"Unleashed" Discussion **SPOILERS**

Well there's always DVR or Hulu, catch up later. (I need to learn that with Bones)

If you mean 'got' as in slept with, we still don't know if she did or not.

I do know how it is to get turned off by a storyline...I couldn't take a Bones one this season and never watched it...but CSI being against it didn't help.

I don't stop watching easily though...I think with CSI it'd have to be something like another Hollywood Brass, with most of the main charries gone. Brass is cool but without the rest of the cast, I couldn't go for it.

I'm watching tonight though.
 
ladyhunter said:
*shakes head*

Is it me. Am I the only one who it tired, just plain tired of hearing how witchy and underhanded Heather is?

She's a sex therapist, yes they do exist. She also 'got Grissom'. Does that make her a bad person? NO! Does that make her a home wrecker, a cunning, evil doer? NO!

Then why oh why that every time she's on CSI they (whoever writes the tag lines) describes her as a sorcerer who is going to cast a spell over everyone and she does this because of some deep seeded hatred or rejection by Grissom. And that Sara, is good, pure and 'the only one' Grissom ever loved so there for Heather must be a witch, a whore, a slut or whatever else because she's not with him??? :confused:

I know I'm not alone here when I say this. Heather is not the 'bad one' or 'the evil' one. So why are people making her out to be?

At first I was torn, not really sure about how this episode would play out. Especially without Catherine. But then I saw the trailer and thought, perhaps it won't be so bad. Sara and Heather having verbal jabs at each other was sort of entertaining.

But now, after reading that blurb about how she 'cast a spell' over Langston... blah blah blah... I'm going to watch Nikita instead.

So whoever wrote that must really hate Lady Heather and all that she was and is now, or they want viewers to pity Sara, or whatever.

Let's just say, I'm so turned off right now, I'm not watching.
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Interesting. I didn't get that impression at all. In fact, as a Sara fan, I've always resented the fact that they portray LH as so insightful, and the only one who 'gets' Grissom, and the only one who apparently has 'sexual' chemistry with Grissom, as if that would make for a meaningful relationship. (Personally, I think LH/Melinda could have sexual chemistry with anyone. Just leave Grissom alone. :)) And, now she apparently is a gene specialist, as well. :rolleyes: To me tptb invent ways of inflating her character to be all-knowing and important, almost similar to what they have done with Ray. Sorry, but that's how I see it.
From this blurb it sounds like the Sara/LH tension will be at a minimum, which I'm happy about. I think Sara's misgivings about Heather have more to do with her own personal experience with violence and LH's past ventures, than Heather's relationship with Grissom. And I'm glad there apparently is a mutual respect for their current professions.
Tag lines and promos are meant to stir up tension and controversy. I will always reserve judgement til I see it. And this sounds like more of a Ray episode anyway, although, I admit I'm looking forward to the 'B' storyline with Doc and Nick as well.
 
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I actually agree about Lady Heather in that I've never taken her to be cunning or out to "get" anyone. She is who she is, and Grissom was intrigued with her. Very understandable. They shared a connection.

In all of the episodes she's been in, I saw her as pretty much removed from anything else that was going on except for Grissom. I believe that Sara saw her as a threat...probably still does judging from her tone in the promo. But I think LH is pretty indifferent to it all. Just my opinion.

And while I'm of course going to watch the rest of the season, unless they really surprise me I have a feeling the episodes won't be worth watching a second time for me. I just cannot stand the Ray/Haskell plot and couldn't care less about what happens there.
 
Not that I don't think that all the taglines and promos aren't to rile us up, because I know that's true. It's to get people to watch, etc..

I guess I'm just most upset at that TV line blurb, how they use words like 'wiling ways', 'ulterior motives' and 'cast a spell.' That irks me the most.

The writers took Lady Heather, a very strong, powerful, self assured woman who Grissom had TONS and TONS of chemistry with and turned her into something else. A witch, a person with ulterior motives. Sad really. That in our society, a woman who is strong, capable, has strong self esteem has to be reduced to a witch. That's all.

I know Anthony Zuiker wrote this episode. I'm hoping that he does Lady Heather justice and what TV line wrote about her is completely off base. Especially the tension between her and Sara. It was entertaining at first, but it's completely uncalled for.
 
To me on LH vs Grissom, I think he was intrigued by her different life-style as a novelty or a side-show he'd never met. But seeing how she lived with the whips and chains, I think in the long run turned him off. They were so opposite, and had nothing in common him in his baggy thrift store like clothing and her in her gothic, black attire and her tons of makeup. And on her intelligence, Sara is also intelligent, and they were more suited, and had everything in common both work-alcoholics. Can you see Heather on her hands and kees examing dead bodies or bugs? Or them going out,:lol: it would look like they were going to a Halloween party. And on the character Lady Heather, while some might find her low voice erotic or sensual, I always found it to be flat and monotone and boring. If someone I knew talked like that, I'd say "knock it off, talk normal":scream: To each ones own on what they find attractive about a CSI character and what they don't. I'm interested to see Ray and Sara work together in this episode. Also Nick and Doc, delivering a baby. And on the "cunning" remark it means deceptive, and she was. Having a daughter and grandaughter, we knew nothing about till the daughter was found dead, and then find out she had a grandchild. That's what I meant by she can't con Ray:thumbsup:
 
And on the "cunning" remark it means deceptive, and she was. Having a daughter and grandaughter, we knew nothing about till the daughter was found dead, and then find out she had a grandchild. That's what I meant by she can't con Ray:thumbsup:
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You just proved my point there. Why would she con Ray? Again, something the writers think she is, a con woman. She's not. She's a therapist.

