Speedystokesgirl
Judge
The same could be said about all of you too! I've read all of your arguments a thousand times too.
Yeah, so funny!
Still Missing Grissom?
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The same could be said about all of you too! I've read all of your arguments a thousand times too.
Yeah, so funny!
Desertwind
Head of the Day Shift
I had a Time Warner guy come in to fix a technical problem, [everythings OK] and I have a hugh collage of Billy/Grissom by by PC, and he goes "HMMM Grissom, the show is not the same without him, that's for sure" I go "Do you like LF"? he goes He's ok, but nobody will ever replace Grissom" Now this is no fan site guy, just a CSI viewer, so the 'man on the street' so to speak, I don't also think that anyone loses their integrity by falling in love, and she left because of this turmoil, so as not to drag him down.. and he was miserable and sad and broken-hearted, without her, so he left. What I always admired about his character, is how private and discreet he was, [they were] and kept this under the radar, it wasn't tawdry he and she, and they didn't blab it to the whole world. Classy to me. And who hasn't done something in the work place that would be subject to controversary? He never said he was perfect. As he said to Greg when asked what got his juices going someone who doesn't judge me The thread is "will we miss Grissom" YES INDEED
What I always admired about his character, is how private and discreet he was, [they were] and kept this under the radar, it wasn't tawdry he and she, and they didn't blab it to the whole world. Classy to me. And who hasn't done something in the work place that would be subject to controversary? He never said he was perfect. As he said to Greg when asked what got his juices going someone who doesn't judge me The thread is "will we miss Grissom" YES INDEED
Speedystokesgirl
Judge
I'll agree with you on that! We do just go round and round and no one's opinion is going to change.
I guess we have to go with that 'agree to disagree' adage. No matter how hard it is for us to do that and it has been hard! :lol:
Hadapurpura
Witness
Hee hee! Indeed!
But Grissom's a criminalist, not a clairvoyant.
No, it makes him a person who evolves, learns and changes his point of view about life. Hypocrite would be if he criticized the others at the same time as he had the relationship with Sara, but it wasn't like that. He used to critizise them, but after he and Sara got together he didn't critizise them anymore so, not a hypocrite.
Obviously Ecklie would have fired both of them right away if they had tried to do the "right thing" and informed him about the situation, since he's held a grudge against Grissom and had previously tried to apply a similar disproportionate punishment to Sara. The only reason he made one of them change shifts instead of firing them is because the relationship was outed via Sara being an already "famous" serial killer's victim/survivor/media sweetheart, so firing them would have taken a toll on his public image, and that's the last thing he'd want for his career.
It didn't put the team in danger, and ultimately it wouldn't have caused cases to be thrown out. Why would it? As long as neither of them has a personal interest in any of the cases they work, they can do it like rabbits on their free time and everything's OK. Now, if one of them had slept with a witness, suspect or victim, that'd be a whole different story.
Yes, it is about what makes them happy.
Once again, different seasons, different circumstances, apples vs. oranges.
Funny that you say this, since Sara's the only member of the cast who never got away with anything. Yes, he sometimes defended her, not so she would get away with anything, but so she wouldn't get a disproportionate punishment according to her fault. Not only he never showed favoritism towards her (remember promotion-gate? that time when he recommended Nick for the promotion just because he said he didn't want to be Grissom 2.0. anymore, even though he had positively proven that same season that he wasn't ready for a promotion at all at the time?), he sometimes right on mistreated her, like in Season 3. Hard on Catherine? :guffaw::guffaw::guffaw:now tell me one about cowboys.
Except the main thing people who complain about GSR try to say is that they shouldn't have gotten together in the first place, their hapiness and lives be damned, because of the lab rules (and because it would be such a dishonour to the character of Grissom not to end up condemned to die old and alone in his townhouse, surrounded only by his bugs, but that's another point). When looked at closely, that's a very petty argument, to say the least. Yes, it ws the "crap we got caught and now we have to do this" thing, but then again, Ecklie.
Again, it didn't cause trouble with the team, it only caused trouble with Ecklie because of the formalism, and it didn't interfere with their objectiveness regarding the cases. It's not like they had blown up the lab, or gone to work on drugs, or tampered with evidence to find relatives, or told information to a stranger about an ongoing case, or... you get my drift.
And it's because he knew better that he didn't tell Ecklie. He's politically inept, not stupid.
P.S.: Aaaand back on topic, according to the printed version of TvGuide, the answer to the question on this thread is apparently yes.
