Stella/Melina #7 'Cause everything sounds better in Greek

[Lori K.]

There's two ways of following something you are given, may it be a script, a choreography or whatever: one is to simply to what is given to you, the other is living it; being it and being convinced of what you do. MK obviously always did or at least tried to do the second option

And she was fantastic at it!:thumbsup: She has me convinced when I watched the show that Stella was real!!!:lol:

Maybe that's part of the reason why MK left, because there were too many empty promises from PV and she wasn't actually doing what she said.

Thats what I've been - a - thinkin.

(Aside from the fact that I know a lot of people who would be more than upset if he was allowed to get together with the new character so quickly while the Mac and Stella angle always was denied... and it would shine a very bad light on PV as well in regards to whether she liked MK or not... a very negative light...)

Talk about pouring salt in the wound! If they did THAT the few M/S fans that did stick around would probably leave for sure and I cant imagine they are in a position to be wishing THAT to happen. After all have they noticed the drop in ratings?

I think it might be rather for Lindsay

I have a feeling there gonna give alot of that this season.

But did he not have brains?

Nope! Not a one!:lol:

 

[Axatullux]

Man, if that's the case, just simply wrecking SMacked for countless millions of fans and instantly pair Mac up with someone like as of Stella and Mac never knew each other in the first place would be among the biggest TV insults of all time.

Regardless, to me, the CSI-NY era has ended and I'm really, REALLY looking forward to Melina's future roles, on both TV and the big screen.

I may sound odd but having seen snippets of where she played Victoria Metcalf on "Due South", a part of me would like to see Kanakaredes play a character who is on the other side of the law, like a major villainess or someone who is difficult to tell of she's on the 'good' or 'bad' side of the law.

Perhaps some of you might laugh or scoff at this but the thought of Kanakaredes playing a character on "Desperate Housewives" really caught my mind, considering that as of this writing, it is the last of the 2000s era TV shows that still stands, at least to me.

When it comes to beauty, at least aesthetically speaking, Meline buries the vast majority of other celebrities, in all fields, music, TV, movies, etc. Few can rival Melina in both beauty and brains, which has always been a rarity in the entertainment industry. :bolian:

 

[MReese]

Man, if that's the case, just simply wrecking SMacked for countless millions of fans and instantly pair Mac up with someone like as of Stella and Mac never knew each other in the first place would be among the biggest TV insults of all time.

I'm not a SMackie, but even I agree with this! It's like putting salt on a wound.

REALLY looking forward to Melina's future roles, on both TV and the big screen

When it comes to beauty, at least aesthetically speaking, Meline buries the vast majority of other celebrities, in all fields, music, TV, movies, etc. Few can rival Melina in both beauty and brains, which has always been a rarity in the entertainment industry. :bolian:

Very well said!

 

[MReese]

Sorry for the double post, but here are some pics of Melina K. with her daughters taking a stroll in NYC.

More here (scroll down to see more pics)

 

[Lori K.]

Thanks for the pics MReese!!:thumbsup: I was just there a couple of weeks ago for vacation. Shucks missed her by THAT MUCH!! :lol: Looks like Stella came back to NY after all!!!

 

[Andromeda]

He would have been silly had he had done so. At least from where he stood.
Though to me that would have been as if Stella had been dating her little brother...

Yes, he could only wait and see what she´d choose for: another night or whether to continue the affair at all. But I never considered him as a sort of brother to her.

But what do they need five months for if it's Jo's first day on the job? I think it might be rather for Lindsay because she's supposed to have her last day of therapy and receive the medal and since those things don't happen quickly...

Yes, maybe these five months are for Lindsay to jump in time and see how was coping or not coping with the events during the past months.

They could at least give the writers some inside about how they feel about the character, if they feel something is right for the character or not.
I wonder if we were to have a TV show if we did the same mistakes. It's so hard to imagine; of course, it's difficult and you cannot ask everyone and take on everyone's opinion because then it's going to be a mess but I'm sure you can work with the actors you're writing and can make changes to the script if an actor suggests them.

I agree, especially after so many years of shooting, the actors have a good feeling for their characters, they grew with them and know now how they tick and what could happen next with them. Would they deny a Robert de Niro the right to suggest how his character should develop or progress? Certainly not, but not only super actors like him know method acting, TV-show actors can have that certain feeling and intuition, too. And though you can´t please anybody and ask anybody, there should be a basic from where to write the stuff.

There are quite some characters which could have been interesting... as we said about Aubrey. Flack's sister as well, she could have played a great role while Flack was mourning Angell, for example.
We're back at the potential and only a fraction of it used

Yes, I always thought Sam should have been there for Flack when he was there for her when she was low. And the list goes on....

Was Aubrey that empathetic? Maybe they wanted her to be but I think there's more to that than wanting to see where Mac works and bringing up Afghanistan. I don't think they showed enough of Aubrey for us to know what she was like, really. (Not that I want them to show more, just saying )

At least she wasn´t a character like Haylen where everybody wished for her to hit the road immediately. They couldn´t really show who she really was, because obviously they chose not to continue the story and the triangle.

Yes, I assume that was their intention, also someone who understands her job because a firefighter is close enough.
But did he not have brains? I don't know, there was so little of him... seemed she was playing with him; sort of like Stella had her puppet doll. And the way she treated him, I never really considered it to be something serious, she just didn't behave as if it was going to be.

Well, he was so stupid, I couldn´t even imagine him to understand his job . He was a braindead and Stella didn´t hide what she thought of him, so what this story was supposed to be good for....nobody knows .

Well, I just said that Anyway, maybe MK had some sort of a "mysterious" hunch that it wasn't going to be popular with fans and wouldn't last... Because that was so very hard to figure out... PV still doesn't know what goes over well and what doesn't...
And since it happened in S5 when MK wrote GFD... I don't think she wanted a boyfriend around for that episode

Well, that hunch can´t have been too mysterious, since that was clear from the start that it wouldn´t work out. And imagine Dumbo Fireman following Stella to Greece :lol:.

MK ran away from Mac and Stella after she wrote GFD? Yeah...
No, I think PV said that because she knew there would be a vast majority who wouldn't be happy about Aubrey and the triangle (after all, as far as I know, Peyton never was popular which is why they sacked her) and she threw in that Mac and Stella comment to soothe. Maybe that's part of the reason why MK left, because there were too many empty promises from PV and she wasn't actually doing what she said.

Well, according to MK´s interviews it needs to be said that she never really was keen for a Mac/Stella-romance, unless perhaps in the very last season of the show. Because she thought this could spoil their closeness and friendship, of which she thought was more special than going for the obvious option of a romance, it was more special as a non-romance and I always shared her opinion. So PV talking at first of a triangle with Aubrey and Peyton and then not excluding a Mac/Stella romance might have been too much for MK, she maybe asked: "Where´s the crime show"?

Which once again shows how stupid that triangle was.

Yes, utterly useless.

Yeah, that made him very credible in that scene

Didn´t it?

Me too. I'm not sure if they actually think that as in if they even think about what they're writing. As in thinking about it in connection with something that happened three episodes ago or maybe even the season before. I think they're just writing for the moment which is sort of the problem. And also, I think, part of the reason why characters like Mac turn out so one-dimensional. If you have an actor who is content with his role and how it is written, then you don't get much out of that (and I'm not saying GS is a bad actor; he's a good actor but I think he's just sort of resting on his laurels with Mac quite the contrary to what I felt MK did)
What I always thought though was that there was someone who would be paid to sort of guarantee continuity. They have that for movies, maybe they don't bother for TV shows. It would be a great investment though.

I agree, they often seem to lose the thread and the coherence of stories which suggests they don´t care or remember what they´ve written before, but just write for the moment. Actors like GS give them an easy life if they´re content with their simple structure while MK was surely more demanding. I never check the credits if there´s a continuity guy like in the movies, but it rather doesn´t seem to be so .

Right because it was just so likely that they kill two characters in one episode

They spread the rumours for a while that they might have to cut off a main crew member, too, due to the financial collapse. But that was only to keep people interested in the premiere of S6.

