Horatio & Yelina Thread #4 ~The Romantic Real Deal~

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^ exactly, he die long time ago for his family. this remind for some very good posts from Destiny in Episode #501 'Rio' ***CONTAINS SPOILERS*** thread. there have a lot truth/thought about all this 'complexity' family. after i have read them start to ponder over this epi with new view :rolleyes:

but after all i can`t deny that Sofia was perfect as always in her role . for me she play the best her character without unnecessary drama or soup.
 
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Yelina has been through such a rollercoaster of emotions where Raymond is concerned, she's probably numb by now!

The use of the 'family' concept bothered me too. The amazing chemistry between H and Y was still as evident as ever, but the episode didn't sit right with me. I need to see it again really. I can't quite put my finger on it at the moment. H was indeed on a mission and there was little tenderness there.

Plus points: Seeing Yelina again was wonderful and she is back in Miami. :)

TPTB are very cruel to get our hopes up with those promo pics. I can only hope that more is to come further down the line.

Current mood: reflective, philosophical, but ultimately disappointed.
 
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elina suddenly seems hostile toward Raymond, while discussing his situation with Horatio, and says, "The only person Ray Caine cares about is Ray Caine." Ray Jr. suddenly appears, to defend his father. Horatio sends him on his way very quickly. Yelina fears, Ray Jr. will turn out like Raymond.
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that so breaks my heart. I mean I can't understand why she left with Ray, when she knew... this wouldn't work out.

and it is sooo wrong, because ray did what he did for his family... just apart what happened before. he got killed, so they could stay alive.

hearing yelina say ray cared only about himself... is so damn out of character...

it just ain't fair. i am so gonna criticise this episode just after i have seen it.
 
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snickergeek said
hearing yelina say ray cared only about himself... is so damn out of character...
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I agree with you on that. So far from what we've seen from Yelina in the past three seasons, she has always been supportive of Raymond, no matter what he was into. Perhaps that all changed once she found out he had been lying to them for so long, and that there was more to the story than what he told her.

But I'm sure there will be more H/Y scenes in the next few episodes. The events in the premier - in a way - trumped any possibility of calming down the plot to set aside some moment between them. I did however think near the end of the episode, was a nice indication that Yelina and Horatio won't be going their seperate ways. ;)
 
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I was dissapointed. Not the necessarily by the episode (I wasn't expecting anything good, so it didn't feel that bad), but by the Horatio/Yelina scenes. Apart from the last scene, their scenes did not spark like the old ones did.
I did admire the new attitude that Yelina appears to have: she doesn't take any crap! She's been up with too much.

And THANK GOD! that H didn't see hallucinations of Marisol, like some previous spoilers stated. That really would have been another big downer on the H/Y part.


Anyway..Yelina is back! :D
 
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...and the hits just keep on coming. :( Wankers. What was that you said some time ago, MD about leopards never changing their spots? We're not even talking Raymond here.

I find it ironical that the abjectly poor writing for this episode, really only had Raymond staying true to character aka his continued assine and ultimately suicidal behavior. Glad to hear Yelina give voice to calling a spade a spade. It was the raw truth.

Season 5 opener version of Horatio was distasteful and yet again, unrecognizable in its current offering. Even his moments with Y were verbally jarring albeit non-verbally their interplay was as tangible as ever. It must be the traumatic stress associated with Horatio's current Steven Seagal impersonation. One wonders if H is notching his belt to help him keep track of the body count.

Deflating and uninspiring but not wholly unexpected. Just when you thought THEY had reached rock bottom in s4, they continue to dig further. Beware! There be Monsters Here.
 
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I absolutely agree with you TallyHo.

I need to add that I actually found most of the conversations between Horatio and anyone, frankly to be almost torture to watch. Can't the man just stop for a minute and take a deep breath? It's almost saddening to think his character has deteriorated this much since season one.

I found his interaction with Yelina to be less than pleasant. It's as if they were co-workers, and not family at all. Only near the end of the episode, we had a small indication that Horatio still cared about Yelina the same way he did when she left for Brazil at the end of season three.

