Season 12 Spoiler Lab Discussion Part 2

[SpasmThatCat]

and is that not what this thread is for, to discuss, debate and speculate?

I thought that's what the reference thread is for, so people don't have to wade through the discussions.

But discussions about season 12 right? Most of this above is centred around what happened at the end of season 11, although I could be wrong, I skipped over most of it. Maybe the two disjointed lines in the promo have absolutely nothing to do with any of that?

 

[jafox]

I don't see Catherine at fault for bringing Ray to LA; he was suppose to be the resident Haskell/serial killer expert. When Catherine realized his ex and her hubby were the victims, then she sent him home under Nick's supervision.
The bottom line is that since Cath was supervisor and Nick was her asst., then they both shoulder the brunt of the responsibility. I do think when Catherine says 'we', she means her and Nick, because she is talking about 'leading'. They're the leaders of the team, or at least they were.

I agree, AFIS, the promo would have been much better with a little more Jorja and Eric. :hugegrin: Other than that, I loved it, and the song.

My only problem is that I have to erase the image of 'Ecklie' as a crazed killer (in Torchwood), before the CSI season starts. :lol:

Ray shouldn't have been there because he was a victim of Haskell and it becomes a conflict of interest. She could have talked to him on the phone, he shouldn't have been there.

Maybe, but I don't think the term 'conflict of interest' is in the CSI universe. At least, it hasn't seemed to matter over the past 11 years. :lol:

 

[sharp52092]

Well yeah Ray was gonna do it no matter what but at least Nick could have tried to stop him

And Nick knew Langston was going to kill Haskell how?

Yeah he didn't know that, but at the rate it was going, Nick had to know it wasn't going to end well like Ray may have gotten killed instead

If Catherine didn't bring Ray to LA in the first place, if Catherine didn't take Haskell out of prison.

Even if Catherine hadn't brought Ray along, he still would have made his way to L.A., at least bringing him along she could keep an eye on him plus he's supposed to be a serial killer expert

Nice try, but don't pin it on Nick. He may have disobeyed Catherine, but she put Nick in that situation in the first place. If Catherine and yeah, Nick too, put a leash on Langston when it was becoming obvious that he was becoming obsessed about Haskell.

Is it hard to put blame on someone else than Nick? Because reallly the whole team is at fault, including Brass and, yes, Nick.

When did I say "this is all Nick's fault"??? I just want him to think about his actions in Cello and Goodbye when he helped Ray and say like "I should have informed Catherine and made Ray stay in the hotel"

 

[PraetorCorvinus]

But discussions about season 12 right? Most of this above is centred around what happened at the end of season 11, although I could be wrong, I skipped over most of it. Maybe the two disjointed lines in the promo have absolutely nothing to do with any of that?

At this point, much of the speculation for season 12 is centered around Catherine and Nick's apparent demotion. As such, debates are going to occur based on examinations of their actions at the end of season 11.

 

[SpasmThatCat]

Ok, but maybe the discussion goes like this:

Nick: Damn, that Morgan is tasty! Do you think she'd go out with me?
Catherine: Nick! We lead with our hearts not with our heads!
Nick: Well my little head is doing all the leading right now, I'm telling you.

 

[PraetorCorvinus]

Maybe the discussion goes like this:

Nick: Damn, that Morgan is tasty! Do you think she'd go out with me?
Catherine: Nick! We lead with our hearts not with our heads!
Nick: Well my little head is doing all the leading right now, I'm telling you.

:guffaw::guffaw::guffaw:

 

[Speedystokesgirl]

When did I say "this is all Nick's fault"??? I just want him to think about his actions in Cello and Goodbye when he helped Ray and say like "I should have informed Catherine and made Ray stay in the hotel"

Sorry Sharp, wasn't talking to you.

Ok, but maybe the discussion goes like this:

Nick: Damn, that Morgan is tasty! Do you think she'd go out with me?
Catherine: Nick! We lead with our hearts not with our heads!
Nick: Well my little head is doing all the leading right now, I'm telling you.

And I wouldn't put it past him, either. :lol:

 

[Smokey]

Okay...again....

Yes, the reference thread is for folks who want just the spoilers and only the spoilers.

Yes, this thread is for discussion about said spoilers and it's obviously going to stray here and there but should stick mainly to what's coming up in Season 12.

Everyone has the right to speculate and put their opinions here, but please don't argue over a fictional TV show. If two posters want to have it out over something, please take it to PM. If you can't bear reading another single post from a certain person, put them on ignore.

Discuss here, but don't nitpick, accuse, argue, etc.

 

[GregNickRyanFan]

but at the rate it was going, Nick had to know it wasn't going to end well like Ray may have gotten killed instead

Nick DID fear that Ray would get himself killed. That's why he made the choices he made. He didn't want to lose another friend.

Even if Catherine hadn't brought Ray along, he still would have made his way to L.A., at least bringing him along she could keep an eye on him plus he's supposed to be a serial killer expert

It doesn't matter if he's a serial killer expert, he should not have been working the case involving a serial killer who stabbed him. That makes it a conflict of interest and Ray never should have been there in the first place. Of course I realize the reason Ray was in LA was because the writers needed him there to ID Gloria's hubby since none of the others had seen the man before.