Sure it would have been possible but not without people like me whining that others were affected by the shooting too and that it doesn't make sense that only those two should have been traumatized

Well, as I said they could have let the two be surrounded by the others with their minor traumas to be portrayed from time to time. But doing justice to all would have been just impossible.

Yes but they could have left her out and bring in the Hawkes love interest or not. It's not like Aubrey contributed to the cases of the episodes she was in, so she wasn't really needed and the episodes could have been done without her. Why bother?
Even Point of View could have been done without any Aubrey before, if they had insisted on bringing Peyton back though even that wasn't even necessary.
Which is what makes that triangle even more pointless.

Why they changed their plans so drastically- no-one knows. Suddenly they decided to bring in a new love interest for Mac, plus Peyton and the triangle. I agree, Peyton´s comeback wasn´t necessary either, especially not in "Point of View", it should have been Stella who went to the opposite apartment, observed and kept watched by Mac and not Peyton. It would have been a great Mac/Stella- case episode, but no, they had to spoil it .

Yes and they saw where it was going by the drop in ratings. If you consider it, it's not surprising. Those who watch NY because it's on don't care about the personal stuff; they might have missed an episode or two or don't follow it that closely so they're likely to be a bit confused and uninterested in the personal stuff, additionally, many fans weren't too happy with the way things were going. It's strange, you'd expect changes to happen now, with three people gone from NY, not when it's still the same team.

I agree, those who don´t watch NY regularly must have thought they´re watching a completely different show with all the changes and new characters coming and going after a few episodes. It was impossible to follow when they were constantly changing directions.

Who cares about family if they watch CSI?
If they wanted to show that a baby and a family is very much possible while being a CSI they should have thought about that at the beginning and should have given one of the characters a family right from the start.

True, if they had given one character a family from the beginning, they would have been integrated, but they thought they´d be inventive to have the first CSI-family at that point.

Also, the family/personal stuff didn't take over in S5. There was a lot especially with Danny and Linds and the baby but there was also a lot of case(s). I didn't feel like watching a soap opera and S5 wasn't focusing on just one character's personal life as S6 seemed to have done. There was something from everyone; some were overdone and too heroic others were good.

Yes, as I said it wasn´t such a nuisance yet in S5, because there was a lot of other stuff going on that was good, even great. But that changed in S6, unfortunately.

Well, I hope they at least respect that part... I doubt they're respecting a lot of other things but that part... please!!
Stella's and Mac's understanding was extraordinary. It cannot be matched and even if they let SW have that, it cannot be copied, so they should leave their hands off that.

We can only hope that. They cannot even dream of putting SW ever in Stella´s footprints; whatever partnership Mac will have with Jo, it can never be so special and extraordinary as it was with Mac and Stella.

I hope not because they'd not only have lost Stella but they would also lose Mac because let's face it: He's in his late 40s (apparently) and after Peyton and Gillian and Aubrey he doesn't need the fourth woman chasing after him in a row. That would be so ridiculous. Besides, she just came on to the team. Now if she tried to hit on him and he wouldn't be interested, that would be something else yet still, it would be ridiculous since we agreed, he was no Adonis. Keep him single or put him together with Aubrey, if they must and cannot resist giving him a girl. Though I prefer single and leave any love out of his life for the next decade please.
(Aside from the fact that I know a lot of people who would be more than upset if he was allowed to get together with the new character so quickly while the Mac and Stella angle always was denied... and it would shine a very bad light on PV as well in regards to whether she liked MK or not... a very negative light...)

Agreed. It cannot be that he had two women running after him in S6 and now another one coming up- how ridiculous would that be??? If things had gone on as planned and MK would have stayed for another season, PV could have written finally the Mac/Stella romance, because as we now know, MK would have left after S7 and since she said she could only imagine a romance in the very last season, it could have happened then, because it would have been her very last season and her fear of a romance being too cheesy and spoil the show and the relationship between the two would have been gone then. But they messed it all up, including MK´s negotiations, so they should keep Mac a single, everything else wouldn´t be credible.

We're talking CSI NY here, so it should cause differences in their working methods and also in their way of thinking.
It could be very interesting... if only Stella hadn't left for it... I could actually like that new aspect... although, I would like it more with new writers..

Yes, it could have been interesting with Stella still there AND a new character, even with the old writers .

Well... surely not However, she could have only stretched the writers imagination had she actually had a say in her character which I don't believe she did to the point that it would have made a difference to an episode and how her character was written in that episode. If anything, she stretched the imagination of the directors, giving in her input and acting Stella out like she felt.

I agree that MK was surely more demanding for the directors, but I also think she had some kind of say, at least in S5 with Stella´s arc, since it was clear from the beginning that MK should write the final episode of the arc. So she was more involved with the story and Stella´s character than usual, I´m sure of that.

True. Though it was never revealled if she thought her mother might be alive. In a way it's strange though that she, as a police officer, never tried to dig up more about her family. My 20 year old adopted cousin tried to find out something about her father last year (mother's dead).
So, you would think that Stella actually had tried to find out something about her family by then, wouldn't you? Especially with all the resources she had at hand. And given her relationship with the professor it's strange she should have never asked him about her parents either.

I agree. Though I always assumed for some reason that she thought of her parents as being dead, maybe because she never tried to find out more about her family, like you said, though she would have had all opportunities and possibilities as a police officer and detective. Yes, one would think that at that time when Prof. P. told her about her Mum she should have already known it, because one would assume she investigated her parents´history. But that she never asked Prof P. before about her parents is probably because she didn´t know that he had known her Mum, he never told her that, only when he had to after Mac had shown her the picture of her Mum and Prof. P.. Why he never told her before is another mystery, maybe because he wanted to protect her and didn´t want her to know that her Mum was involved in something fishy?

You can have a brother-sister relationship and be friends, can't you? There actually are siblings who get along well and are friends

I know , but I just think of them as "just" friends .

Yes I agree. Mac would have been too close to Stella. And he was the one poking around her apartment - by himself which I guess also was because she wouldn't feel like her privacy was invaded. Not sure if that would actually have been possible, probably not but for the TV show he could go alone and maintain Stella's right to privacy since she had gone through enough.

Well, it would probably not be possible in reality as every detective has their specific job to do at a crime scene, but for the TV show I suppose they let Mac investigate Stella´s apartment on his own to show her privacy was kept.

Me, too, I was quite surprised. Quite scary actually, in a way, if you think about that they're running around with guns afterwards
However, do forensic studies take only 2 years? I would think that they would take four years? Which puts her back on the very tight schedule Especially since she, as an orphan, would definitely have had to work and might not have had time to have such a tight class schedule. But maybe she graduated early

That´s so true :lol:. Hm, considering the versatile knowledge that they all have, one should think that forensic studies take more than two years. But it´s TV and maybe you´re right and she graduated early, maybe because she was so gifted and above average intelligent, who knows .

Well, since they've worked together since 1999 she must have known him (at least they mentioned that Mac had worked with her for over 10 years in GFD).
But I still think she was little bit too young. A couple of years more would have made it more credible with everything that she has supposed to been doing and the position she was in.

Yes, they had worked together for about 11 years, BEFORE they came to the crime lab, that is the thing that makes the time schedule so tight. But yes, she knew him very well .
I agree, it´s silly that they made her 34 or 35 in the show and Mac about 10 years older, why not take the actors´ real age, it would make more sense.

Which basically is another aspect why that baby wasn't a good idea. It hindered the development of Lindsay's character.

True, now she just became Mummy Lindsay, but if she wouldn´t mention Lucy from time to time and had it not been for the cliffhanger, it would go unnoticed that there had been a major change in her life- she behaves as always. So maybe this story she seems to get is a new chance for the character and AB, though I don´t really care .

Well, if only.....(once more )

Probably not the last If Only .


MReese: thanks for the pics . Now that Melina has left CSI NY, she´s got eventually time to stroll around in real NY with her kids- ironic, isn´t it ?
Zoe looks like her Mum and Karina is a look-alike of her Dad .