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Or I shut/lock a perfectly good thread down because people forgot where SC was located! Memo to both sides of this arguement, this thread is NOT about GSR! I suggest a refresher course of reading the first post of this thread. Everyone knows if a respectful debate can take place occassional mention for a point being made is one thing, but that isn't happening here, it is taking this thread completely off topic and it has gone far enough! Like those of you "for" and "not for" I am sick of the arguing so solution knock it off! I let it go hoping you all would get back on topic and that didn't happen so now I am stepping in and putting it there, and one last time stick to the reason the thread is here please, is that too much to ask? *Sigh*
EricaSJ
Judge
Wow. And I thought that article was written by someone at EW. lol. Anyway, what he wrote was his opinion, but Shane was asking for our opinions when he opened this thread. So I don't see the point in emphasizing what the author of the article said.
I'm with those who say they have been missing Grissom for years. I miss him, too, but the Grissom I miss is the Grissom back in the old days, from season 1 to early season 5. To me, everything changed after the team was forced to split, and the show never recovered from the damage even though they were back together in season 6. In fact, some things happened later made it even worse. Everything went further downhills until he finally left the lab.
If we're talking about the Grissom from season 6 to 8, then I'm definitely not missing him one bit.
And again, I think one can miss Grissom and enjoy the current show at the same time.
I'm with those who say they have been missing Grissom for years. I miss him, too, but the Grissom I miss is the Grissom back in the old days, from season 1 to early season 5. To me, everything changed after the team was forced to split, and the show never recovered from the damage even though they were back together in season 6. In fact, some things happened later made it even worse. Everything went further downhills until he finally left the lab.
If we're talking about the Grissom from season 6 to 8, then I'm definitely not missing him one bit.
And again, I think one can miss Grissom and enjoy the current show at the same time.
Speedystokesgirl
Judge
Sorry, Destiny!
You're right it belongs in SC, however those who say anything against a ship or slash get in trouble in there too. So us non-shippers have no place to talk and we can't debate what shippers and slashers say.
I'm sorry for my participation.
Actually at the top of the article Shane asked the following "I came across this article at Entertainment Weekly Online. I'll post the article and see what you all think". - Therefore he was asking a two part question from what I can see, one being what you're opinion of the article is, and two what your opinion is regarding Grissom being gone from the show and how it is today.
RE: Ship discussion mentioned
It stands as I said "Like those of you "for" and "not for" I am sick of the arguing" meaning the same recycled debates, do not belong in here as it is pointed out there is a debate thread in SC for just these type of things, it's one thing to have a healthy respectful discussion on it if it is part of a point, but that wasn't happening here it was just circling and going no where and it wasn't about making a point with regards to the topic of the discussion but rather defensiveness regarding your like or dislike. Defensiveness is not a healthy nor respectful discussion, instead of agreeing to disagree and letting it go, it was starting to fester and all that does is as I said take it too far off topic. If you want to use GSR sparingly as a point in your opinion with regards to Grissoms part on the show that is one thing, but the whole reason for this thread was getting pushed to the back and that as I mentioned recycled arguements were taking center place where it does not belong.
As for other ships discussion/debates again that is what SC is for ship threads and debate thread, those "not for" do not get into trouble anymore then those "for" do, just each see's it as magnified to those who are apart of arguements.
Alrighty I am not about to quote Shanes post, its on page one and its the first post. Lets see if we can scoot this back on topic. Thank you.
myfuturecsi
Corpse
Sorry Destiny, but I have to agree with speedy on this one. We have no place to vent our frustrations over ships and when we want to say something or debate a ship we get slammed big time in Shipper Central or given a 'formal warning'. I'm not blaming anyone, but simply identifying why topics go off from their original points. There needs to be a safe place where people can vent about ships and not get labelled unfairly for saying you don't like a ship.
They had a nice thread in Shipper Central, but someone came on saying because we didn't like a certain ship we were creating a hostile atmophere for a certain group which I won't say but I'm sure those who know me will figure it out.
Not liking a certain ship should not incur a label, but over in that area it does. Anytime someone dishes a ship, you are labelled as a bigot, that's the Great Ship debate DOES NOT WORK. It's not safe.
That's for sure which is why he wasn't a very good supervisor. He was a major hypocrite who thought he could get away with anything he wanted. The rules applied to everyone else, except he and his svengali.
Anyways, I'm sorry for participating in this thread.
