Horatio & Yelina #7: "So Much Unresolved Love" (we quote)

[Pusher]

Re: Horatio & Yelina #7 - "So Much Unresolved Love" (we quote)

^ love the pic and the epi, thanks Kit. how i wish to have re run of CSI Miami in my country - to watch it on big TV screen with BG dubbing *sigh*

most i like one Yelina quote : 'How long are we going to keep dancing around in circles?' - did i only think that here have big double meaning i also can`t forget the way H look at his hands till talk with Y... did he was embarassed

anyway... new question... if u are in Yelina place what are u going to do and make H at last open himself !? in meaning put ultimatum, invite him on a dance, go in some romantic restaurant etc. ....

if it was me i`ll paly all or nothing - push his buttons to the end and if again he don`t do something just leave him forever

EDIT when i come back online tomorow evening, can i count on u guys that someone will aks new question and i have to read a lot new posts ?

 

[Kit4na]

Re: Horatio & Yelina #7 - "So Much Unresolved Love" (we quote)

Pusher said:
how i wish to have re run of CSI Miami in my country

Here in Belgium we have 2 reruns each week. Very good if ur a csi miami freak like I am. Except when they're showing S4.. The same channel also shows CSI , CSI NY but only once a week and much later so I can't catch it if I have school the next day.. I think that in all those years they're showing CSI Miami it has never been replaced by any other program.. It's reruns after reruns, I'm happy that I've already seen epi 16-24 of S5 else I'd have to wait till S1 reruns are done.

Pusher said:
if again he don`t do something just leave him forever

That's HORRIBLE!

Well If I was Yelina, I'd go in for another kiss but this time do it quicker so he doesn't have time to tilt his head..

Okay I've got another question! How do you think the writers are going to do it? (let's just think that in the end they will okay?!)

I think first H/Y will get there routine back from S1-2. Than they'll share another look and maybe Yelina might say something about the barriers.. Horatio might smile back saying it's hard to resist the temptation these days. Yelina closes in on H, kissing him softly on the lips. :devil:

Pusher said:
EDIT when i come back online tomorow evening, can i count on u guys that someone will aks new question and i have to read a lot new posts ?

I think we can arrange that

 

[drgnldy]

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anyway... new question... if u are in Yelina place what are u going to do and make H at last open himself !?

It's going to take me awhile to mull this one over, mostly because there will be different answers depending on whether I'm wearing my magic specs or not! My knee-jerk response is always the realistic one, then I have to remind myself 'its them' and try to think surreal.

Later: Here’s my gut reaction (no specs!):
I think the best Y can do, and I’ve said this before, is to tell H that she is done with the past, and she needs him to not bring it to her table any more. The ball is then in his court, and he must decide whether he wants to play or not. And she has to decide whether she wants to wait around, or move ahead without him.

HE HAS TO MAKE THE FIRST MOVE. He has already said ‘no’ to her once, and even though there has been a lot of water under the bridge since then, from her perspective she has no reason to believe that he may have changed his mind. In fact, given the evidence of his marriage, she might believe that he’s completely over her. The attraction and affection they have always felt for one another is still there, but we know (and she knows) that for him that means squat. For all she knows, that “always taking care of her” thing might just be a symptom of the eternal (infernal! :devil obligation he feels toward his ‘family’. (I hate it when he uses that word! ) Yes, she is a strong and confident woman, but does she have the courage to attempt going there again, with no indication from him that he’s willing? Of course, we don’t know what’s been going on ‘behind the scenes’ lately. It all depends on the context in which the writers place them when we see them again – discovering them ‘in situ’ as it were!

Okay I've got another question! How do you think the writers are going to do it?

God knows.

I don’t want H to get hurt and Y take care of him, because he – being H – might then feel obligated to be generous to her in return. Sort of ‘settling’ for the life she wants because he ‘owes’ it to her. He ‘settled’ for M. We know he thinks like that. And I don’t want Y to be hurt or in danger, because the panic and concern he would feel would just bring back his failure to protect M, and we definitely DO NOT want her in the middle of this! It could be that RJ is injured in some way, but again I don’t want it to be about obligation to family (dead bro). In this context we would have to focus on his admiration for Y – being strong, and a good mother - and never mind the fact that RJ is Raymond’s son. Now H needs to focus on the fact that RJ is Y’s son.

But I don’t really want something drastic to bring them together. I want them to consciously decide that’s where they want to be, and go forward like two aware, mentally healthy adults. (Now that would be surreal! :lol


Come back soon, Pusher.

 

[Lunalove]

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Kit4na said:
I think first H/Y will get there routine back from S1-2. Than they'll share another look and maybe Yelina might say something about the barriers.. Horatio might smile back saying it's hard to resist the temptation these days. Yelina closes in on H, kissing him softly on the lips. :devil:

I'm with you on this one, Tati. I swear my entire neighbourhood will hear me *squeee* if that happens! :lol:

 

[Hrockz]

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I just want to say that I'm not sure H grieved over Marisol. I think 'Rio' was jsut a brainless reaction to her death, not so much like he would cry over her death. I can imagine if it was Y who died, H would go beserk kill everyone responsible then cry his eyes out. But no Y WILL NOT DIE. It was just a hypothetical statement.

If I were Y I'd give H an ultimatum. I mean he's real handsome and charming and all but I won't wait for him forever. It's like do you love me or not? Act now or I'm gone. Although she knows he still has feelings for her, I think it wouldbe unfair to expect her to wait forever.

How do you think the writers are going to do it?