 

[Ballettmaus]

Yes, he could only wait and see what she´d choose for: another night or whether to continue the affair at all. But I never considered him as a sort of brother to her.

Well, I did, sort of. Him to her but not her to him They definitely had a relationship I would have never seen getting romantic, really. He was just too goofy for that, well, is and it was all too "kid's got a crush on his teacher"-like.

I agree, especially after so many years of shooting, the actors have a good feeling for their characters, they grew with them and know now how they tick and what could happen next with them. Would they deny a Robert de Niro the right to suggest how his character should develop or progress? Certainly not,

I don't know. But then, I don't think Robert de Niro would ever end up with a writer like PV. No offense to her person but I don't consider her in the same league as a de Niro (always thought it was di Niro )

but not only super actors like him know method acting, TV-show actors can have that certain feeling and intuition, too.

There are certainly quite a few so-called "big names" which I would consider less talented and less intuitive than MK...

And though you can´t please anybody and ask anybody, there should be a basic from where to write the stuff.

Not sure what you mean here?

At least she wasn´t a character like Haylen where everybody wished for her to hit the road immediately. They couldn´t really show who she really was, because obviously they chose not to continue the story and the triangle.

In order to show who she really was they would have to have made everything very different... however... I can't say I was really interested in who she really was because she wasn't a CSI/part of the main team.

Well, he was so stupid, I couldn´t even imagine him to understand his job .

You think?
I really have to watch the episodes with him again, as it seems...

Well, that hunch can´t have been too mysterious, since that was clear from the start that it wouldn´t work out. And imagine Dumbo Fireman following Stella to Greece :lol:.

Why should he have?

Well, according to MK´s interviews it needs to be said that she never really was keen for a Mac/Stella-romance, unless perhaps in the very last season of the show.

I just know that she said, you don't put main characters together until the every end of a show.
Which would have been fine with me
And which was why I wondered mid-season (after Second Chances) if either Mac or Stella were to leave the show and they were setting up that sort of ending for the season.
One of them did leave but in quite a different way...

Because she thought this could spoil their closeness and friendship, of which she thought was more special than going for the obvious option of a romance, it was more special as a non-romance and I always shared her opinion. So PV talking at first of a triangle with Aubrey and Peyton and then not excluding a Mac/Stella romance might have been too much for MK, she maybe asked: "Where´s the crime show"?

I still don't think PV had plans to put Mac and Stella together straight away; I think, as I said, this was added for the benefit of upset fans, maybe with regards of putting Mac and Stella together at the end of the show or at least leaving a hint, sort of an open end that could go either way - those who want them to stay friends can imagine they stay friends and those who want them to be more can think that that was the beginning to more.
I also doubt that MK was thrown off by that comment. She still wrote GFD.
I'm not saying she wanted Stella to jump him right then and there, however, I just don't buy that after that episode she would leave because PV didn't exclude a Mac and Stella romance. She didn't exclude it herself by saying what she said - and she moved Mac and Stella's relationship a huge step forward.

They spread the rumours for a while that they might have to cut off a main crew member, too, due to the financial collapse. But that was only to keep people interested in the premiere of S6.

I think so too. And somehow, if they have to make a cliffhanger that sort of a first part to the second part that will air after the summer break you know that ratings are declining. Season 1, 2 and 3 all ended on more or less conclusive stories. Of course, you could have written anyone out after that without a problem, but I never had a doubt about Flack not making it through in S2 for example. But S4 and S5 and S6 both ended with an open end...

Why they changed their plans so drastically- no-one knows. Suddenly they decided to bring in a new love interest for Mac, plus Peyton and the triangle. I agree, Peyton´s comeback wasn´t necessary either, especially not in "Point of View", it should have been Stella who went to the opposite apartment, observed and kept watched by Mac and not Peyton. It would have been a great Mac/Stella- case episode, but no, they had to spoil it .

Yes, that could have been but it could have been anyone else. There was no need for Peyton really, to be with that guy, Mac could have observed him.
Though I still find it very interesting that he let her search the apartment without any back-up knowing there was that fatal gas in the apartment. I doubt it was the writers intention but that was some insinuation. Revenge is sweet isn't it - too bad it didn't work out?!
But this episode was just ridiculous, all the things that ends that didn't tie up, like that, or Mac waiting until he had found out Peyton's number and not informing anyone about his discovery... I was laughing at the episode afterwards. And poor Hitchcock would have turned in his grave...
Also, Stella being thrilled over Peyton's return was just so wrong... She and Peyton never had a scene together that would have defined their relationship and I doubt she would welcome the ex who had dumped her best friend in the way she had with open arms.
It was almost like, if Stella is thrilled to see her, the fans will be as well.

True, if they had given one character a family from the beginning, they would have been integrated, but they thought they´d be inventive to have the first CSI-family at that point.

They couldn't have known that though.

Yes, as I said it wasn´t such a nuisance yet in S5, because there was a lot of other stuff going on that was good, even great. But that changed in S6, unfortunately.

Which reminds me about the episode we were talking about and you said was going to be repeated; the one where Stella had given the class at the university and I said the end was unsatisfying for Stella?!

We can only hope that. They cannot even dream of putting SW ever in Stella´s footprints;

Well ...

whatever partnership Mac will have with Jo, it can never be so special and extraordinary as it was with Mac and Stella.

It certainly cannot and I hope they know that fans will be even more upset if they do that than they already are. Besides, I don't think it would be fair to SW either.
Stella was someone special.
It would be in everyone's interest to make SW as different as possible...

Agreed. It cannot be that he had two women running after him in S6 and now another one coming up- how ridiculous would that be???

Very Let's make a commedy, after the mystery show last season

If things had gone on as planned and MK would have stayed for another season, PV could have written finally the Mac/Stella romance, because as we now know, MK would have left after S7 and since she said she could only imagine a romance in the very last season, it could have happened then, because it would have been her very last season and her fear of a romance being too cheesy and spoil the show and the relationship between the two would have been gone then. But they messed it all up, including MK´s negotiations, so they should keep Mac a single, everything else wouldn´t be credible.

Thanks for the information, well summed up
I agree though.

Yes, it could have been interesting with Stella still there AND a new character, even with the old writers .

Yeah... so they could have written Lindsay out - because she did have her worries about something happening to one of them because of Lucy and then they could have brought in Jo. I would have liked that... if written well... well...

I agree that MK was surely more demanding for the directors, but I also think she had some kind of say, at least in S5 with Stella´s arc, since it was clear from the beginning that MK should write the final episode of the arc. So she was more involved with the story and Stella´s character than usual, I´m sure of that.

Yes but I think that would have been restricted to those episodes. She would have to say where she wanted to go with it and where she actually needed it to go so she could write the last episode of the arc as she wanted to. But the rest of the episodes didn't really tie into that one. Also, it was just the happenings of the episodes which needed to match up.
I think that maybe once the actors get the script they say something like I don't think the character would say something like that and it might be adjusted or the phrase things differently, do something on impulse that just feels right while acting it out but it's minor things. Otherwise S6 would surely have turned out differently

I agree. Though I always assumed for some reason that she thought of her parents as being dead, maybe because she never tried to find out more about her family, like you said, though she would have had all opportunities and possibilities as a police officer and detective.

But what makes you think your parents are dead? Wouldn't you ask? You don't just assume and never inquire. As a kid maybe but not when you get older. I mean, being an orphan can be of so many different reasons...
But, I too, assumed her parents were dead because there was never any mentioning of them, so them being dead was a logical consequence.

Yes, one would think that at that time when Prof. P. told her about her Mum she should have already known it, because one would assume she investigated her parents´history. But that she never asked Prof P. before about her parents is probably because she didn´t know that he had known her Mum, he never told her that, only when he had to after Mac had shown her the picture of her Mum and Prof. P.. Why he never told her before is another mystery, maybe because he wanted to protect her and didn´t want her to know that her Mum was involved in something fishy?

