Still Missing Grissom?

I felt the character Grissom changed and evolved as the show progressed, and how great for this actor. How boring if he stayed the same. He was more exciting from S/4 and on to me, and got better and better and more exciting as his romance came to light. He showed his personal side, instead of the bug man and the DNA expert. He showed a soft, gentle, romantic side. One of his best performances for sure, was "For Warrick " the eulogy, a real tear jerker, and his last hurrah "One To Go" leaving his team mates to go be where he wanted to be, to pursue his second half of his life~ but although he's a happy contented guy, I miss him every episode:( I will be estactic when he "guests'" back on the show:thumbsup:
 
mao. nice try to troll me into it.

imo, Nick changed probably the least out of all characters on CSI, maybe except Catherine. i think Greg showed the biggest improvement, with Sara close behind. she was very needy in the first 2 or 3 seasons (super-obvious in Crash and Burn) and started to mature and get a distance to the job and pursuing love interests. but Grissom changed too, and i think his heart won the battle with his brain in the end.
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Not trying to troll you, toots, just disagreeing with you and using a real example to back my theory. It just happened to not show Sara in a positive light. People have a right to express an opinion as well as disagree to one.

I do miss Grissom, but if he had to come back and bring the drama of his relationship with him, I don't want him back. I'd like him to come back and simply be Grissom.
 
I posted this earlier on the wrong thread, and Destiny feel free to delete it, on the other thread.. I tried without success, and of course fans we're quick to correct my lame brain.. so here it is in the right place:thumbsup:

From the new TV Gude May 11-17 from a reader~

CSI CARAMBA!
When William Petersen left CSI, did he take the writers with him? We can't recognize the show anymore! Filler scenes in a wrestling venue, Taylor Swift and a really poor Star Trek takeoff, aren't what the show used to be. Bring back Catherine, drop the bland blond [Riley] and go back to crime stories~
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Tom River, N.J.

I do agree somewhat~
 
Not trying to troll you, toots, just disagreeing with you and using a real example to back my theory. It just happened to not show Sara in a positive light. People have a right to express an opinion as well as disagree to one.
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it just so happens that i don't practice discussions on such level. and please, do not call me that.

I felt the character Grissom changed and evolved as the show progressed, and how great for this actor. How boring if he stayed the same. He was more exciting from S/4 and on to me, and got better and better and more exciting as his romance came to light. He showed his personal side, instead of the bug man and the DNA expert. He showed a soft, gentle, romantic side. One of his best performances for sure, was "For Warrick " the eulogy, a real tear jerker, and his last hurrah "One To Go" leaving his team mates to go be where he wanted to be, to pursue his second half of his life~ but although he's a happy contented guy, I miss him every episode I will be estactic when he "guests'" back on the show
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yeah, i mostly agree with you. though, i think he was a little more vigorous when it came to science, experiments etc. in the early seasons but it was fascinating to watch his private life unravel, at least the little bit that we've seen.
 
I have always felt that Sara and Nick were very much alike. Both were kind of immature and needy in the first few seasons; then both evolved into strong individuals. They both allowed their work to affect them and they have both had their fair share of crying scenes. The difference, ultimately, is that Sara's past caught up with her, along with burn out, and this caused her to quit. I can see it happening to Nick someday. He's sensitive, and probably a romantic. If he meets someone and starts a family, he will probably want a safer and less morbid job.

To try to stay on topic, I will add that I bet Nick misses Sara and Warrick more than Grissom. He doesn't need Grissom as a boss anymore, but friends are always needed. And regardless of what some on this board bring up from the past, Nick and Sara became very good friends. That's why I have always said that it's not just about missing Grissom, but more about losing all 3 characters, essentially half of the original regular cast.
We know that Jorja and Billy both wanted to leave, but I often wish they would have kept Gary on despite his alleged problems, at least for one more season. I would have liked to see him and Ray interact.
 
I have always felt that Sara and Nick were very much alike. Both were kind of immature and needy in the first few seasons; then both evolved into strong individuals. They both allowed their work to affect them and they have both had their fair share of crying scenes.
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Agreed. You have a good point there.

But my concern is all this Missing Grissom talk is going to erode the ratings before we get a chance to get know Fishbourne.
 
I still miss Grissom and I still watch the show with Lawrence on it. I don't see how Nick can be bland or lack of skill, because we didn't see him do much leading except last Thursday after Catherine has to go to the hospital after she got bit by the woman who has rabies.

Last few season I find bland is Greg, no offense Greg's fans. Now he back to his old self again. Only reason I said that, because he lost his sense of humor, because he was too serious, that wasn't Greg's ego. You can have sense of humor and take thing serious at the same time, like Nick have. Nick take thing serious then when the job get done or he wait on the results, he made sometimes a joke or something.
 
I agree with adzix ,becouse as much as I liked Nick,I can't see him as the lead.He is too much of a regular guy.Grissom was intriguing and unique.But if I had to choose,I would say Catherine becouse she is someone we know well and complex.

I also think Greg became bland when he lost his sense of humour.I miss the funny DNA guy!!
 
It wasn't any of the characters that were bland, it was the writing that was bland. :lol:

As for missing Grissom, I do sometimes. I feel that they are trying to compensate for the loss of Grissom by shoving the replacement down our throats too much... and while I like the character, I don't think he should be getting anymore screentime than Grissom ever did. And no one has those interesting little tidbits/one-liners like Grissom. So yeah, I miss him. :)
 
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Greg never lost his sense of humor, he just did not have as many reasons to use it when you are out in the field. With Riley around now, he tends to use it more again.

