Vegetarian thread

sienna said:
my presentation will be in about 3 weeks or something but i'm alredy doing research .. like today i spent 3 hours on the peta site. and what i found out was horrible but it really opened my eyes ..
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i suggest you look elsewhere then just peta ;) the things they show you are the minority of cases. id hazard a guess and say that more companion animals suffer abuse and mistreatment than those in the food industry. does peta harrass pet owners? eta through some research, apparently they do :lol:

peta also isnt innocent, they commit many of the actions they protest again. they chain themselves to animal shelters to protest euthenasia, but when they take in stray animals they put down more than they adopt out. they fire bomb research facilities but the vice president of peta is diabetic and takes insulin. i dont blame her, diabetes is a horrible way to die. but ill leave those issues to the animal testing thread if anyone is interested.

back to animal welfare, you should look at peer reviewed scientific publications. those papers are put up against high levels of scrutiny and you will get facts free of bias and propaganda. unlike the info you get from peta
 
If you really want to live without a bad conscience, you should eat only what you grow yourself and make your own clothes etc, because almost everything in this world is made at the expense of someone else. There's no end to it, you might as well eat meat..
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that's not what i mean ... i just think that animals are beings they live on this world just like we do and i don't think that we have the right to kill torture and eat them!!

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Those vids and pics that PETA has on their site... I just try to point out that those are in US. It doesn't mean every country is like that and I'd tell everyone to do research about conditions in your own country and then buy your country's meat, because you know how it's handled.
At least here in Finland we have very different and very strict rules. To slaughterhouses and farmers.

Lauw, you are right about that. Everything is made at the expensove of someone else.

I'd so hate "OMG! I stop eating meat coz those american cows are treated so badly"
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acutally i wasn't on the american peta site i was on the german one. and we in austria get a lot of german products. i'm not sure but i think that we have a very good market for milk products because they usually come from our country often from small farms. but if you go into the supermarket you can see that they sell the meat from all around europe and you can never be sure what's up with that stuff!!


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back to animal welfare, you should look at peer reviewed scientific publications. those papers are put up against high levels of scrutiny and you will get facts free of bias and propaganda. unlike the info you get from peta
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thank you for the information ! i'll look that up! i'm really just starting my research and i was not planning to base my presentation what i find on the peta :)
 
that's not what i mean ... i just think that animals are beings they live on this world just like we do and i don't think that we have the right to kill torture and eat them!!
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Not the right to eat them? We've been doing it for hundreds, thousands of years! It's called nature's way.

I don't know if you ever watch something like Animal Planet, but animals are cruel too. I was watching a docu on cheeta's the other day; a cheeta mom was teaching her kids to hunt. You know what she did? She chased an impala baby, broke his leg and let her kids finish the job. I bet he was still alive when they started to eat.
 
Not the right to eat them? We've been doing it for hundreds, thousands of years! It's called nature's way.
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yap i know .. i thought about that too .. why should we stop now we did it all the time and humans are omnivores ... i'm really searching for an answer for that!! and especially for my presentation i have to look at pros and cons ;)

I don't know if you ever watch something like Animal Planet, but animals are cruel too. I was watching a docu on cheeta's the other day; a cheeta mom was teaching her kids to hunt. You know what she did? She chased an impala baby, broke his leg and let her kids finish the job. I bet he was still alive when they started to eat.
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yeah but animals have to do that to survive!! they can't go to a restaurant and order an vegetable plate or something ...
 
sienna said:

i'm not sure but i think that we have a very good market for milk products because they usually come from our country often from small farms. but if you go into the supermarket you can see that they sell the meat from all around europe and you can never be sure what's up with that stuff!!
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Yeah - that's why I always read the packages where the stuff is produced. For example I don't buy or eat Euroshopper cheese because it's Danish. Lidl for example sells stuff with their own brands but there are products that I know are Finnish. My fave cheese is made by company that Arla (Swedish giant milk products company) bought and now I've been thinking should I switch to other cheese. It's still made in Finland but sold to Swedes.

Rainbow and Pirkka are here two other productfamilies that you need to read where those are made in.
 
Lauw said:

Not the right to eat them? We've been doing it for hundreds, thousands of years! It's called nature's way.
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try millions ;) not Homo sapiens (because weve only exist for about 200 000 years), but our ancestors made the switch about 4 million years ago. the protein in meat they scavanged allowed them to survive while other bipedal apes perished, their brains grew larger and they became smarter.
 
Okay, somedays I think I might go attack my roommate. I was sitting there eating something, and she started telling me all these stories some guy told her about meat and animals and it actually made me not eat for like, 6 hours. And now I cannot eat meat, so I decided I'm gonna attempt to not eat meat for a whole month, and if I can do it without like craving meat I might stick with it, but if I'm like constantly wanting meat I won't. I'm actually kinda curious to find out how this is going to turn out.
 
allmaple said:
Lauw said:

Not the right to eat them? We've been doing it for hundreds, thousands of years! It's called nature's way.
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try millions ;) not Homo sapiens (because weve only exist for about 200 000 years), but our ancestors made the switch about 4 million years ago. the protein in meat they scavanged allowed them to survive while other bipedal apes perished, their brains grew larger and they became smarter.
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And today we don't need meat to survive. It's not a matter of survival for us anymore. There's allot of other types of food we can eat.
 
whats your point? i dont need to eat rice or red peppers to live, but i enjoy it. i just pointed out were here because we became omnivores, but i dont eat meat because i think i wont survive if i dont. i like it and it is good for you, but you can be healthy without it too.
 
Lauw said:
I don't know if you ever watch something like Animal Planet, but animals are cruel too. I was watching a docu on cheeta's the other day; a cheeta mom was teaching her kids to hunt. You know what she did? She chased an impala baby, broke his leg and let her kids finish the job. I bet he was still alive when they started to eat.
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Like sienna said, it's the way animals live in the wild. Millions of years ago we did the same thing, but we are smarter than animals and have a civilized (for the most part ;)) society with order and rules. We go to restaurants and choose what we eat. You can order a vegetarian platter. Animals have to eat other animals because plants in the wild aren't enough for them. We don't live in the wild. We have a choice.

Health issues have been a topic of discussion here and the products vegetarians can eat all have significant amounts of protein and drastic differences in the amount of fat. Soy products and tofu are loaded with protein, so there's another source of protein. That was a big issue for my family when I chose to become a vegetarian because they were afraid I wasn't going to get enough protein. I still get the protein I need, just from different sources.
 
Millions of years ago we were strictly vegetarians, eating mainly root vegetables and berries. Only by expanding our diet to meat did we survive, physically change to our modern appearance, and increase our IQ.

By 'our' and 'we' I mean the Homo Habilis, thought to be our earliest ancestors.
 
Okay, let me get this straight: You say we shouldn't eat meat because there are other ways to get the same proteins and stuff. We don't have to eat it to survive, right?

Well, shouldn't we all just stop eating chocolate, cookies, chips and drinking soda and beer and whatever, because we don't need it?
 
Well, shouldn't we all just stop eating chocolate, cookies, chips and drinking soda and beer and whatever, because we don't need it?
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well .. actually exactly those things you named are those things we shouldn't eat because they are not very healthy ... i mean i eat them too but i try not to ... not good for my figure either ...
 
^But I think there was talk about stuff we shouldn't eat because we can live without it ;)
 
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