Well, I didn't consider her mother having been involved in something fishy.
However, she said that the professor had told her he didn't know her mother so she had asked him about her. So, interest has been there, wouldn't she then have investigated about them? The professor obviously never told Stella that her mother was dead though, that she found out from Mac.

That´s so true :lol:. Hm, considering the versatile knowledge that they all have, one should think that forensic studies take more than two years. But it´s TV and maybe you´re right and she graduated early, maybe because she was so gifted and above average intelligent, who knows .

Well, they do have their specialities... which always so clearly shows in the episodes
But a degree always takes more than two years, doesn't it?

True, now she just became Mummy Lindsay, but if she wouldn´t mention Lucy from time to time and had it not been for the cliffhanger, it would go unnoticed that there had been a major change in her life- she behaves as always. So maybe this story she seems to get is a new chance for the character and AB, though I don´t really care .

Yeah, like I have already printed banners and flags...

 

[Andromeda]

Well, I did, sort of. Him to her but not her to him They definitely had a relationship I would have never seen getting romantic, really. He was just too goofy for that, well, is and it was all too "kid's got a crush on his teacher"-like.

I know . But still I would have found it interesting in a way to see the teacher-pupil affair continue . That would at least have been something controversial, even if it didn´t have a long-standing future, but better than this boring new love interest for Mac.

I don't know. But then, I don't think Robert de Niro would ever end up with a writer like PV. No offense to her person but I don't consider her in the same league as a de Niro (always thought it was di Niro )

He could have met writers in his league who wouldn´t dare to object to his suggestions for a character, even if they had different plans. Writers are not actors, in most cases, so despite having imagination to write, they cannot portray a character in their scripts the way an actor can do this.
And it´s de Niro .

There are certainly quite a few so-called "big names" which I would consider less talented and less intuitive than MK...

Fully agree.

Not sure what you mean here?

I mean that you can´t always please every actor and involve them in the stories, there have to be compromises, but at least the lead actors should have more say.

In order to show who she really was they would have to have made everything very different... however... I can't say I was really interested in who she really was because she wasn't a CSI/part of the main team.

I agree, her introduction wasn´t made interesting, she just was there suddenly and what was revealed about her wasn´t much.

You think?
I really have to watch the episodes with him again, as it seems...

Yes, have fun with them, or should I say with him ?

Why should he have?

If PV had written the episode instead of MK .

I just know that she said, you don't put main characters together until the every end of a show.
Which would have been fine with me
And which was why I wondered mid-season (after Second Chances) if either Mac or Stella were to leave the show and they were setting up that sort of ending for the season.
One of them did leave but in quite a different way...

Well, yes, had they known that they´d mess up the negotiations, they could have written the romance for S6 .

I still don't think PV had plans to put Mac and Stella together straight away; I think, as I said, this was added for the benefit of upset fans, maybe with regards of putting Mac and Stella together at the end of the show or at least leaving a hint, sort of an open end that could go either way - those who want them to stay friends can imagine they stay friends and those who want them to be more can think that that was the beginning to more.
I also doubt that MK was thrown off by that comment. She still wrote GFD.
I'm not saying she wanted Stella to jump him right then and there, however, I just don't buy that after that episode she would leave because PV didn't exclude a Mac and Stella romance. She didn't exclude it herself by saying what she said - and she moved Mac and Stella's relationship a huge step forward.

We will never know, now that MK took the burden from the writers to bother about a possible Mac/Stella romance.
Well, it´s once more in the eye of the beholder- to me GfD wasn´t the beginning of something between them, it was just to show how close and important they were for each other as friends. I think what must have been disappointing for MK was there was hardly anything left of that in S6. Rather than being keen for a romance she was probably keen that they all would get back to normal, which they didn´t or just in little pieces.

I think so too. And somehow, if they have to make a cliffhanger that sort of a first part to the second part that will air after the summer break you know that ratings are declining. Season 1, 2 and 3 all ended on more or less conclusive stories. Of course, you could have written anyone out after that without a problem, but I never had a doubt about Flack not making it through in S2 for example. But S4 and S5 and S6 both ended with an open end...

Agree. They surely had high hopes for the premiere ratings of S6, but at that time nearly everybody already knew that no one of the main crew would die, so that failed, the break was just too long. All three cliffhangers were not really thrilling, there was no doubt there´d be a happy ending.

Yes, that could have been but it could have been anyone else. There was no need for Peyton really, to be with that guy, Mac could have observed him.
Though I still find it very interesting that he let her search the apartment without any back-up knowing there was that fatal gas in the apartment. I doubt it was the writers intention but that was some insinuation. Revenge is sweet isn't it - too bad it didn't work out?!
But this episode was just ridiculous, all the things that ends that didn't tie up, like that, or Mac waiting until he had found out Peyton's number and not informing anyone about his discovery... I was laughing at the episode afterwards. And poor Hitchcock would have turned in his grave...
Also, Stella being thrilled over Peyton's return was just so wrong... She and Peyton never had a scene together that would have defined their relationship and I doubt she would welcome the ex who had dumped her best friend in the way she had with open arms.
It was almost like, if Stella is thrilled to see her, the fans will be as well.

Well, since they tried to copy "Rear View Window", they should have sent Stella, she sort of had the part of Grace Kelly :lol:. But I agree, there were quite some illogical things, especially the gas seemed to trouble the writers, they always forgot to write in precautions for the characters .
And yes, Stella´s enthusiasm for Peyton´s return was very weird and incredible. It wasn´t a great episode, but Mac and Stella working together on the case would have made it a lot more enjoyable.

They couldn't have known that though.

Yes, but they were lucky to become the first, or so they think.

Which reminds me about the episode we were talking about and you said was going to be repeated; the one where Stella had given the class at the university and I said the end was unsatisfying for Stella?!

It was repeated last week , and now agree that it should have been Stella and not Sheldon to solve the case with Mac and arrest the woman. She was at Stella´s class, so Stella felt responsible in a way for what happened and therefore it should have been her prerogative to go for the case. But generally S5 had much better stuff to offer than S6.

It certainly cannot and I hope they know that fans will be even more upset if they do that than they already are. Besides, I don't think it would be fair to SW either.
Stella was someone special.
It would be in everyone's interest to make SW as different as possible...

I hope so, too; the fans should vote with the ratings. I agree, this wouldn´t do SW any favour.
Stella was Stella, so let Jo be Jo, a person in her own right.

Very Let's make a commedy, after the mystery show last season

Yes, let´s go through all genres .

Thanks for the information, well summed up
I agree though.

You´re welcome .

Yeah... so they could have written Lindsay out - because she did have her worries about something happening to one of them because of Lucy and then they could have brought in Jo. I would have liked that... if written well... well...

Oh well, wishful thinking , that would have been too good to be true, but unfortunately it was MK´s contract they wanted to discuss, not that of AB :devil:.

Yes but I think that would have been restricted to those episodes. She would have to say where she wanted to go with it and where she actually needed it to go so she could write the last episode of the arc as she wanted to. But the rest of the episodes didn't really tie into that one. Also, it was just the happenings of the episodes which needed to match up.
I think that maybe once the actors get the script they say something like I don't think the character would say something like that and it might be adjusted or the phrase things differently, do something on impulse that just feels right while acting it out but it's minor things. Otherwise S6 would surely have turned out differently

Maybe it was like that and maybe, once she´s written an episode for Stella, MK wasn´t content anymore with what they wrote for this character in due course, and maybe, just maybe MK wanted to have a bit more say and the differences between her and the writers grew. Certainly S6 would have been completely different if she or the others had had more say.

But what makes you think your parents are dead? Wouldn't you ask? You don't just assume and never inquire. As a kid maybe but not when you get older. I mean, being an orphan can be of so many different reasons...
But, I too, assumed her parents were dead because there was never any mentioning of them, so them being dead was a logical consequence.

We can only speculate, but I assumed that she probably was told as a child that her parents died; I mean, children are curiuos, I´m pretty convinced that little Stella asked her foster parents or whoever where her parents are or what happened to them. And as an adult she might not have questioned the truth of what she was told as a child, because she was scared to find out painful things, I suppose.