I'm still not understanding why you think she would con him in the first place.
And tell me, what does her child and grandchild have to do with Ray? And from what I understand, he came to her. Or came back to her.
 
Desertwind said:
To me on LH vs Grissom, I think he was intrigued by her different life-style as a novelty or a side-show he'd never met. But seeing how she lived with the whips and chains, I think in the long run turned him off. They were so opposite, and had nothing in common him in his baggy thrift store like clothing and her in her gothic, black attire and her tons of makeup. And on her intelligence, Sara is also intelligent, and they were more suited, and had everything in common both work-alcoholics. Can you see Heather on her hands and kees examing dead bodies or bugs? Or them going out,:lol: it would look like they were going to a Halloween party. And on the character Lady Heather, while some might find her low voice erotic or sensual, I always found it to be flat and monotone and boring. If someone I knew talked like that, I'd say "knock it off, talk normal":scream: To each ones own on what they find attractive about a CSI character and what they don't. I'm interested to see Ray and Sara work together in this episode. Also Nick and Doc, delivering a baby. And on the "cunning" remark it means deceptive, and she was. Having a daughter and grandaughter, we knew nothing about till the daughter was found dead, and then find out she had a grandchild. That's what I meant by she can't con Ray:thumbsup:
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We knew Lady Heather had a daughter the first time she appeared. :wtf: Catherine asked her about Zoe. Zoe was going to Harvard, I believe. One of those Ivy League schools.

And Grissom was not turned off by Lady Heather's profession and he was attracted to her. If he so turned off by her, why did he remain friends with her and care about her so much? And they don't have to have everything in common to be a couple. Now that would be truly boring in a relationship. :rolleyes:

And I do believe they did the 'nasty'.

In the one scene they had together they really got into each other's personal space and..

Grissom: You could always say, stop.
LH: So could you.

Hmmm, neither of them said stop, so....
 
Only a few more hours and we'll have the answers to all of our questions! :lol: But I just want to see the other case about the suicide and cyber-bullying. I get the feeling that since it's not getting all of the hoopla press over it that it will be quiet and understated but effective. I hope so. Doc and Nick! :adore:
 
Yes but WP said they didn't...isn't that kinda definitive?

Where's the 'cast a spell' part? I only saw the part about Ray not being accepting of her advice.
 
Smokey said:
But I just want to see the other case about the suicide and cyber-bullying. I get the feeling that since it's not getting all of the hoopla press over it that it will be quiet and understated but effective
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I agree. This may turn out to be the most poignant story of the episode.
 
I always thought of Lady Heather as a female Grissom.

Here are two people who were able to look past the what the human eye sees (e.g. dominatrix and people who dress as animals) and look at the underlying interactions, what drives these people to do the things they do.

Lady Heather wasn't a Dominatrix because she had a sadomasachistic streak or perversity, she was keenly aware of the nature of human interaction and used that knowledge to become a successful businesswoman and eventually doctor.

With regards to her and Grissom, they both had a keen understanding of each other, Lady Heather didn't need to chase Grissom as she instinctly knew when to be there and when to take a step back.

As for Ray and LH, it's not a massive stretch of the imagination for a previous dominatrix in a world of controlled violent acts to have an interest in Monoamine Oxidase, i've studied MAO-A and tendencies towards antisocial behaviour and i'm not a CSI nor Dominatrix!

I doubt there'll be much tension between Sara and LH as Sara's alot less insecure and defensive nowadays.
 
MacsGirlMel said:
Yes but WP said they didn't...isn't that kinda definitive?

Where's the 'cast a spell' part? I only saw the part about Ray not being accepting of her advice.
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Billy Petersen never said they didn't sleep together. In fact, he said he prefers to leave it up to viewer interpretation. He liked the mystique of the storyline.
 
Well I find that a woman who runs a bordello, where girls are murdered and has people who whip other people into submission, by tying them up and beating them with chains, not the brightest tool in the box. That just comes across as seedy and sleazy. And then goes from that to a "sex-thearpist":vulcan: as our writer in the enterainment section said "only on TV". Now Grissom was intelligent, but a nerd in the romantic department. And as the writers showed, they didn't have contact for like 4-5 years. Friends stay in touch more often then that, I would think. And on fooling or conning someone, Brass wasn't either as the last words he said to her in "TGTBATD" were "get some help", as she sat there in her western garb:rolleyes: So maybe she does need some help. I've never in my life heard of someone who needed a "sex thearpist".
 
Desertwind said:
Well I find that a woman who runs a bordello, where girls are murdered and has people who whip other people into submission, by tying them up and beating them with chains, not the brightest tool in the box.
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On the contrary, I think she was very intelligent and successful.

Desertwind said:
I've never in my life heard of someone who needed a "sex thearpist".
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Oh my gosh...really?? There are a LOT of people who need one for a lot of different reasons. It's not necessarily just for people with fetishes or any other extreme examples. Individuals and couples alike go to them for help. Perfectly normal and common.
 
Count me in as another Heather fan and this while being 100% pro Grissom and Sara.

To me she is one of the most intriguing, multi faceted characters on Tv. I admire her self confidence, honesty and how unapologetic she is about her choices, her quietness, intuition and how non judgmental she is. In fact, very much like Grissom.

I too believe she and Grissom slept together way back. In fact I believe that is how Grissom arrived at his views on 'sex without love making you sad'. I don't see what the big deal is, considering it happened long before he and Sara became a couple. Plus, wasn't Sara involved with some guy for an entire season?

I am quietly confident that tonight's episode is going to be great and hopefully surprise a lot of people in a positive way.
 
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