New World Order: Conspiracy Theory ( & A Whole Lot More)

To be quite honest with you, I'm grateful President Bush is the US leader. If Al Gore had been elected (which he was not, based on all the recounts he and the DNC insisted upon and paid for), America would have ceased to exist on 9/11. Plain and simple.
 
PrettyEyes said:
To be quite honest with you, I'm grateful President Bush is the US leader. If Al Gore had been elected (which he was not, based on all the recounts he and the DNC insisted upon and paid for), America would have ceased to exist on 9/11. Plain and simple.
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Word to that. There are a lot of people who say Bush is a bas leader, but good God Gore is the epitomy of a bad leader.

And to Roka , basically all I am saying is that in 1941 we did know that an attack was coming, and intel said it would most likely be in early '42 probably in the vicinity of the Philippines. The major problem back in the day was the difficulty that came with decoding not only Japanese codes, but also the language. I have read more reputable sources that say just that than ones that say FDR knew all about it.(Although I will concede that I have read a few accounts of that, that sounded pretty good and came from some notable historians.)

And don't think I'm standing up for FDR or anything, in my opinion the only thing he did right was leading the country during WWII. Most everything else (esp. his New Deal) really wasn't all that great. His Presidency on the whole really wasn't above average or even mediocre at times.

And hey I'm all for a good discussion, and like I said I try my best to read both sides to everything.
 
PrettyEyes said:
America would have ceased to exist on 9/11. Plain and simple.
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Well, I don't know about that...how do you mean "cease to exist?"

Just my opinion, but I think Al Gore may have made a better job of it than Bush, being Clinton's right hand man for 8 years. But hey, what do I know? :p
 
Don't get me wrong, I am no Gore supporter, to tell you the truth, I was more behind Mr. Ralph Nader - who, as you all know, lost the elections dramatically(less than 3% of the votes went to him). But I have read some books where his intelligence about corrupt governments had impressed me - as well as promised me that, unfortunately for America and the free world, he would have absolutely no chance of becoming the President of a nation where the truth is kept secret and the public played for fools. He would have done America a lot of good, not to mention kept a sense of stability existent all throughout the world. Enough of that, to get back to you PrettyEyes, explain why the world would have ceased to exist if Gore had taken the place of Bush. While you do that, let me give you a few sources you can refer to which basically point out that Bush DID NOT win the elections fair and square, because every news network had called Florida’s votes for Gore – until FOX, under the direction of the man behind the decision desk on election night, John Ellis (Bush’s first cousin) made the call stating that Florida was for Bush. All of a sudden, every news network (NBC, CNN, CBS, VNS, the Associate Press) decided that since FOX said Bush was the winner, they must have all been wrong and claimed that they had made the mistake and that Gore did NOT win the election in Florida. More on that here: http://www.cnn.com/2001/ALLPOLITICS/stories/02/02/cnn.report/cnn.pdf
And here:
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/media/election2000/election_night.html
And here:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2000/11/14/politics/main249357.shtml

Oh and if you think there is no way that John Ellis may have played around a bit with the truth, read this:

SOURCE: John Ellis, the FOX consultant who called Florida early for George Bush hdad to stop writing about the campaign for the Boston Globe because of family “loyalty” to Bush.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2000/11/14/politics/main249357.shtml

Oh and if that isn’t enough for you, I have more sources showing other ways that Bush cheated the election, from banning African Americans from voting in certain places, to preventing Senate members from signing the objections set forth by Congressional Black Caucus members that had tried to object to the results of the elections. Just say the word and I will supply you with the sources.

Now about the whole FDR / Pearl Harbor issue, if they expected an attack, I’m sure with the millions of dollars they have to spend they could have paid some Japanese interpreter to help them with that. It wouldn’t have been much of a hassle.

Oh and VManso, the Freemasons are very much involved in this as you may have read in the first post. More information will be supplied soon.

And good news people, desert_researcher has told me she will be dropping by the forum this weekend to share her knowledge on the subject as well. You will be impressed.
 
I would like to see the sources about the black caucus and whatnot. I'm not going to lie to you either- I haven't actually been that impressed with people you've referred to as legitimate sources so far, sorry.