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jafox
CSI Level Two
I think this article has 2 distinct questions, and that creates the quandary for tptb. Some viewers are certainly missing Grissom; and then there is the other question of 'are they accepting Langston?'.
I think we can all agree that LF is a good actor. Most of the problems from posters on this board concern his screen time. For me, it's his role. I think they did a disservice to his acting prowess by trying to make him a low profile newbie; yet they have to contracturally, I'm sure, give him good screen time. The writers have no control over this; this was made from the top.
I think a better dynamic would have been to give Wendy the newbie role, and give Langston more of an authoritative role, maybe as lab director. Something that would make him more dynamic, less dull, IMO. He could have come in sparring some with the CSI's, creating some interesting conflict with Catherine, or Nick. I still think they tried to make him too likable.
The showrunners have evidently known for a long time that both JF and WP planned on leaving the show when their contracts were up. It just seems to me that they should have done a better job with planning the new characters. Now they are pretty much stuck with what they started with, and trying to give Ray more authority and move up the CSI ladder quickly just doesn't fit.
I think we can all agree that LF is a good actor. Most of the problems from posters on this board concern his screen time. For me, it's his role. I think they did a disservice to his acting prowess by trying to make him a low profile newbie; yet they have to contracturally, I'm sure, give him good screen time. The writers have no control over this; this was made from the top.
I think a better dynamic would have been to give Wendy the newbie role, and give Langston more of an authoritative role, maybe as lab director. Something that would make him more dynamic, less dull, IMO. He could have come in sparring some with the CSI's, creating some interesting conflict with Catherine, or Nick. I still think they tried to make him too likable.
The showrunners have evidently known for a long time that both JF and WP planned on leaving the show when their contracts were up. It just seems to me that they should have done a better job with planning the new characters. Now they are pretty much stuck with what they started with, and trying to give Ray more authority and move up the CSI ladder quickly just doesn't fit.
myfuturecsi
Corpse
Maybe that's why it seemed (for me at least) easier to see Wendy in the role of a CSI then with Riley and Langston. Wendy came in as a lab rat and kind of warmed us up to her. I'm not bashing Riley or Langston in any way at all, but they seemed to stick out like a sore thumb right now because they were just thrust upon us.
I think the showrunners spent too much time and preparing us to say goodbye to the other characters (although Warrick was meant to be a shock because of his murder), and not giving the audience time to get used to the new ones. The first ten episodes were all about Grissom, and they should have just eased us off him.
Plus, they really haven't spent much time developing characters such as Nick and Greg and still aren't because they are so focussed on Langston. It's very confusing.
I stil think Grissom should have left along time ago, or had they planned to keep Keppler alive, rotated them but nothing can be done now.
Speedy and myfuturecsi you're absolutely right with that... Everywhere you get all kinds of ships showed down your throat and there is no place to get rid of all that crap... that's sad though because I would like to get rid of some things... But I would get a 'formal warning' for even trying to write down what's on my mind. But you need to keep quiet because you'll have certain shippers against you if you open your mouth too wide...
Sorry Destiny but it is like that...
You all want a safe place thats fine, I have looked at the debate thread in SC their rules seem to be no different then if it were to be here. Maybe talk to the mods to update it, or give them some suggestions to expand the rules a bit or add a couple more. If you feel like your getting baited do not respond to it, this is where fights start. If you don't like something fine say so but do so without insult (to the person or their ship), if someone feels insulted or asks you explain something further again do so without insult (this is for both sides of the fence/issue) if you can not agree, then agree to disagree and let it go.
But this thread was never about shipping, Why it took this turn and went on as much as it had is beyond me, I let it go so that you all could get it back on track and it didn't. Therefore I did it, you have a problem with that then pm me. My reminder has no sides, you can be for, not for, or both when it comes to shipping, I don't care, the arguing does NOT belong in this thread. What I care about is that this thread gets back on topic!
Now I am done with this in here as I said I am trying to put this back on topic, anything further can be pm'd! Thank you.
But this thread was never about shipping, Why it took this turn and went on as much as it had is beyond me, I let it go so that you all could get it back on track and it didn't. Therefore I did it, you have a problem with that then pm me. My reminder has no sides, you can be for, not for, or both when it comes to shipping, I don't care, the arguing does NOT belong in this thread. What I care about is that this thread gets back on topic!
Now I am done with this in here as I said I am trying to put this back on topic, anything further can be pm'd! Thank you.