Horatio & Yelina Thread #4 ~The Romantic Real Deal~

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Pusher said:
he is one big religious fanatic who kill for revenge and pray for forgiveness ... after this S5 start i won`t be surprise that he will use one of 10 God order - to not want the woman of ur neighbouring...

I saw him in the first episode of season 4 and I didn` t belive in his words of praying ... I just couldn` t see it ... I didn` t belive to Dc when he played it,
it seems they so try to make H looks almost saint ... and I so miss Yelina right now (nine episodes are done and a lot more in the future )
 
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polina, I wouldn't bother with Season 4, but instead go back to the wonderfully heady days of Seasons 1-3. ;) So much more rewarding on so many levels, I don't even know where to start!

One thing I did notice about 'Rio' was how they showed H and Y's reunion in slow motion. The episode itself may have lacked substance, but the writers clearly wanted this scene to have an impact. It was a little melodramatic, but it worked for me in a way. They also did this at the very end of the episode too as they said goodbye. Just thought I would mention that. :)
 
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Sorry guys I haven't posted in here earlier. Computer trouble came at the worst possible time.

Anyway, it's great to see Yelina back. I didn't like that the promo pics weren't actually footage. I think that was just a mean thing for them to pull and I'm disappointed in it.

Still, the H/Y scenes proved that these two have still got it and their scenes put a little spark into a pretty choppy episode. However, I agree that the Real H is still lost and that sort of put a shadow over their moments.

And inge thanks for posting the news from Corey Miller. Great news! :D Yelina has got her hands full this season getting the real H back and it's great to know she'll get more time to work with him ;)!
 
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Welcome back HnM. I was starting to get a bit worried!
Still, the H/Y scenes proved that these two have still got it and their scenes put a little spark into a pretty choppy episode.
I do agree with you. There were moments between them, particularly the exchanges of looks, that were as poignant as ever. I thought this part of the dialogue was nicely done:

Y: I'm sorry...I....you sent us here for a clean start.

H: It's not your fault.

There was real tenderness in his voice here, coupled with one of those expressions we are all too familiar with. ;)
 
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^ That was a nice moment. Plus, when Y said about a leopard never changing it's spots, there were a few meaningful looks exchanged. ;)

Very encouraging news about Sofia doing more episodes. :D

The promo pics were so misleading that we were bound to be disappointed by this episode. Very mean, as has been said.
 
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you're all very welcome re the news! :)
you should have seen my reaction. I got a huge smile on my face.

*sighs*
stop talking about the episode, some people here have to wait a year to see it. :p I read the dialogues and I'm thinking the whole time, 'I want to see the episode'.
and no caps about the whole episode so far.

of course, I'm only kidding.
I'm glad that you all wrote some dialogues and post pics and the rest is up to my imagination. ;)

I like your banner MD! :)
 
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nice to see u HnM, sorry for having problems with ur PC - hope now is ok ;)

They also did this at the very end of the episode too as they said goodbye. Just thought I would mention that.

errr ... in meaning goodbye to H/Y relationhsip ?! coz to me come this thoughts after the end of this epi. and now after this spiler news from inge that Y can play more few epis in S5 i keep wonder what will do Y characeter in this tv show ?!? will she be back in CSI M like cop or only part form H character history/family/story line ?! this show need one more female det. not only Frank. and for the next epi #502 'Going Under' did Stetler will ask H about Y or his bro ?! hope some turn/change after the 100th epi (as Ann D. keep talk) to have option for development H/Y relationship...don`t mind if it take new level - but i want to take one step forward...
 
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whaa...I have to rely on you guys about h/y relationship for season 5, for I have to wait 1 year to see season 5 in the cable and maybe 2 years to see it on local tv (duh, they had just started season 2....)....but I have seen the pics from the previos pages, and I couldn't help but to smile!!!
 
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I just saw “Payback” from season four. I `ve noticed how Horatio spoke with the victim of rape who killed her rapist. And before it I saw first meeting Horatio with Delko` s sister.
Am I wrong or Horatio likes that kind of women? It looks like he is more used to talk and all other things with such women – they need help, support and that` s what he can give them for sure – then with strong ones like Yelina. Does he afraid of them?

And thanks for detailed description of “Rio”. Until now I didn` t abandon my hope for Horatio and Yelina. It` s a big success they brought Sofia Milos back and from what I ` ve read her return was glorious like there was no a year of her absence.
 
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^ don`t think that H is afraid from strong womans. for me he need one like Y by his side. yes, he is addicted to victims and 'weak' peoples, coz he is so noble/gentle. the main part of his charatcer is to be holy hero...but if we talk for H relationship this connection with Aeroslo was so so wrong. as i know A character was bring in this tv show coz of Delko and his history, but at the last moment someone who look a lot like monster decide to marry H agrrrr....:mad: if we get back to S 1-3 even for some epis in S4 H alway have go out with strong and clever ladys. what about Rebecka ?! or this one who was kill in epi 'Under Suspicion'...both of them was connected with the law - theirs job/work. and this Aerosl just don`t tie with the picture ... or maybe this fiasco in S4 was unsuccessful try for H to run away from his real feelings...or his at last get so tired and it was more easily for him to keep going this way...in both case this is not H that we know and love...
 
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polina said:

Am I wrong or Horatio likes that kind of women? It looks like he is more used to talk and all other things with such women – they need help, support and that` s what he can give them for sure – then with strong ones like Yelina. Does he afraid of them?