I just want him to think about his actions in Cello and Goodbye when he helped Ray and say like "I should have informed Catherine and made Ray stay in the hotel"

How do we know he doesn't say that though? That comment could be completely out of context due to editing. Like Praetor said, Nick may have been saying "I wouldn't change a thing" about something completely different than his actions in LA. Like I mentioned earlier, he could be saying it in response to Cath asking if he regrets agreeing to be the assistant supervisor. We just don't know for sure yet.

Maybe the discussion goes like this:

Nick: Damn, that Morgan is tasty! Do you think she'd go out with me?
Catherine: Nick! We lead with our hearts not with our heads!
Nick: Well my little head is doing all the leading right now, I'm telling you.

:guffaw::guffaw::guffaw:

ROTFLMAO!

 

[PerfectAnomaly]

For the record, I never said Catherine was "right" to be angry at Nick. I said it's understandable and it's human nature and Nick is responsible for his part and his part only in the whole mess, but I never said Nick was responsible for the whole thing and I never said Catherine was completely in the right for being angry at him.

 

[Raynn]

My only problem is that I have to erase the image of 'Ecklie' as a crazed killer (in Torchwood), before the CSI season starts. :lol:

I never really got hooked on Torchwood (or the new Doctor Who), but this gives me incentive to at least check it out again. I had the exact same problem with Alan Tudyk in Firefly, because I watched Dollhouse first. :wtf:

Maybe the two disjointed lines in the promo have absolutely nothing to do with any of that?

Finally got to see it, now that I'm home from work, so now I know what all the discussion is about! :lol:

It seemed to me to be a more general conversation, not just about how the Haskell thing ended. Catherine suggesting that the team has gotten too emotionally involved with their work, and that D.B. (being more detached, I assume) is good for them - and Nick, as usual, defending his more empathetic approach to his work. I didn't think it was "I wouldn't change any of my actions in the past few days/weeks/months," but more "I wouldn't change how I am as a person and a professional."

 

[MacsGirlMel]

ROFL!

I have the same problem with Marc but in reverse. I can't watch season 5 of Angel without seeing him as Ecklie. Although the scenes of Dr. Sparrow the doctor working for an evil law firm do come to mind sometimes during CSI eps. Like the times I'm mad at Ecklie and think of Spike torturing Sparrow (we didn't see it but they talked about it.)

I do hope things aren't ruined between Nick and Cath, and I'm not gonna deny part of it's 'cause I ship them lol

 

[Ladybronco]

Well, I was gone all afternoon and it took some reading to catch up on this thread :lol:

There's too many pages to go back and pick out quotes, so I'm just going blind here. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought Ray had already ditched his officer escort on the way to the airport before Nick even went to L.A. Catherine called Nick and asked him to go to L.A. after Ray disappeared and Nick's response was "I'm on my way, I'll find his ass". Once Nick arrived, he went straight to the newest crime scene, and then went to find Ray. His fault at that point was in going with Ray to the Pier, rather than to follow Cath's instructions to sit on him, once Nick found him. In my opinion, even if Ray had gone back to Vegas the first time, he still could have manipulated Greg and Hodges into allowing him computer access, which then led him to the yearbooks and farmhouse, regardless of what Nick did.

I think what surprised me the most was Nick firing his gun at Haskell on the carousel before he even knew that Haskell had a gun. That was risky

As for the promo, I've learned that so many things turn out different than what I've assumed might happen after seeing a promo, and it will probably be this way again. :lol:

 

[GregNickRyanFan]

Well, I was gone all afternoon and it took some reading to catch up on this thread :lol:

There's too many pages to go back and pick out quotes, so I'm just going blind here. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought Ray had already ditched his officer escort on the way to the airport before Nick even went to L.A. Catherine called Nick and asked him to go to L.A. after Ray disappeared and Nick's response was "I'm on my way, I'll find his ass". Once Nick arrived, he went straight to the newest crime scene, and then went to find Ray. His fault at that point was in going with Ray to the Pier, rather than to follow Cath's instructions to sit on him, once Nick found him. In my opinion, even if Ray had gone back to Vegas the first time, he still could have manipulated Greg and Hodges into allowing him computer access, which then led him to the yearbooks and farmhouse, regardless of what Nick did.

Exactly! I agree completely.

I think what surprised me the most was Nick firing his gun at Haskell on the carousel before he even knew that Haskell had a gun. That was risky

Yeah, that's something he shouldn't have done for sure.

 

[DJRideout]

How do we know he doesn't say that though? That comment could be completely out of context due to editing. Like Praetor said, Nick may have been saying "I wouldn't change a thing" about something completely different than his actions in LA. Like I mentioned earlier, he could be saying it in response to Cath asking if he regrets agreeing to be the assistant supervisor. We just don't know for sure yet.

I would like to know when that comment even became about LA. I for one also think that there are a dozen or more different things that could be related to any comment, let alone that one. Not saying that it is or isn't related to the Ray fiasco.

And the way I see it, I would have to agree with ladybronco. Past promos have messed with our minds before...been out of sequence and stirred up emotions etc. I'm gonna play it safe and not try to get worked up over it until I actually see the premiere. Oh and if that promo is just for the premiere, I am glad to see Hodges in it.