...*sigh*
 
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Indeed. *sigh*

Be that as it may, I have never considered H and Y as "family" in that blood sense of the word principally because the "family" vehicle was used as an oh so convenient guise and a repetitive excuse by Horatio where Y is concerned. Much safer. Less complicated.

To have this tired worn out non-believable vehicle yet again resurface in season 5 leaves a bad taste all around. With all that's happened, there is absolutely no need to keep at this charade. Mindless. Pointless. Bloody stupid.. Writers, take note, especially the "bloody stupid" part.

For the record, now that our dear Raymond is confrimed dearly departed, technically even that relationship-by-marriage tie between H and Y is also finally finito. The only "family" blood relations H has with Y is purely through RJ. Nothing more.

What's needed here is a true and honest realization by Horatio that hiding behind his safehouse idea of "family" is preventing him actually having the "family" he really needs; the "family" which has been there all along.
 
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What's needed here is a true and honest realization by Horatio that hiding behind his safehouse idea of "family" is preventing him actually having the "family" he really needs and who's been there all along.
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Absolutely right. This is exactly why the 'family' reference grated and it had a definite 'one step forward, two steps back' significance for me. The frustrating part is that the writers could have done so much with all that transpired with this episode, and they failed quite miserably to be honest.

There was, alas, a certain air of resignation about it. More later....
 
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speed_cochrane said:
So far from what we've seen from Yelina in the past three seasons, she has always been supportive of Raymond, no matter what he was into. Perhaps that all changed once she found out he had been lying to them for so long, and that there was more to the story than what he told her.
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Yeah. I mean, when they left, perhaps she hoped he could change but in a year, she realised there's nothing that can be done.

Oh come on. WHen H appeared to Y's house and Y saw him... wasn't there little of that what they had in s3? Just like in the ending scene.
 
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DaWacko said
Oh come on. WHen H appeared to Y's house and Y saw him... wasn't there little of that what they had in s3? Just like in the ending scene.
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I actually noticed a certain 'look' between them when they met up again at Yelina's house. I guess I missed it the first time. - It just wasn't as obvious as in season 1/2/3. It was more subtle this time.

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So you're right Ducky, there was something familiar about how they met up again, but other than that, there was no other scene like that. - Except the ending.
 
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See :)

And bit before that scene...when Y is putting flowers to vase and looks up and then to the window.

*sighs*
 
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Aw, Ducky, the looks were still there, I have no doubt about that. The 'vase' scene was touching - the way H paused at the window and she sensed he was there. That was delicately and nicely done. :)

Geni, those caps are lovely! Thank you. ;) The chemistry is undeniable. It was the dialogue that was a little off for me. Maybe it was because H was all detached and on a mission, or he was in mourning/angry/vengeful mode and therefore the writers didn't want to portray him being affectionate towards Yelina. There was a coldness about his delivery. As Tally put it:
Even his moments with Y were verbally jarring albeit non-verbally their interplay was as tangible as ever.
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Indeed, Yelina showed far more emotion towards him than vice versa. I loved the way she looked him right in the eyes, as always. Direct, honest, strong, but sympathetic too. It's about time the real Horatio stepped up to the mark.

I have more thoughts on this episode, but I will have to add them tomorrow. ;)
 
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*sneaks in*

Hi guys. I have to say actually seeing her and them, They do have really great chemistry, and I hope she stays for awhile.

*sneaks out*
 
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DaWacko said:

And bit before that scene...when Y is putting flowers to vase and looks up and then to the window.

*sighs*
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Hmm, looks like a duck, smells like a duck, sounds like a duck and yet... I virtually see your beak moving but I don't recognize these words coming out of your beak, Ducky. :devil:

Hey, Luce, could it be? Ducky's been converted to the pure romance of H and Y. Yowzah! :p

As for Sofia's perfomance, it was spot on. Even 1 year away from portraying Yelina didn't make a dent in her performance. As Lucy mentioned, all the usual Yelina character traits were in brilliant force by Sofia even in the face of dodgy dialogue. The dodgy dialogue is a result of a poor understanding of the H and Y dynamic. As usual for these two, the quiet intensity of their chemistry can and often overides irritating and unhelpful obstacles of this sort.
 
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