Top41 said:
He kind of put his body on display in front of the guy, too. There was a challenge there, and Danny was disgusted, but I sensed a personal undercurrent. Combining that with what we've seen throughout the show about how Danny seems to use/view sex, and I just think it could add up to something. Who knows if the writers will go there.
Him displaying his body = perhaps overdoing bravado? It can possibly be read as him trying too hard to be the tough guy in the moment; if he really had been sexually abused as a child, he would probably have been very perturbed at being in the presence of a paedophile, adult or not.
Should the writers go for it, I'm sure Carmine will hit straight out of the ball park as always!
Like Kimmy, I don't see it being Danny's dad or brother. More likely a close relative. Homicide: Life on the Street did a really powerful storyline with one of their male characters where it came out that the guy had been sexually abused by his uncle. I could see a storyline like that with Danny.
Yeah, I can see it being an uncle. In Criminal Minds, there was an episode that features a missing little girl who'd been sexually abused by her uncle, and her parents never knew it until she went missing and the BAU team had to find her. Danny would be less likely to report, say, a close relative whom his immediate family trusts implicitly than say, one of the Tanglewood boys. Danny would never have willingly gone with Louie to hang out with them if that was the case.
I do think it's interesting that he's never really the initiator when it comes to sex. In all his time of pursuing Lindsay, it really was pretty innocent as far as those things go. He didn't really make sexual innuendos, and in fact the one time it seemed like she was, he put up his hands and said, "Whoa, whoa, slow down there." He wanted to spend time with her, but he wanted to get to know her, not get her in the sack. When it came time for it, she was the one who made the move.
There's always the possibility he was only flirting with her the whole time but she mistook it for him being sexually interested in her, to the point he felt he couldn't back away without hurting her feelings. I will even go as far to say it could be he never intended for things to ever go beyond flirting and only wanted to be her friend. Him asking her out for dinner/lunch (and she turned him down both times) and him flying to Montana are hardly 100% definitive evidence that he's 'in love with her'. A mere good friend is just as capable of doing those things without any romantic connotation to it. And yes, speaking of Lindsay being the initiator,
she was the one who
tried to kiss him straight away after the trial.
Carmine also stated in one of his interviews that 'nothing happened between Danny and Lindsay before Snow Day' and that Danny 'had gone to Montana only as a friend'. So there ya go.
Since the consensus is that Danny sees sex as a commodity and puts no personal association/emotional investment in it, and that he uses sex to please people, the sex in Snow Day and his behavior the whole of season four fits right in with that theory. To him, it was very likely just another act to please, and nothing more, just like going out on lunches with her or watching movies together. I'll bet that, every time since Snow Day, she's the one who asks him out and not vice versa. His annoyance at her anger (unjustified, at that) for him turning down lunch hints at that. And I'll bet, every time, he'd say yes just to please her more than him wanting to do it.
I also think it was pretty clear that Rikki initiated with him the first time, too. When he saw what she wanted from him, then yeah, he wanted to give it to her. Hence, practically begging her to stay and coming on to her so she would--his first try was to make omelets, but when he saw that wasn't enough of an enticer, he went for sex knowing it would work.
I think he would have put out again to get Rikki not to move away.
Yeah, I won't be surprised if Rikki was the initiator of the sex. I highly doubt Danny would have made the first move in this case, even if we didn't have proof that he's not the initiator in other cases. In his mind, it was his fault Ruben died and there was no way Danny would have just jumped to the conclusion sex would bring comfort to Rikki unless Rikki showed some sign that it would.
Therefore, his main purpose in having sex with her was to
ease HER pain, not just his. If she showed even the slightest sign that it was truly hurting her, he would have stopped immediately. The last thing he would want to do is hurt her more.
And yes, I agree, if she had given him the chance, he would very likely have had sex with her again so she'd stay instead of move away and out of his life. His blatant expression of upset at merely hearing Rikki was moving away said everything.
In "Personal Foul," I absolutely think he wanted Lindsay to come over so he could offer her the one thing he figured she wouldn't say no to--sex. Danny seems to use it to appease people, and I think he was trying to do that with her there.
Definitely second this. He wasn't interested in talking, his question to Lindsay at the end of the call was, to me, a rather lame attempt at just getting her to go over to his apartment. He already said what he felt was enough to say, and when he realized it
hadn't been enough to please Lindsay and stop her being mad at him, he went for the 'big prize', so to speak.
To her credit, she didn't fall for the trap. And if what she said to Mac is any indication of her thoughts about getting involved with Danny and she's smartened up, she's never going to let herself fall for it again.
JellyBelly said:
I'm not sure about him 'putting out' to stop Rikki from moving away though because deep down I think he just wanted to know that she'd be okay, it didn't seem to me that it had anything to do with wanting to keep her close by.
I agree that Danny would want to know she would be okay. I think
Top41 was discussing the possibility of him doing that, not that he actually did offer sex or that was the only intent he had. But considering the fact that he
did do that before, in episode 4x16, it is more than likely that he would have done it again if Rikki hadn't said to him to 'just say goodbye', thus cutting off any chances of him trying that tactic.
And speaking of episode 4x16 and Danny and sex, I thought Danny's behavior towards Rikki and his dialogue was significantly different than with Lindsay in the season three finale. With Lindsay, it was as if once they'd done the deed, he didn't really respond to her unless she initiated conversation (again, proving the point he's not the initiator in regards to Lindsay). It was as if he was pleased with himself for finally having 'defused' the whole 'yes no yes no' situation and believed he'd 'placated' Lindsay. Heh, he could very well have used the excuse of taking her shift to put distance between him and her as soon as possible. His detached, even irritated answer to Lindsay's statement of 'thinking he'd left' was good proof of the distance already developing between them/him pushing her away.
With Rikki, however, as
Top41 mentioned, he practically begged her to stay, to the point of 'bribing' her with his special Messer omelette
and was the
initiator of sex the second time around. (Hmmm, maybe Danny could have been the one who initiated sex with Rikki after all.) He also said in his words to Rikki about
their pain that he wasn't just doing it for her, that he was doing it for himself too and confessed it straight out.
So if I had to choose one example of Danny putting out
only for the sake of pleasing the other person, it'll be Snow Day.
Ya know, I just realized we are having serious discussion in the Locker Room thread. :lol: Okay, guys, we gotta start posting pictures of the guy this thread's all about! :lol:
