The Great Ship Debate - CSI:Crime Scene Investigation

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Isn't that sort of what debating is about. For example, when you explain why you like GSR...and argue your point your trying to get others to see what you are seeing by validating each and every single point. I don't think your trying to force others to like your ship...but validating it a normal thing.
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Well, in reality, I think my point of view has always been about proving what should be there - in terms of the years of flirtation that Grissom and Sara had, and that tug-of-war of emotions, but in the end you cannot ask someone to see chemistry, if that makes sense.

In other words, you can look at a scene, and argue what was supposed to be interpreted from it, but I don't know that you can then say, "And through this, I have proven that they are hot together" lol.

I see the argument for The Love, but mostly because I think the two are adorable. I don't think anything will ever happen, but the two guys have a weirdly good chemistry that I think is what has so many people raising an eyebrow.
 
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In other words, you can look at a scene, and argue what was supposed to be interpreted from it, but I don't know that you can then say, "And through this, I have proven that they are hot together" lol.
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Oh sure you can! It's all what you preceive in a scene. The way the actors and actresses react to one another...can show a lot. If that wasn't the case...why all the hoopla before GSR became canon? Seriously, people can preceive so much from a look, a flirting glance, and the way they talk to someone.

Personally, I think we have an extremely talented cast that could probably pull off chemistry with most of the staff. Well...I think its apparent that MH can! She's a brillant actress and plays Catherine beautifully. The show would actually be lost without her. Amongst the others. George Eads rocks.

What are people thinking about the 'new' Wendy and Hodges ship? Too much pairing on the shows, should they be sticking to the lives of the main characters, or is it the best thing ever?
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I like the NEW Wendy and Hodges ship. I like the attitude and the banter they shared in Lab Rates.
 
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Waiting I'd love to hear more reasons you think Nick and Cath have a spark, lol, cuz those 2 scenes you mentioned I just don't see it. The dance I saw as just two coworkers unwinding after a long day, and Cath told him to go dance with another girl afterwards, if they had a thing going, I would think they would want to be around each other still. And the redrum thing... I think Nick is an honest person (he's from Texas after all, lol) and gets offended at people trying to deceive him. He expects honesty because he gives it, and THAT'S why he got so upset.

I see more sparks between Cath and Warrick, and I she even said she likes him, more than once. I just don't think she's going to suddenly switch to Nick just because he got married...

*chooses not to argue GSR*

Did someone mention Wedges?!?! WOOHOO!

I am so on for that ship I swear, if TPTB don't do something about it after all the stuff between them in Lab Rats I'm going on strike. Those two are perfect for each other. She keeps him in line, and he... well... he's cool. Not so anal around her at least :rolleyes:

(besides, if Wendy's with Hodges, it will keep her paws off Nicky's Greggo :devil:)
 
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My opinion, I don't see no spark between Catherine and Warrick. I remember watching one day at the beginning. Catherine seem to like Nick better then Warrick. I remember she doesn't like Warrick much then she does with Nick then later season on, she like Warrick when he don't act like Macho all the times.

Nick flirt with Sara and Catherine the whole season, he didn't flirt with Greg. Greg flirt with Sara and the other women in the lab, so they are not men lover.
 
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I believe in chemistry. I believe Grissom and Sara have chemistry. To me, it's not about "Well, the ship is canon, so now I ship it" Ever since I began watching CSI: I always had the feeling in my mind, my stomach, when I would watch the show - you see the flirtation between to the two and to me it screamed "Look - we have a thing.. Wether it is visible to the eye, wether or not others can see it, and wether or not everyone agrees with it. We do have feelings - and it's a matter of how we can play it out"

You don't just watch a show, and say "Well look, Catherine and Nick teased each other - so I must ship them". I didn't begin shipping CatNip until BTK - to be honest. It's when you see the sparks flying that you know the ship has a chance of becoming canon.

We all saw Catherine upset by Warrick's marriage - she had feelings for him. I can't deny that - but I have hope that someday CatNip will become canon - because I believe they are a very, very great couple.

I will always believe Grissom and LH slept together - even if WP says they didn't. I do think Grissom was experimenting a new means of relationships. Perhaps he had never been dominated - and sex to him was all about love. Slow, romantic, and natural. When you get whips and wax involved it's a whole other story - that I think he witnesed. Maybe it made him sad - that he could be attracted to such a beautiful woman, but would never be able to have the romantic relationship he wants. Attraction, but no chemistry IMO.

Wedges? I think they'd be a neat ship - wouldn't want them canonized though. After seeing their flirtation, I think it's cute. But I could care less if they do become canon (I do ship them, but.. Meh)
 
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Go back to the first seasons of ER and you can see perfect chemistry

I ship GSR (and maybe a bit Sandle as well ) but i think no ship on CSI will topple Doug and Carol as my favourite ship ever. They have chemistry , sure, just not as much as George Clooney and Julianna Margulies had
 
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I think chemistry is up to the person viewing to decide. It's like a favorite color, some people like seeing red more than blue... it's all about perception and everyone is different, they see things differently. That's why, though I'm up for a good debate, I don't expect to sway anyone's opinion, just like I don't expect my views to change. Many people are set in the fact that Nick and Greg aren't gay, I see it differently *shrugs*

umm...
*chooses again not to debate GSR...*
 
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OK, Greg and Nick. how do you explain his crush on Sara, and when Cath said to him "looking at my butt again Greg"? and how taken he was with that girl that quit, the bet between Nick and Warrick.. and the older actress in "Kiss Kiss Bye Bye" not romantically but in admiration, and Nick so concerned about all girls.. wherever.. he's always flirty with girls.. which is so sweet!!I would never in a million years had thought this until I read it here.. I see Warrick and Nick as the best buddies, and their working relationship beyond reproach.. their so in tune while working on a case.. as friends/co-workers! I see NIck and Greg as two totally straight guys looking for the right girl ;)
 
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The only one I really see is the crush on Sara. The bet between Nick and Greg was how long the girl would stay, not anything to do with Greg liking her, Cath was talking about a cigarette butt in that scene, and the older actress in KKBB... the fact that he looks up to her makes him more gay IMO. And Greg has always flirted with EVERYONE in the lab, guys included, the only ones who have flirted back have been Cath and Nick, Sara sometimes just screwing with his emotions. Thats another reason I think he went gay, because he was sick of going after Sara and her acting like "maybe, maybe, maybe" then just ripping his heart out again and again. Nicky would never do that. IMO I think Nick has always been at least bi, and he was the instigator in the relationship. Greg just finally gave up on girls and Nicky convinced him to try something new, and Greg is pretty open minded, he knew he liked Nick and he trusted him, and they've been dating ever since.
 
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Be careful not to confuse fact with fiction, gregslabmouse. As much as I wish Greg and Nick are dating, until I see rock solid evidence it's pure fanon.

Catherine was indeed talking about 'her butt' with Greg in that episode, and both Nick and Greg are ladies men. Having said that, they do have the best chemistry on screen. Sara and Nick have been flirting since Sara came to Vegas, and Sara began flirting back with Greg in season 5. Greg flirts with everyone, and Nick flirts with certain people.

But the most flirting both these guys do is with each other. Note how recently Greg was again talking about his past sex life... and he was saying it to Nick. There are a lot of beautiful moments between these two over the years, including the more recent silent communication in "Empty Eyes" and the wink in "Redrum", and because of this I'm more inclined to believe that something could be have or has been going on between these two. But again, I need rock hard evidence before I'll come out and say 'definitely dating'. At the moment it's just a 'might be dating'.
 
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:lol: sorry Clarrisani. I was just going on about my theory that they've been dating since right after GD, and I know there's no proof of it, it's just my opinion. And I know they ended up talking about her butt, but he was initially talking about a cigarette butt he was examining, and she turned it into a joke, but the fact was, he wasn't ACTUALLY checking out her butt, though it did end up in flirtation. lol, it's a confusing scene to describe :lol:

Also, Sara was flirting back with Greg way back in Organ Grinder in season... was it 2? In other eppys too that I just can't think of right now. The point was that IMO she was giving him false hope when she only had eyes for Grissom.
 
