I do see why Lindsay would have issues--this is the second time in the space of a year or so that she's nearly lost her husband. Danny is nothing if not a danger magnet. :lol: But I hope we see some fallout for Danny, too.
Danger Magnet, Gotham's Anti-Hero :lol: He surely does have a knack.
But yes. I can understand why Lindsay, or anyone, would have issues, present tense and without even having to reference her Dark Sekrit. I hope Danny isn't just glossed over while Lindsay enters the dark side. No guilt about Casey targeting them, nor about Lindsay covering for him with the badge etc., nor for the circumstances wherein his wife had to shoot a psycho who happened to be holding their child inside their own home. Oh no. I'm sure Danny's absolutely unaffected and perfectly fine
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Yes, the show has to address and wrap up the Shane Casey Cliff-hanger in some way or ways. I'm just factoring in some observations/frustrations of the show and what's just my own personal taste.
Danny's injury storyline was seriously shortchanged. If Lindsay somehow winds up deriving more pithy material from his injury than he did by having it additionally factor into the current drama, well, :vulcan: #1.
If Lindsay somehow winds up deriving more material from a shooting we never saw and has it drawn out and mined longer than Danny was alloted for eps recovering from his 10% odds, then that's :shifty::vulcan: #2.
This on top of the fact that, Danny's involvement in the entirety of the Casey arc was seemingly to be peripheral prey. For something that was about him, it sure didn't seem to be a helluvalot about him. The gunshot fade to black now makes that whole arc more about Lindsay than Danny. That makes :shifty::vulcan::brickwall: #3.
I didn't enjoy the finale. Thought it was one of the weakest concoctions from the past 6 seasons. It was overly laden with DL as a pretense and not complemented by a truly decent case. MK is gone, and the premiere won't likely see much time given to address her departure; and yet, Lindsay is still there, and further, could be featuring in the season opener with Stormy Medal Drama. If Stella's exit is given but a passing nod while a substantial part of the ep weights the balance toward Lindsay Issuez, well, that would be :wtf::brickwall: #4.
If an actress of Sela Ward's caliber is given next to nothing to play and little to do, if the introduction of a new supervisor and main character is set behind AB playing Lindsay Issuez, call that
:wtf::censored: #5.
I don't begrudge that Lindsay is getting material. Every character should get sumthin. She's just not my favorite usage of screentime. We'll see how it all plays out. Mebbe I'll be pleasantly surprised. I may not enjoy her onscreen, but she's part of the show and I'll watch it. But. If that material is over-weighted, while the follow thru with regards to Danny (who went thru it all with her and who was a hub for the plot) is disregarded, if Stella's not given some due, if the introduction of a new character is overshadowed, or if the whole of the medal drama is generally poorly realized, then I'll be having issues wif Lindsay's Issuez.
My gad. I
really hope it isn't dragged out for too long :lol:. The last thing I want her S7 appearances characterized by is SullenDefiantlyWoundedAngstyAnger. My how screentime would crackle
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My glass is half full for the season, but with respect to Lindsay Drama is admittedly poured from a bottle of sumthin a 'lil stronger to help wash it down
. My comparative hope, my willy wonka golden ticket, my lottery pick, is that the character of Jo Washington proves to be someone I'd like to have a drink with, not because of :lol:. Just my take. As always, ymmv.
Also, everybody and their brother probably going 'Are you okay? Are you sure you're okay? Are you really sure you're not just pretending you're okay? Let's talk about your feeeelings. Are you okay?'
This would probably make me wanna shoot somebody else. Would turn into a vicious cycle :lol:.
(What can I say, I like when people on these shows ~question their job and whether or not they're even doing any good, and wondering whether the risks and the sacrifices are worth it in the end.)
I do too. I like to see, well, perhaps not necessarily a crisis of faith in what they're doing, but an evaluation of the effect they think they're having versus the toll suffered for it, and also for how its viewed or used by others. I think that's why I also kinda like the idea that the Mayor/DA/Chief whomeveryada, might use the Casey incident to score points while recognition of the cost was essentially used and then cast aside once the camera lights were off.
"Our deepest thanks and profound gratitude to Detective Montrose, so glad little Louis is well, what? - that Lucy is well, *extended pose held recieving award & shaking hands* we are all committed to keeping our city safe and this is proof of the effectiveness of our tenure in office, you'll excuse me I must be going." Wouldn't take away from deserving a medal, but would add yet another element into how one might feel about it.
Meh. I suppose I'm just imagining ways it might be more palatable as a storyline for me :lol:.
If Lindsay's not responding to the treatment: in that she attends the sessions but either just "says the right things" [Aiden's quote, not mine
] to get out of therapy ay-sap, or doesn't say much at all -- and I'm pretty much expecting her to do one or the other, because not only is that classic Lindsay :lol: but it's already kind of hinted that her attitude's an unproductive one -- then it's not surprising Dr. Johnson wouldn't know anything about her. She wouldn't have really peeled back anything at all. I dunno; to me the idea of anyone (even a certified therapist) managing to peel back Lindsay's layers after only three months, when it's taken some of her coworkers over six years to peel back even a few of them, is unrealistic at best.
Saying "I think the Lindsay stuff is the aftermath here" (which admittedly shoulda had a wee emoticon thingy after :lol
and "what does it mean if ya peel back layers and find nothing there" was another instance of me being perhaps overly flippant
, as much to do with what the show has (or hasn't) done for her as well as my own feelings on the character.