I would really like at least some of this to be accurate because I feel in my gut that Bush is not a good man... but my gut is not exactly a repuable source either, is it? :lol:
 
No problem. I don't have time to write them out for you,so I'm just going to give some you the links, I can edit this post later with the other texts included. And I really suggest that you visit the other 4 sites related to Alex Jones and Dr Len Horowitz.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,949709,00.html.

http://www.aei.org/docLib20040526_KeatingPaper.pdf
(look at Table 1).

I can write out the rest in an hour, they are newspaper articles and are not found online but you can go to your local library and pull out the old papers and read more about them too. More about that in an hour.


Take a look at this site too. I'll copy/paste some of excerpts later on.
http://www.bilderberg.org/skulbone.htm
 
My comments to WWII and PH. I have to say it's something that I'm not familiar well with (since we had enough going on in Europe and our own country) but could it have been that US knew about attack and just wanted a reason to test nuclearbomb?

people's acceptance to war is easily to get. When "enemy" doesn't have a name or are basicly shown to people as "an animal". US uses this a lot. I read clip from speech of Colin Powel when US was going to Iraq war... I was amazed how in today's world propaganda still works in such an amazing way.

Nader. Such an... erm... interesting person :lol:

I don't know.I don't think US politics will change much since all they have is mostly democrats or republicans.

Since this has seem to go to anti-Bush talk, I read somewhere few days ago (I think it had something to with Iran) how Bush was upset that Middle east countries do all they can so they'd get US out of Middle East.

well doesn't that make sense? At least in my World Map USA doesn't belong to Middle East.

Conspiracy theories. My theories are always based on that Bush is just a puppet. His past, degrees and how he has got his spots are bit...shaky. He has had Colin Powel, very smart man working for him. Condoleezza Rice is the same way (which I think is more behind US actions than Bush himself) then whole top military officers.

Oh! Bush with kids when 9/11 happened. Perhaps he got the info earlier but didn't think anyone would like to attack USA for real. He was shocked indeed. But his actions then... he looked so helpless. Leader of so powerful country shouldn't be that.

I had some other thoughts earlier in the day but I forgot those because I couldnt' post.

To end my post to Bushism:

You know, one of the hardest parts of my job is to connect Iraq to the war on terror.
"—Interview with CBS News, Washington D.C., Sept. 6, 2006
 
Refering to the posts from yesterday I liked your argument about education.

Educated people question facts more often. This is so true. However teaching children to ask reasons and to interprete them for future should take a little long. Time we never had - and never will have.


Also right: Bush is not the only bad pencil. He is one of those with fewest patience.
Still America is among states with most nuclear bombs and rockets.
Bushs announced aim is making the world one big democracy. To achieve this aim it is safe to say that for whole America no price will be to high.

What I´m aiming at is the assumption of a further attack with same brutality as 9/11.

I bet my ugly ass then Bush will be the first screaming for a third world war.
 
Detective_Burn said:

However teaching children to ask reasons and to interprete them for future should take a little long. Time we never had - and never will have.
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I'm not sure what you're saying here? We are constantly educating our children, so this should be ingrained in the lessons.
 
To bring democracy to the world, US should fix their own problems first (such as social security, voting system etc.)

If 3rd World War becomes, fourth will be fight with sticks and stones.
 
<A cautious Desert Reseacher steps intothe break room here...> Hi Roka, DaWacko, it's been awhile, I know. I've been looking over the discussion here and I just want to say this one thing, and that is what Baba wrote:

"Edited to add: And maybe educating people about the NWO is not the tack to take. After all, it really is only a theory until you can prove it. Wouldn't it be better to give people the facts and let them make up their own minds? You gotta admit, "conspiracy theories" are rarely taken seriously."

"REALLY ONLY A THEORY UNTIL YOU PROVED IT."

Exactly...and what we should present here is as the old TV Show "FBI" used to say, "Just the facts mame!"
And that's what we should try and stick to, and I will when I get back here...why is I always am off to work, and pressed for time when I am here? LOL! I'll be back...

...and thanks Roka for starting this thread, and DaWacko for overseeing it--I missed you guys.

This is a HUGE thing Roka, and we will never cover the vastness of all the entire NWO here on this thread--trust me.
 
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