The only way I miss Grissom is his interaction with the original cast. It was unique. Ray just seems like it is his job to work with these people and that is it.
 
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Greg never lost his sense of humor, he just did not have as many reasons to use it when you are out in the field. With Riley around now, he tends to use it more again.

The only way I miss Grissom is his interaction with the original cast. It was unique. Ray just seems like it is his job to work with these people and that is it.
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I agree. Greg being more mature now, he now knows when it is and isn't appropriate to display his sense of humor. I don't think he's lost his sense of humor. I think it's just matured and become more subtle. I personally have noticed a lot of humorous little things he's said since he left the DNA Lab. So he definitely hasn't lost it, he's just not as out there about it as he used to be. I think though that the writers haven't really given him much of a chance to express much of a sense of humor in the past. So in my mind, it's the writers who've lost their sense of humor, not the character. :)

And Nick isn't average to me. I think Nick is extraordinary and heroic and brave and just all around amazing.

But, that's not what this thread is about, so I digress.

I miss Grissom in some ways, but in other ways I don't. It's hard to describe. :lol: I love the guy, I really do. I think he was a very interestingly quirky character. And yes, he had issues with social type things, but I still liked his interactions with the team for the most part. And I kind of miss that. But, at the same time I'm loving Cath in charge... I just wish it was shown more.
 
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I'm not really missing Grissom per se, I am missing the show that we had when he was still on. I feel that the quality has gone down, not because of WP, but because TPTB are trying to recreate a show that is already past it's prime. JMO.

The Missing Grissom talk troubles me too. I mean, viewers who miss Grissom should definitely have a place to talk about. I just hope it doesn't poison too many waters.
 
I'm not really missing Grissom per se, I am missing the show that we had when he was still on. I feel that the quality has gone down, not because of WP, but because TPTB are trying to recreate a show that is already past it's prime. JMO.
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Amen. It seems as soon as BP left, the writer's mojo went with him. I have to wonder if a. Billy Petersen was such a control freak he took their ability to write for themselves away from them. or b. they are deliberately trying to sabotage the show because they don't want to write for the show anymore. They truly believe the show cannot go on without BP and so they want to kill it themselves.
 
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I miss Grissom in some ways, but in other ways I don't. It's hard to describe. :lol: I love the guy, I really do. I think he was a very interestingly quirky character. And yes, he had issues with social type things, but I still liked his interactions with the team for the most part. And I kind of miss that. But, at the same time I'm loving Cath in charge... I just wish it was shown more.
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I agree.

I don't agree, however, with everyone saying that Nick doesn't have what it takes to be a leader. Let's see if he's not quirky enough he shouldn't lead? That isn't sound reasoning.

Nick rallied the troops together in 'Redrum' when he thought something fishy was going on. Now that is leadership and having the respect of your colleagues. Not to say Grissom didn't have that or Catherine, they do.

Nick also showed last week that he can be fair when he leads. However, Grissom was anything but fair.

Grissom was a good leader, at times, but he was in no way perfect. There isn't someone who leads a team that is.

Grissom's bad points: played favorites (Warrick, Sara, Greg), had a relationship with a subordinate (unethical - yes, he fell in-love, but it is STILL unethical), hypocritical, unfair to certain team members and not to others (guess that would fall under favoritism), too self-involved at times and lets not forget him not getting evaluations in on time so his staff got their raises. :lol:

I'll give him bad at paperwork, because who the heck likes to do paperwork? :rolleyes: I'm a manager and I can tell you, I don't! :lol:

Grissom's good points: good teacher, great scientist, quirky, genuinely cared for his team (cared more for some), loyal, will defend his team no matter the consequences (very good points for that), won't bow down and kiss a**.

Ok, there are probably more good and bad points, Grissom is human like the rest of us. However, that doesn't make him a better boss or leader than anyone else.

Everyone has there own style and the couple of times Nick has shown his leadership he has done quite well. Now he hasn't had that many times as leader so we can't get a full picture.

As for Catherine, she has her faults, as well. Betraying her team (Redrum) is a big one.

Like GNRF, said I miss Grissom. I do. He was and is one of the most interesting, quirky characters ever on TV and will always be one of my favorites.
 
Amen. It seems as soon as BP left, the writer's mojo went with him. I have to wonder if a. Billy Petersen was such a control freak he took their ability to write for themselves away from them. or b. they are deliberately trying to sabotage the show because they don't want to write for the show anymore. They truly believe the show cannot go on without BP and so they want to kill it themselves.
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you must really not like him. i kind of think that maybe you're a little envious that George got less attention as an actor or as Nick than WP/Grissom. but i think he has great future ahead of him, he's still young and i wouldn't be surprised if he did something big after CSI ends.

i think that maybe WP was a good balancing influence on the show. as a producer he had a big part in creating the show as a whole b/c this is how he perceived the creative work of making a long time series. the only way he saw himself working was to be a part of the whole process and not just say his lines and leave, not knowing what the episode is about. doesn't mean he was a control freak. on the contrary, i don't know how many times i've heard TPTB emphasize that he brought collaboration from the theater to the show, and that it is something very unusual for TV.

see, now if the ratings didn't drop, would you be saying that he just didn't make any difference?
 
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