Well, I didn't consider her mother having been involved in something fishy.
However, she said that the professor had told her he didn't know her mother so she had asked him about her. So, interest has been there, wouldn't she then have investigated about them? The professor obviously never told Stella that her mother was dead though, that she found out from Mac.

Now wasn´t her mother involved in the smuggling of paintings, the one she once received from Prof P as a present when she finished the academy?
Yes, he had been lying to her, maybe to protect her or because he didn´t want to hurt her by telling her that her Mum was dead, so he claimed not to have known her. Well, MK had to write it that way that Stella never investigated about her parents before, otherwise it would have been illogical, because it was never mentioned before that Stella ever looked for her parents and what´s happened to them. So everybody would then have asked: "Aha, so when was that, when did she find out about her Mum, and why was it never mentioned all the seasons before?"

Well, they do have their specialities... which always so clearly shows in the episodes
But a degree always takes more than two years, doesn't it?

I would guess so, at least this would make more sense than just a short time- how can they catch up with all the knowledge, specialists or not, in just a few months?

Yeah, like I have already printed banners and flags...

:lol:

 

[Lori K.]

Also, Stella being thrilled over Peyton's return was just so wrong... She and Peyton never had a scene together that would have defined their relationship and I doubt she would welcome the ex who had dumped her best friend in the way she had with open arms.

Yea! What was THAT about?:wtf:

It was almost like, if Stella is thrilled to see her, the fans will be as well.

NOT! So sorry.

Yeah... so they could have written Lindsay out

HA! If only!:lol:

 

[Ballettmaus]

I know . But still I would have found it interesting in a way to see the teacher-pupil affair continue . That would at least have been something controversial, even if it didn´t have a long-standing future, but better than this boring new love interest for Mac.

I agree... in a way. Had they made Adam a little bit more mature then I could have seen them together. Him in a very contrasting way to the guys she dated before. However, the way they had it, he was just that tad too childish for her. Too goofy. No one who could have given her the emotional warmth and understanding she needs because I don't think it's the sex that matters to her.

I mean that you can´t always please every actor and involve them in the stories, there have to be compromises, but at least the lead actors should have more say.

I agree to that. It would probably be insane to have everyone have a say in things and it's not like Danny and Lindsay and Hawkes had that many character defining scenes... in the episodes they're having those I guess it's fine to let them mention one thing or another.
Though I don't think it should be a huge thing, just when the script comes out and they feel like something should be changed they should consider doing so.
The question is, if the actors get the entire episode script or just for the scenes necessary then it might be hard for them to say something because things are filmed out of order.

Yes, have fun with them, or should I say with him ?

I don't think I'll have fun with him

If PV had written the episode instead of MK .

I'm quite glad that it was MK who wrote that episode

Well, yes, had they known that they´d mess up the negotiations, they could have written the romance for S6 .

I guess if they had known that they'll mess up the negotiations they wouldn't have messed them up. If they still had messed them up it would have seemed as if they had done so on purpose

We will never know, now that MK took the burden from the writers to bother about a possible Mac/Stella romance.

Yeah... I'm thrilled about that I quite liked that burden

Well, it´s once more in the eye of the beholder- to me GfD wasn´t the beginning of something between them, it was just to show how close and important they were for each other as friends.

No, I didn't mean that it was the beginning of something but it still deepened their bond even more.
Like, I never felt that Stella considered staying permanently, just that she wanted to give the painting back but that she would be back in NY so in fact, there was no real need for Mac to go after her. That he did, well... And that final scene as well, in his office. That episode had more Mac-Stella in it than any other episode before and whether the other characters were there or not... They could have done with Danny and Don for the scene at the professor's but everyone else they could have scratched. That episode would have been able to "live" with just those four actors.

I think what must have been disappointing for MK was there was hardly anything left of that in S6. Rather than being keen for a romance she was probably keen that they all would get back to normal, which they didn´t or just in little pieces.

I agree. She sort of did mention that in the interview anyway. Well, she didn't say she wasn't happy about it but she said that it went to the point at which Stella wouldn't have tolerated it, so I guess that could mean she wasn't happy with it

Agree. They surely had high hopes for the premiere ratings of S6, but at that time nearly everybody already knew that no one of the main crew would die, so that failed, the break was just too long. All three cliffhangers were not really thrilling, there was no doubt there´d be a happy ending.

That yes, and I don't think they really could have expected high ratings after what they did with Stella and Adam. I think that decision was unpopular before it was made

Well, since they tried to copy "Rear View Window", they should have sent Stella, she sort of had the part of Grace Kelly :lol:.

To be honest, I would prefer MK every day... not saying that Grace Kelly was a bad actress but compared to MK if find her rather... bland at least in that movie. So, Forlani might have been the better choice after all... I found her quite bland as well.

But I agree, there were quite some illogical things, especially the gas seemed to trouble the writers, they always forgot to write in precautions for the characters .
And yes, Stella´s enthusiasm for Peyton´s return was very weird and incredible. It wasn´t a great episode, but Mac and Stella working together on the case would have made it a lot more enjoyable.

I certainly wouldn't object to that. Besides, with Stella and Mac there would have been more logic in it. Stella could have taken all the precautions when searching the apartmen (as could have anyone else form the team) because she's trained for that. She wouldn't have been in there unarmed and would have been able to defend herself.
So, that entire episode contained all that weird things because they had to make Peyton the main character. Even if they wanted Peyton in it, they still could have done so while having the investigators investigate and not her. They never mixed Peyton into the investigation in season 3, why they had to do it in that episode, I don't know. They could have kept Peyton and the investigation separate. She still could have known that guy but it would have made more sense had Mac called Stella or whoever else and Peyton would have let them into the apartment.
Though I don't know if that had been an illegal search...

It was repeated last week , and now agree that it should have been Stella and not Sheldon to solve the case with Mac and arrest the woman. She was at Stella´s class, so Stella felt responsible in a way for what happened and therefore it should have been her prerogative to go for the case.

Yes, that exactly was my point. But instead they had Sheldon go and even have him tell that woman how she could get a reduced sentence. If that wasn't a slap into Stella's face I don't know what it was.

But generally S5 had much better stuff to offer than S6.

Yes, the episode was good and often, in S5, the episodes were good but the endings then were quite unsatisfactory. Or the episodes were good but it had to be Mac who turned out to be the hero.

Yes, let´s go through all genres .

Well, they covered crime, mystery and soap opera already

Oh well, wishful thinking , that would have been too good to be true, but unfortunately it was MK´s contract they wanted to discuss, not that of AB :devil:.

Yeah... and we all know how that turned out

Maybe it was like that and maybe, once she´s written an episode for Stella, MK wasn´t content anymore with what they wrote for this character in due course, and maybe, just maybe MK wanted to have a bit more say and the differences between her and the writers grew. Certainly S6 would have been completely different if she or the others had had more say.

I would be surprised if it weren't that way, however, the question is, how much the others cared.
I remember reading somewhere that someone said that MK was picking up on continuity mistakes and all and said that fans would notice, so she obviously picked up on that herself. If the others were that way or if they cared... that we don't know. Maybe they were just doing their job?!
I think MK would still have been not satisfied with Stella had she not written that episode because she's been playing that character for so long and has gotten to know her.

We can only speculate, but I assumed that she probably was told as a child that her parents died; I mean, children are curiuos, I´m pretty convinced that little Stella asked her foster parents or whoever where her parents are or what happened to them. And as an adult she might not have questioned the truth of what she was told as a child, because she was scared to find out painful things, I suppose.

The way I understood GFD was that she didn't know anything about her parents because in Greece when Mac tells her she mentions that the professor told her, that he hadn't known her mother to which Mac replies that it's hard for him to tell her now and that he couldn't imagine telling that to a small child. So, this was all news to her.
According to that episode, Stella was in St. Basil's after the foster care so she met the professor afterwards. Had her questions been answered already by the foster parents she wouldn't have needed to ask the professor anymore.

Now wasn´t her mother involved in the smuggling of paintings, the one she once received from Prof P as a present when she finished the academy?

Her mother was part of the restauration team for an art exhibit. The painting was the last thing she worked on which is why the professor gave it to Stella. Yet the painting was legally in the US. It just didn't return to where it belonged, apparently.

Yes, he had been lying to her, maybe to protect her or because he didn´t want to hurt her by telling her that her Mum was dead, so he claimed not to have known her. Well, MK had to write it that way that Stella never investigated about her parents before, otherwise it would have been illogical, because it was never mentioned before that Stella ever looked for her parents and what´s happened to them. So everybody would then have asked: "Aha, so when was that, when did she find out about her Mum, and why was it never mentioned all the seasons before?"

Well, I'm not saying that would have been MK's job, that would have been the writers job to consider everything that belongs to an orphan and that includes trying to find something out about the parents.
The episode with Stella's foster sister would have been good to mention something, for example. In any case, we don't really know what Stella knew about her parents because that was never mentioned. I guess we all assumed they were dead but I didn't consider her to have been born in Greece, for example. I thought she had been born in the US to Greek-Italian parents.
The question is how Stella managed to remain in the US. Her mother was killed but there was that entire art exhibit team, so... was there no one in Greece who would have taken Stella in? With those big families they have in those countries? No grandmother, aunt, uncle, cousin whatever? That seems a bit strange. Just as strange as them keeping the child in the US and not having sent her back to Greece because she wasn't a US citizen. I'm not so sure they would have kept her. I think it's likely they would have send her back to live in an orphanage in Greece.

 

[Andromeda]

I agree... in a way. Had they made Adam a little bit more mature then I could have seen them together. Him in a very contrasting way to the guys she dated before. However, the way they had it, he was just that tad too childish for her. Too goofy. No one who could have given her the emotional warmth and understanding she needs because I don't think it's the sex that matters to her.

Well, as I said I thought Adam seemed a bit more mature, so it could have worked , at least for a while. But when he got back to his old goofy style, it would or should have ended.

I agree to that. It would probably be insane to have everyone have a say in things and it's not like Danny and Lindsay and Hawkes had that many character defining scenes... in the episodes they're having those I guess it's fine to let them mention one thing or another.
Though I don't think it should be a huge thing, just when the script comes out and they feel like something should be changed they should consider doing so.
The question is, if the actors get the entire episode script or just for the scenes necessary then it might be hard for them to say something because things are filmed out of order.

I agree, where they have stories in the episodes, they should have some say and discuss their scenes.
I don´t know, I suppose they get the scripts with their lines and dialogues, but otherwise they get a rough summon up of what the episode is about.

I don't think I'll have fun with him

I think I can understand this .

I'm quite glad that it was MK who wrote that episode

I can understand this, too .

I guess if they had known that they'll mess up the negotiations they wouldn't have messed them up. If they still had messed them up it would have seemed as if they had done so on purpose

They would have at least tried not to mess them up, one should think, but what do we know.....

Yeah... I'm thrilled about that I quite liked that burden

Yes, she was their beast of burden :lol:.

No, I didn't mean that it was the beginning of something but it still deepened their bond even more.
Like, I never felt that Stella considered staying permanently, just that she wanted to give the painting back but that she would be back in NY so in fact, there was no real need for Mac to go after her. That he did, well... And that final scene as well, in his office. That episode had more Mac-Stella in it than any other episode before and whether the other characters were there or not... They could have done with Danny and Don for the scene at the professor's but everyone else they could have scratched. That episode would have been able to "live" with just those four actors.

I agree, I never thought either, that she ever considered to stay in Greece, but the reason why Mac followed her was rather that he was scared she´d do something she might regret or could put herself in danger, after all he knew that the murderer of Kolovos and Diakos was still free and obviously fled to Greece.
The final scene was lovely, though I thought Mac was a bit shy when Stella told him how lucky she was to have him in her life .

I agree. She sort of did mention that in the interview anyway. Well, she didn't say she wasn't happy about it but she said that it went to the point at which Stella wouldn't have tolerated it, so I guess that could mean she wasn't happy with it

Yes, when Stella wouldn´t have tolerated it, so neither would MK .

That yes, and I don't think they really could have expected high ratings after what they did with Stella and Adam. I think that decision was unpopular before it was made

Yes, but nonetheless they made it which shows how their brains work sometimes, or don´t work .

To be honest, I would prefer MK every day... not saying that Grace Kelly was a bad actress but compared to MK if find her rather... bland at least in that movie. So, Forlani might have been the better choice after all... I found her quite bland as well.

Absolutely, though I love "Rear Window" for its suspense and thrill, so that Grace Kelly wasn´t really important anyway- that would be different if MK would have played that part- then and in Point of View .

I certainly wouldn't object to that. Besides, with Stella and Mac there would have been more logic in it. Stella could have taken all the precautions when searching the apartmen (as could have anyone else form the team) because she's trained for that. She wouldn't have been in there unarmed and would have been able to defend herself.
So, that entire episode contained all that weird things because they had to make Peyton the main character. Even if they wanted Peyton in it, they still could have done so while having the investigators investigate and not her. They never mixed Peyton into the investigation in season 3, why they had to do it in that episode, I don't know. They could have kept Peyton and the investigation separate. She still could have known that guy but it would have made more sense had Mac called Stella or whoever else and Peyton would have let them into the apartment.
Though I don't know if that had been an illegal search...

I absolutely agree with everything. They could have integrated Peyton in a different way into the episode than to make her Mac´s partner for the investigations of that case. It was irresponsible the way Mac behaved and very unusual for him.

Yes, that exactly was my point. But instead they had Sheldon go and even have him tell that woman how she could get a reduced sentence. If that wasn't a slap into Stella's face I don't know what it was.

Exactly, I found that weird how Sheldon acted as a Gentle Knight to try and help this woman to get away with a reduced sentence.

Yes, the episode was good and often, in S5, the episodes were good but the endings then were quite unsatisfactory. Or the episodes were good but it had to be Mac who turned out to be the hero.

I agree, all in all it was a good season with some episodes ending silly or Mac having his hero story.

Well, they covered crime, mystery and soap opera already

So, what´s left?

Yeah... and we all know how that turned out

Yes, one gone, one left, but not in the right order .

I would be surprised if it weren't that way, however, the question is, how much the others cared.
I remember reading somewhere that someone said that MK was picking up on continuity mistakes and all and said that fans would notice, so she obviously picked up on that herself. If the others were that way or if they cared... that we don't know. Maybe they were just doing their job?!
I think MK would still have been not satisfied with Stella had she not written that episode because she's been playing that character for so long and has gotten to know her.

Yes, maybe MK was just more caring for continuity mistakes, because she knew fans noticed it and she thought that fans deserved logical stories, not to mention that she thought that Stella deserved logical stories. It was the right thing for her to write GfD, no one could have done it better.
I don´t know about the others, but MK certainly hinted that she wasn´t happy about the developments of S6.

The way I understood GFD was that she didn't know anything about her parents because in Greece when Mac tells her she mentions that the professor told her, that he hadn't known her mother to which Mac replies that it's hard for him to tell her now and that he couldn't imagine telling that to a small child. So, this was all news to her.
According to that episode, Stella was in St. Basil's after the foster care so she met the professor afterwards. Had her questions been answered already by the foster parents she wouldn't have needed to ask the professor anymore.

I agree, she didn´t know that the Professor had known her mother, because he had denied it when she asked and it was a plausible reason that maybe he would have found it too painful for a little child to explain her what´s happened to her Mum. Yeah, agree again, she obviously didn´t get any informations or answers from her foster parents.

Her mother was part of the restauration team for an art exhibit. The painting was the last thing she worked on which is why the professor gave it to Stella. Yet the painting was legally in the US. It just didn't return to where it belonged, apparently.

OK; I just wasn´t sure anymore whether or not there was something illegal about the painting. So all that smuggling stuff happened later when her Mum was already dead.