I do agree that no one would delight in being forced to attend counseling in order to be permitted to continue to do one's job, and wouldn't just open up and pour out uber deep personal revelations. Of course, three months is also a long time to stonewall to the point nothing at all was gained or learned :lol:. You'd think a doc would also learn about a person thru
how they avoid addressing issues, and which ones. Surely
something could have been learned of Lindsay at some point in three months? :lol: Mebbe they need a better pshrink.
On the one hand, I agree with "show, or it didn't happen". But otoh, while I know CSI and Miami are different shows, and for all we know NYPD has a different protocol -- the CSI team was pretty much forced to attend counseling after Warrick died, and Miami's team was also pressed to go see counselors after Speedle's death (although I don't think any of them actually went), so it doesn't seem too out-of-reach that something similar could've happened on NY with Angell's death.
I guess I'm going more by what could be taken as the various shows' "protocols" and less by what could be presumed as a Miami Dade Police or Vegas Police departmental protocol :lol:. Miami and Vegas have played to it more than NY has bothered with. I think part of me finds speculating about future possibilities more fun than filling in gaps with what could be reasonable and logical on the show's behalf where they couldn't be arsed to bother :lol:.
The deaths of Angell, Warrick and Speedle were depicted onscreen (I think. ...were they all? Don't recall Speed). Meaning, the audience got hit by them as well as their colleagues. Counseling was another way to follow thru with material. NY has not seemed interested in using that as a method. Before now anyways. Counseling in those past instances (of Vegas and Miami) was team wide, and had to do with looking at the loss of a team member and how it impacted everyone. NY didn't go that route. But neither was Angell a central character.
Mebbe Flack was mandated counseling for the warehouse shooting, especially if it was determined who he shot was responsible for Angell's death. Mebbe counseling stemmed from hitting rock bottom due a combo of the shooting and Angell's death, and only came after the fact. Who knows. One could say that while Aiden was no longer a colleague at the time of her murder, that the past association and violent nature of her death, which they did investigate, might lead the dept. to "offer" counselling (as opposed to mandating it). I don't think we even got that much. With Angell the show chose to make the follow up specific to Flack, and less about the team. Danny's recovery was also not really about the team, and understandable for it. I find it interesting that with the former Mac sorta played the counsellor, and in the latter Sheldon did. Saves having to cast and write up a pshrink I suppose :lol:. As with Flack, it seems this bit with Lindsay is really more about dramatic opportunity and less what's logical or presumed departmental practice
. Fair enough.
Back briefly to what has been seen and what has not. The take down of Casey has not (yet) been depicted. Nor have we (yet) got the Oh My Go0dness Holy F*ck Worse Than Decaptiation OMGEbil part. They could spring both into the premiere to color Mandated Counselling. But it does rather look like we're gonna be relying on retro'd formatting & editing, and ...medals in trash cans. How much is revealed through inserted snippets of scenes depicting and how much is revealed thru Lindsay describing or Lindsay defiantly and mutely suffering, who knows. I'll just say that past examples of AB shouldering a dramatic load did not inspire me. I'm not looking forward to this next round. But again, ymmv.
(I dread, I dread the moment of something along the likes of "you don't know me, what makes you think you know the first thing about me / what's to tell, I'm fine / I don't know why I hafta be here" yada. Sigh :lol
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I suppose I wouldn't mind a scene of Lindsay freezing up at some point and Flack covering her ass. Turnabout is fair play
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Because it's safe to assume she'll be in a senior-level position, I find it great that they've shown a) she'll have a friendly rivalry with someone in a similar position (Mac), and b) she'll have a teasing sort of dynamic with someone in a subordinate position (Adam) -- I just think both those things make her seem pretty cool so far.
I have similar hopes. I'm glad they seem to be playing to some personal interaction, and perhaps devoting some time to illustrating a new team dynamic shaking itself out. I'm glad it sounds like she could be more than willing to take a stance, and challenge others, and do so also with a sense of humor. Thank gad for that.
But I still would have liked if Stella's position had stayed empty at least for a little while. At least of sorts, with the new character not being accepted that well.
I see the 3 month gap being deliberately used to cover that over, and it sorta does work. We've no idea at what point Stella left, nor how long her position remained lacking a successor. If they address the transition in that much detail I'll be all the happier for it. But I wasn't hoping or expecting to see an empty desk to start the season. It's not exactly comparable to NCIS' Todd/Ziva, where that was deliberately played.
I can see why some might prefer that the new character not simply be welcomed warmly into the fold. I think Miami did alright with Ryan. I think the show managed to show someone likable while also doing it it a way that made it easy to understand why other characters might not be so welcoming. If NY can manage a balance like that, more power to them.
What I'd not like to see is a character that gives the audience reason to ostracize them and resist their integration. The show and the team dynamic need a figure to balance Mac and share in heading up the labs. That's not a position that Miami or Vegas had to consider with regards to a brand new character. Fishburne is a leading man, but his character does not run the labs or operate from a default position of authority.
Besides. Who's to say that Adam takes the teasing well. Mebbe he's not so warmly accepting of Jo, he could be taking Stella's departure hard, especially considering that he and Stella did have a night together.
I think it would make transitioning main characters more difficult than necessary if she's written up as too abrasive or the like. The show will hafta win over some fans regardless. I think I'd rather seem someone who might struggle at times within a brand new work environment, and certainly I'd personally
love to see different approaches and opinions, but not necessarily see a character subjected to having to win over a resentful lab staff or team members. I don't think I'd be interested.
Originally Posted By Maya316:
those dynamics aren't really something I'd want to see disappear from the show just because Stella herself isn't there anymore.
Thank you. Agree. I think team dynamics were always NY's strong suit. I'm hoping that Jo is able to be a part of that sooner rather than later, and that the transition is not overly conflicted just for the sake of it.