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Actually, I do believe Sara does have a hidden thing for Greg. My favourite het pairing is Sandle because of the chemistry between Greg and Sara, which probably stems from Eric and Jorja being best friends in real life. The reason Sara and Greg worked together so much in season 5 is because TPTB knew about the chemistry and subtle flirtation. There is more chemistry between Sara and Greg than there is Sara and Grissom, and GSR is canon.

Greg is just more obvious with his flirtation than Sara, that's all. The scene I'm thinking of is "Down the Drain" when Sara sits down opposite Greg and makes the virginity comment. Her body language, gaze and voice were pure seductress in that scene.

I do believe that Sara does, in fact, have a thing for Greg. However, due to her longstanding crush on Grisson, when he finally opened up and let her in she took the chance. But we have had scenes like in "Fannysmackin'" where she came to the scene solely to be there for Greg. And later on she actually defends Greg against Grissom.

I don't think she's giving him false hope at all. She does like him. She just likes Grissom more. And had Grissom not opened up, we could have had a canon Greg/Sara pairing right now.

Of course, I am glad Sara is with Grissom... leaves Greg for Nick. ;)
 
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^^ oh yeah, that scene, lol.
Sandle was my original OTP on the show, and I shipped it until around... season 4? When I started shipping The Love (My OCD won't allow me to ship conflicting pairs :lol:) I always saw and loved the flirtation between the two and they really are cute together, but I personally believe, that rather Sara had a real thing for Greg or not, she never would have given him a chance. *shrugs* I would rather see her with Greg than Grissom, but, they make each other happy, I can't be mad at that. And Greg really belongs with Nick :D
 
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Amen to that. Greg being with Nick.

I'm capable of being able to follow more than one ship. In fact, I could probably argue the pros and cons of every single CSI ship you can think of. They all have them. And every one of them is good in their own way, simply that some of them are stronger than others.

In terms of on screen chemistry, Nick and Greg top the list. The guys are just comfortable with each other, and the way they flirt and touch and look at each other is what makes them not only the largest CSI Slash ship, but on of the largest slash ships ever (right up there with Spike/Angel).

Secondly with the chemistry is Greg/Sara. These two just seem to connect on screen, and all the signs of flirtation and attractoin are there. They just go together so well.

Nextly, Catherine and Warrick. Not just because their flirtation is obvious, but the fact it is done so well and they just seem so comfortable around each other. If another ship goes canon, I'd put money on the fact YoBling! is next.

After that, Brass/Sofia. I've been rewatching season 5 and these two hit it off from Formalities. They just have this back and forth thing and chemistry that leads to some great sexual tension. After Nick/Greg, I think these two are the ones I'm more inclined to believe are doing each other when they go home from work.

Like I said, I can argue any pairing, but those are my strongest chemistry. Mind you, I'm not talking obvious scenes here. Just chemistry.
 
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Only one man think Sara and Greg has chemistry is Josh Berman, other like Carol M. David Rambo, Shanku or something are GSR and Sarah Goldfinger are both GSR and Snickers, but she does write good story about her.

O/T I remember one interview, not too long ago, when Billy and Jorja was talking to the guy whoever he is and he ask her, who she want to work with more, when Grissom leave (LLV? and She said, "George Eads."

I know Jorja and Eric are best friends, so it George but she real close to George Eads. George and Jorja were best friends before they came on CSI.

Back on Topic, Sara is not that interested in Greg and she never will. She alway want Grissom and she already gave her heart to Grissom (Not showing on TV.) We all know that. She flirt with Greg to make Grissom's jealous (4x4) when she told Greg, she saw everything. She only said that, because Grissom was standing there when she said it, she does it to make Grissom jealous and it work. Grissom don't want any men near Sara and Sara doesn't want any women near Grissom.

If you think Greg and Nick has chemistry, that's fine. My opinion, Nick is not. I got to be honest with Greg. Greg sometime does act like gay, but he isn't. Well Gay people do flirt with women and men and doesn't mean they interest in them.

Nick has more chemistry with Sara, Catherine and Grissom. I like him with Grissom (No slash.) just father and son figure. I don't know why I like those two men.
 
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