Well, I'm not saying that would have been MK's job, that would have been the writers job to consider everything that belongs to an orphan and that includes trying to find something out about the parents.
The episode with Stella's foster sister would have been good to mention something, for example. In any case, we don't really know what Stella knew about her parents because that was never mentioned. I guess we all assumed they were dead but I didn't consider her to have been born in Greece, for example. I thought she had been born in the US to Greek-Italian parents.
The question is how Stella managed to remain in the US. Her mother was killed but there was that entire art exhibit team, so... was there no one in Greece who would have taken Stella in? With those big families they have in those countries? No grandmother, aunt, uncle, cousin whatever? That seems a bit strange. Just as strange as them keeping the child in the US and not having sent her back to Greece because she wasn't a US citizen. I'm not so sure they would have kept her. I think it's likely they would have send her back to live in an orphanage in Greece.

The entire history wasn´t MK´s job, but she had to take care of what was ever mentioned before about it to avoid contradictions and illogical stuff. Nevertheless some questions remained, e. g. like you said how come that the little girl could stay in the USA, despite obviously not having any relatives there who could take care of her? And it´s practically impossible that her Mum didn´t have any family in Greece, mother, grandmother, siblings, cousins, etc., there should have been at least one person who´d have taken the girl back to Greece. Maybe the Professor had already his hands in it? But what good did that do to keep her in the states in an orphanage and in foster care if sending her back to her mother´s family seemed the better and logical option?
Yes, "Cold Reveal" would have been a great opportunity to explain more about Stella´s background, unfortunately it was wasted.

 

[Lori K.]

the painting. So all that smuggling stuff happened later when her Mum was already dead.

That is a good question. Was her mother into the smuggling as well or did she just work on the painting and Pro P steal it or just did not return it. And I cant remember if they ever mentioned her father? Your right about the extended family members where were all of them?

 

[Ballettmaus]

So, should we go with the something positive comes out of everything negative and be happy that priorities have moved away from the love triangle? Can't believe they planned to keep it up - and there's that tiny teeny problem about Peyton and London and the working permit for the US which I still don't know how she would have gotten the first time because her job certainly couldn't have been done by any American.
Though I'm really scared to ask what they had planned - and maybe MK was as well Or rather, she did know and got scared

Well, as I said I thought Adam seemed a bit more mature, so it could have worked , at least for a while. But when he got back to his old goofy style, it would or should have ended.

Maybe he was just unsure thus not as goofy?
I don't know... I still didn't see him as different besides, I don't think it would have made much sense had he acted like a goof straight away. Like, it would have been as if nothing had happened and he had to talk to Stella about that first

I agree, where they have stories in the episodes, they should have some say and discuss their scenes.
I don´t know, I suppose they get the scripts with their lines and dialogues, but otherwise they get a rough summon up of what the episode is about.

Yes, I would think so too. I guess they get to discuss scenes with the directors but the writers? Probably not as much, however, they are on a tight schedule, so I acknowledge that it's very difficult. Still, it's no excuse for how they butchered the show.

They would have at least tried not to mess them up, one should think, but what do we know.....

Well...

Yes, she was their beast of burden :lol:.

I wonder if they agreed. Somehow I have a feeling they doubt that. And while I want to believe that, I'm still not so sure. Just afraid I'm reading too much into what I want to be because Stella was such a great character and I want her to have had that much impact.

I agree, I never thought either, that she ever considered to stay in Greece, but the reason why Mac followed her was rather that he was scared she´d do something she might regret or could put herself in danger, after all he knew that the murderer of Kolovos and Diakos was still free and obviously fled to Greece.

Yes... though that was one action I think Mac didn't think about for a change. It also showed a different side of Mac's character, don't you think?
In any case, I never really thought about why Mac followed Stella... I found it natural though, given their relationship.

The final scene was lovely, though I thought Mac was a bit shy when Stella told him how lucky she was to have him in her life .

Yes, he definitely was and I liked it. It was very much him.

Yes, when Stella wouldn´t have tolerated it, so neither would MK .

Obviously she didn't

Yes, but nonetheless they made it which shows how their brains work sometimes, or don´t work .

No comment

Absolutely, though I love "Rear Window" for its suspense and thrill, so that Grace Kelly wasn´t really important anyway- that would be different if MK would have played that part- then and in Point of View .

Yes, me too, I love the movie; I love Hitchcock in general and I didn't consider it a every good ... contribute to him.
I'm not sure I would have wanted MK in the original. I think that's one role she wouldn't have been suited to play because she's a different type of woman. But she should have been in the NY version, I agree entirely

I absolutely agree with everything. They could have integrated Peyton in a different way into the episode than to make her Mac´s partner for the investigations of that case. It was irresponsible the way Mac behaved and very unusual for him.

Unusual is a very nice way of putting it
Also, it's not really character development because this was out of the profile they established. Again, all thanks to that silly love triangle...

Exactly, I found that weird how Sheldon acted as a Gentle Knight to try and help this woman to get away with a reduced sentence.

Well, I found it very Sheldon like. I can't remember what made him do so but I understood why he did so. But it doesn't change the fact that it was unfair to Stella. I think it might have even been interesting if the ending had been Stella and Sheldon, or the arresting in any case instead of Mac because Mac was the least invovled. So it could have prompted some strong contrast between Sheldon and Stella, also, Stella would have for once not been the compassionate one. Which in that case wouldn't have been a bad thing.

So, what´s left?

Comedy?

Yes, maybe MK was just more caring for continuity mistakes, because she knew fans noticed it and she thought that fans deserved logical stories, not to mention that she thought that Stella deserved logical stories.

Yeah, I can imagine that it upset her not simply because of the fans but because she was playing a character in the show. I suppose small things can be overlooked. Like Stella suddenly having been in foster care. Okay, it doesn't make much sense but I think one can live with that. But there were just more and more things which didn't make sense, so... I wouldn't be surprised if that was part of her departure. After all, she stands for something on that show, she is a part of the show.

It was the right thing for her to write GfD, no one could have done it better.
I don´t know about the others, but MK certainly hinted that she wasn´t happy about the developments of S6.

Given how the writing has been going, I'd have to agree. I'm afraid to imagine what it would have been like had it been someone else who had written it... not mentioning any names
Well, I haven't been reading much articles last season but I do get the impression that MK was the only one who cared in the way she did and who thought about the character, what she was giving it, where it was going, where the show was going...

OK; I just wasn´t sure anymore whether or not there was something illegal about the painting. So all that smuggling stuff happened later when her Mum was already dead.

That wasn't said, maybe the smuggling has already been going on, after all, being part of the restoration team was ideal for the professor to be smuggling. Exchanging originals with fakes...
So, yes, there was something illegal about the painting because it was the original and should have been in a museum but her mother didn't smuggle it because the painting was part of an art exhibit.

The entire history wasn´t MK´s job, but she had to take care of what was ever mentioned before about it to avoid contradictions and illogical stuff.

Yes and I think she did a good job making the unlogic logic.

Nevertheless some questions remained, e. g. like you said how come that the little girl could stay in the USA, despite obviously not having any relatives there who could take care of her? And it´s practically impossible that her Mum didn´t have any family in Greece, mother, grandmother, siblings, cousins, etc., there should have been at least one person who´d have taken the girl back to Greece. Maybe the Professor had already his hands in it? But what good did that do to keep her in the states in an orphanage and in foster care if sending her back to her mother´s family seemed the better and logical option?

Exactly, so it doesn't make sense that he would have kept her in the states. And he should have known that there's family in Greece. Which is why I never assumed Stella was born in Greece - that and the visa issue. If her mother had run away from home or had been an illegal immigrant it would have made a lot more sense. Or if her mother's family had been an illegal immigrant and her father were unknown... I guess there's more possibilities but having her remain in the US while being a Greek citizen doesn't really make sense.

 

[Axatullux]

Even with all the arguements that permeate nowadays on this thread, I've pretty much closed the books on CSI:NY and have turned off all the lights on the official TV-Show, discarded CBS into the trash and consider it 'cancelled' for all I care now. I'm looking forward to future Melina projects.