This is a pointed observation your part, polina. I have often wondered about this aspect of H as well. Griffyn in his riposte to the horror of s4 said this of Horatio and his creators:

"It is axiomatic that Horatio Caine is tenaciously empathetic to the distressed and the downtrodden that cross his path, above and beyond measured expectation and reason. Indeed, he unerringly gravitates towards these unfortunates, these victims, with a Herculean zeal, determined to better their lot in any manner even in spite of themselves if necessary. Yet, it is these very victims who afford Horatio an avenue to channel his white-hot core of righteousness that seethes just below the surface. He assumes this self-imposed responsibility with all the steely avenging determination that has marked Horatio Caine from the very onset. If this were not enough, tack on a prodigious self-perpetuating guilt that shackles him at every turn."

As usual, Griffyn has nailed it to the mast. This "aura" of Horatio's, as dictated by his creators, places H in this sort of "Protector of All He Surveys". One wonders if there is a jot of "normalcy" in H's life. Almost all his interactions with others (aside from his staff and colleagues) are with the walking wounded and the dead. Is there a turn off switch for H? Probably not since he does not have a family life away from the pervasiveness of his work to connect and ground him to his "other self".

In this context, Horatio getting involved with M and going the extreme extra mile by marrying her, was really Horatio taking his work home with him. It was and is a very Horatio-like thing to do.

As for Y, H's comment to her in "Whacked" (after she smacked our dear Rick), of her not needing him is also telling. The way he has been written, Horatio simply has to save the day. To quote G again:

"...Yet, it is these very victims who afford Horatio an avenue to channel his white-hot core of righteousness that seethes just below the surface. He assumes this self-imposed responsibility with all the steely avenging determination that has marked Horatio Caine from the very onset..."

In a way, Horatio needs these victims as much as they need him when their paths cross; he is comfortable with these known relationship parameters. Unfortunately for him, he cannot apply these same parameters to Yelina; she just doesn't need him in this same manner. However, she is asking questions of him i.e. asking him to step outside his self-imposed emotional incarceration and allow the "real" Horatio a chance to live and be healed. Perhaps it is this sort of "questioning" which does frighten him.

It's ironic that for someone who's mission in life is to seek justice and peace for victims, Horatio cannot recognize that same desparate need in himself.
 
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Wow, these are all very interesting points. Pusher, it is true that H had relationships with 2 stronger women where Rebecca and Rachel were concerned. Not that we knew much about the later except that she was a lawyer I think.
Tally said: In a way, Horatio needs these victims as much as they need him when their paths cross; he is comfortable with these known relationship parameters. Unfortunately for him, he cannot apply these same parameters to Yelina; she just doesn't need him in this same manner. However, she is asking questions of him i.e. asking him to step outside his self-imposed emotional incarceration and allow the "real" Horatio a chance to live and be healed. Perhaps it is this sort of "questioning" which does frighten him.


It's ironic that for someone who's mission in life is to seek justice and peace for victims, Horatio cannot recognize that same desparate need in himself.
Exactly. If and when Horatio does eventually face up tp the reality of this, maybe we can move on. He is very much in his comfort zone and this side of things needs more development. He needs to be tested. That's why Yelina brings out the vulnerable in him; he is on emotionally challenging ground when it comes to his relationship with her.
 
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But don ` t forget Pusher that Horatio has left Rebecca. And with that woman -she ` s also dead. I just saw “Silencer” (where Delko learns that Horatio is seeing his sister, Marisol). I had a good look at their conversation in the beginning of the episode and if I may I` ll say that it is she who takes the lead in this relationships, it looked for me like she persuaded Horatio to date with her. And he showed no resistance. In support of my words even hacker from the lab during conversation with Ryan said that “She (Marisol) likes Horatio”. That` s why I think she made the first step and Horatio couldn` t say “no” taking into account that she `s very nice and ill (though I don` t believe in the last thing). But the most important thing that I ` ve notice observing Horatio / Marisol conversation – there was no chemistry that he used to have with Yelina. Yes Marisol is very nice, yes he smiled at her but … I felt nothing, I couldn` t see something that I used to love in Horatio / Yelina relationships. Though I really like the actress that played Marisol.

Horation is the man who wants to save all of people and , maybe, being with Marisol for him is the way he tries to save her from her pain, from her illness. As I have wrote some time ago I don` t think Horatio loves Marisol it looks more like compassion for me (plus he ` s got his heart broken after Yelina ` s leaving. I think it ` s the way he lives- trying to help himself by helping other people.

and

good times, I miss them so

Ys


HY
 
Re: Horatio & Yelina #4 ~'The Romantic Real Deal'~

Nice Fan Art there polina. Thanks for posting it. :)

I have no doubt that H's motivation for marrying Marisol was to make her happy and secure. He was driven by compassion, not love in the truest sense of the word. That's why we never saw any real affection between them, in the romantic sense. The only times he held her hand was when she was having chemo (even though she was miraculously in remission a week later!) and when she died. He did tell her that he loved her, and he probably did in a way, but that scene was not at all convincing. It felt very awkward and he seemed to say the words without any depth of feeling or real conviction.

H ended his relationship with Rebecca due to a clash of professional ethics. I think he quite liked her strong personality, but morally, she blew it and there was no going back for H.
 
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Lovely fanart polina. Thanks for posting them. :)

I agree with Lucy concerning Marisol. I, personally, never hated her on the show but I did think there wasn't any believable chemistry between her and H. I think that faulty bit can be blamed mostly on tptb. Still, it was good that she had someone like him to be with her at the end.
 
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