Stella literally crossed through a reality plane, completely left the CBS/CSI universe and crossed over into my own. Mac and the other CSI's went after her but she pressed the button and closed the portal on them and when they thought they would pass through, the plane disappeared and they ended up crashing into cans of hot garbage. :hugegrin::brickwall::angryrazz:

Stella gets a whole state named Bonasera with it's capital being Stellapolis, with Corleone Heights, Soprano Ridge, Sollozo River, Red Fanucci Grove, and Sassone River being suburbs, an entire mountain range called the Bonasera Mountains which are snowcapped, a stratovolcano (Think Mt. Pinatubo in the Phillipines) called Stella's peak which is currently spewing tons of ash and smoke, disrupting flights and causing weird weather patterns :devil:, and Stella also has major streets all over my country named after her. :hugegrin:

Mac gets nothing! He only enters my universe as a despised pariah. :devil::evil::angryrazz::angryrazz: Stella literally altered the fabric of my imagination forever. She joins Carmen Sandiego, and Demona (From Gargoyles) as among my favorite fictional female characters of all time who left their mark on me. All three lived, never were killed off and can now unleash their mayhem on everyone else now. Mac, Danny, Flack, Hawkes, Adam, and Lindsay all died out and were forgotten...Good riddance!

 

[Andromeda]

So, should we go with the something positive comes out of everything negative and be happy that priorities have moved away from the love triangle? Can't believe they planned to keep it up - and there's that tiny teeny problem about Peyton and London and the working permit for the US which I still don't know how she would have gotten the first time because her job certainly couldn't have been done by any American.
Though I'm really scared to ask what they had planned - and maybe MK was as well Or rather, she did know and got scared

Well, thanks to MK leaving, the world will be saved from a love triangle . Yes, they had planned to continue it and of course, they didn´t bother with details like how Peyton can go back to work in the States

Maybe he was just unsure thus not as goofy?
I don't know... I still didn't see him as different besides, I don't think it would have made much sense had he acted like a goof straight away. Like, it would have been as if nothing had happened and he had to talk to Stella about that first

Well, if this was his way to show he was unsure then it was quite a mature way :lol: as well as he behaved towards Haylen; he seemed to defend his territory, that was quite in a mature way, too. He certainly felt different after the night with Stella, I´d assume, because she surely didn´t treat him like he was a goofy during that night :lol:.

Yes, I would think so too. I guess they get to discuss scenes with the directors but the writers? Probably not as much, however, they are on a tight schedule, so I acknowledge that it's very difficult. Still, it's no excuse for how they butchered the show.

I agree, it would be too time consuming to discuss everything with the writers, it´s mostly up to the directors to discuss the scenes with the actors and maybe at that point there´s still space for the actors to try and have a bit of say of how they want to play certain scenes.

I wonder if they agreed. Somehow I have a feeling they doubt that. And while I want to believe that, I'm still not so sure. Just afraid I'm reading too much into what I want to be because Stella was such a great character and I want her to have had that much impact.

I don´t know, maybe in the end to them it´s just another episode happening in this business; they´re used to to deal and negotiate with actors and they always want to win. So in a way they lost Stella and MK, but from their point of view they will interprete it as having won over her: they made the terms and it was take it or leave it for MK, rather than her trying to force her conditions on them. We can only hope that NY will continue to fall so that they see what they have done.

Yes... though that was one action I think Mac didn't think about for a change. It also showed a different side of Mac's character, don't you think?
In any case, I never really thought about why Mac followed Stella... I found it natural though, given their relationship.

I´m not so sure, usually Mac never does anything without thinking it over . But in any way he was surely simply worried about Stella and I agree, it showed the different side of his character in that way that he was mainly worried as a friend about a friend and just the second thought was to worry about her doing perhaps something stupid that could ruin her career. His anger from the beginning had faded quickly, now his mission was just to follow and support her.

Yes, he definitely was and I liked it. It was very much him.

Yes, it was a bit unusual for him , as if it embarrasses him to get flattered with compliments.

Yes, me too, I love the movie; I love Hitchcock in general and I didn't consider it a every good ... contribute to him.
I'm not sure I would have wanted MK in the original. I think that's one role she wouldn't have been suited to play because she's a different type of woman. But she should have been in the NY version, I agree entirely

Yes, maybe it would have been better to write it as a sort of parody and a not too serious episode, which brings us back to comedy :lol:. Hitchcock generally prefered blondes, so MK wouldn´t have had a chance anyway . The more she should have had that in this episode .

Unusual is a very nice way of putting it
Also, it's not really character development because this was out of the profile they established. Again, all thanks to that silly love triangle...

Yes, it didn´t do no good, but they would, of course, claim otherwise.

Well, I found it very Sheldon like. I can't remember what made him do so but I understood why he did so. But it doesn't change the fact that it was unfair to Stella. I think it might have even been interesting if the ending had been Stella and Sheldon, or the arresting in any case instead of Mac because Mac was the least invovled. So it could have prompted some strong contrast between Sheldon and Stella, also, Stella would have for once not been the compassionate one. Which in that case wouldn't have been a bad thing.

It was when he learned that the stalker of that girl never was sentenced properly for stalking her and more or less was responsible for the suicide of the other girl in Providence, it reminded him of what had happened to his ex-girlfriend. And I agree, it was unfair to Stella and that´s a good idea that it would have been better to send Stella and Sheldon to arrest the girl, it would have been great to see them confronting each other with their opposite opinions considering this case. But no, it had to be once more Mac to get involved.

Comedy?

Rather horror .

Yeah, I can imagine that it upset her not simply because of the fans but because she was playing a character in the show. I suppose small things can be overlooked. Like Stella suddenly having been in foster care. Okay, it doesn't make much sense but I think one can live with that. But there were just more and more things which didn't make sense, so... I wouldn't be surprised if that was part of her departure. After all, she stands for something on that show, she is a part of the show.

Well, maybe they had told her their plans of how they wanted to continue with Stella´s story and maybe MK found it so absurd that it made it easier for her to leave. It may have been small things they´ve changed in her biography from time to time, but the fans noticed it and it´s annoying that they seemed to handle her vita so carelessly, as if they´d forgotten what they´d written originally.

Given how the writing has been going, I'd have to agree. I'm afraid to imagine what it would have been like had it been someone else who had written it... not mentioning any names
Well, I haven't been reading much articles last season but I do get the impression that MK was the only one who cared in the way she did and who thought about the character, what she was giving it, where it was going, where the show was going...

Yes, like our math-genius .
I agree, though I think that CG is very caring for his character, too. I remember the interview before the shoot out where he hardly could hide his annoyment as to why they are doing this. It seems he wasn´t very happy with the story. Though later he never seemed to be annoyed what they´ve made of his character- nice Daddy, nice husband, just a bore . But MK really put a lot of herself into Stella, it became a bit like her twin and you care very much for you twin sister, which must have made it very annoying for her to see what they made of Stella.

That wasn't said, maybe the smuggling has already been going on, after all, being part of the restoration team was ideal for the professor to be smuggling. Exchanging originals with fakes...
So, yes, there was something illegal about the painting because it was the original and should have been in a museum but her mother didn't smuggle it because the painting was part of an art exhibit.

I guess her Mum didn´t know about the smugglings, it probably happened behind her back.

Yes and I think she did a good job making the unlogic logic.

Yes, she knows how to think logical unlike some writers .

Exactly, so it doesn't make sense that he would have kept her in the states. And he should have known that there's family in Greece. Which is why I never assumed Stella was born in Greece - that and the visa issue. If her mother had run away from home or had been an illegal immigrant it would have made a lot more sense. Or if her mother's family had been an illegal immigrant and her father were unknown... I guess there's more possibilities but having her remain in the US while being a Greek citizen doesn't really make sense.

I agree, that´s also why I never thought she was born in Greece. Her Mum was just visiting for the exhibit, I don´t think she had any intentions to run away and not return to Greece which could have been a reason for Prof P. keeping little Stella in the States. So we should assume that her Mum had a family and/or husband waiting in Greece for her and they surely would have taken the little girl.