No idea. I just want them to do it, get H/Y together. But I like the scenario of H and Y becoming good friends and being close again, re-ignite the old flame then one night at the beach or over dinner, they'll kiss. Alternatively I Think they might throw in some guy who's interested in Y, H notices then dosen't want to repeat the same mistake as with Rick, so he fesses up to her that he's loved her all along.

My dream scenario of course is H getting hurt, if the spoilers are still true, and Y being by his side and they both realise they can't live without each other.

Fic update:
http://talk.csifiles.com/showflat.php?Ca...ID=#Post1216567

 

[drgnldy]

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Ooohhh! People talking while I was editing - almost missed it!

I just want to say that I'm not sure H grieved over Marisol.

I don't think so either, but you know he has that guilt thing going on. About everything. I think he would feel guilty if he didn't put some effort into grieving for a dead wife. Just because she wasn't the love-of-his-life, doesn't mean he didn't have real affection for her and regard for her as a human being. I think he could feel lots of guilt over the way she died - something else that's 'all his fault.' We know he thinks this way. I hate it, but he does. H being H, I'm pretty sure he wouldn't toss all the M stuff out so easily, 'cause that would make him feel guilty!!!!! He needs a 12 step program for his guilt addiction!

I can imagine if it was Y who died

Don't EVER think this, and definitely don't say it out loud!

But no Y WILL NOT DIE

Thank you!

 

[Hrockz]

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Yeah you're right knowing H he'll have his guilt issues. But he needs to work past it, it's excess baggage he doesn't need. But I don't think it'll hinder him from being together with Y, if anything it gives them something in common, both having lost a spouse. Even if it was his spouse for a day :lol:

To be honest, she'd have died from the cancer anyway, i mean that was how they intended it, in the beginning when Eric was telling H his sister didn't have long to live, then she suddenly she was in remission? Puuleeze!

But I'd like get so mad if tptb allow that stupid Marisol storyarc to get in H/Y's way. It sucked big time and tptb should just act like it never happened since they're not great with continuity most of the time.

 

[Kit4na]

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Well the Marisol arc just showed what kind of a guy our H is. He'll try to help everybody .. even by marrying them. Did he love her? No I don't think so. Did he marry her because Y was gone? No. He married her out of pity. If Yelina would've been around he never would've gotten married, cause I think he also knows it's not right to marry someone just out of pity..

+ If he would've gotten married with Y around I think she would've been SO jealous she would've just offered herself to our beloved H. :lol:

 

[drgnldy]

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But I'd like get so mad if tptb allow that stupid Marisol storyarc to get in H/Y's way.

I agree. If it was so bad the first time around, it would be horrible to air that laundry again. We can but hope that we never hear the name M again.

I really would like it to be simple. I'm just so used to tptb screwing things up and introducing ridiculous scenerios. I always expect the worst!

I absolutely agree with what you said, Kit, about marrying M out of pity (and because she asked).

 

[Kit4na]

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Oh well who knows what else they would've come up with to keep H/Y apart. Somehow i'm happy it was the Marisol part, cause in the end she died! It's over! But she did marry H :'( *nooooooooooooooooo* Seriously I was shouting at my TV when they were getting hitched.. and I normally don't do that!

 

[drgnldy]

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Any body got any nice pictures?

 

[ametista]

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Pusher said: if u are in Yelina place what are u going to do and make H at last open himself !? in meaning put ultimatum, invite him on a dance, go in some romantic restaurant etc. ....

Well, I think ultimatum wouldn’t work well. I think it would only make H distance him from Y even more.
H opening up and relaxing, that would be something that would take a while. Well, I always got the impression that H kinda avoids being alone with Y, and I mean really alone, just the two of them, even when he comes over Yelina’s place Ray, Jr. is there. Don’t get me wrong, I like a lot that H is so caring, attentive towards his nephew. When H comes over Yelina’s and the boy is there, it’s like a ‘safety net’ for him, because I think that if H was left in informal/intimate setting with Y alone, his control would break and he’d act on his feelings, meaning - kiss her, or something like that.
So I’m thinking Y invites H for dinner at her house. H comes thinking that it’s a family dinner (him, Yelina & Ray, Jr.), only to find out that Ray, Jr. nowhere to be seen, and when he asks, where is Ray, Jr. Yelina says something like: “Oh, he’s spending the night at his friends house”. I can just image H face, when he realizes that the dinner he came for is a romantic dinner for two, and that he’s all alone with Yelina in the house :devil:

I think this way it would work out better, instead of H knowing in advance about dinner date, because then he’d have time to put on his defences/barriers.

But I think, nothing significant will happen until H understands, that it is okay to be happy, that world would not break apart, if he relaxes and enjoys life. He’s so used to suffering/angst, that I feel like happiness is kinda foreign concept to him.

Tati’s question: How do you think the writers are going to do it?

That is hard to tell. All I can say is how I don’t want it to happen – I said that in previous thread, and I say it again, I don’t want Y getting hurt, so that H would finally act on his feelings.

Continuing fav H/Y scenes, I’d like to add one more. I don’t know what ep it’s from, but it’s when they’re in the beach and talking about what would you do if you found a treasure? H avoids the question, because what he thinks and can’t say out loud is: “I don’t need to look for treasure, because my treasure is standing right before me.”

And one more thing… this is my 100 post, yay!

 

[drgnldy]

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Well, I always got the impression that H kinda avoids being alone with Y, and I mean really alone, just the two of them, even when he comes over Yelina’s place Ray, Jr. is there. Don’t get me wrong, I like a lot that H is so caring, attentive towards his nephew. When H comes over Yelina’s and the boy is there, it’s like a ‘safety net’ for him

I have thought this also, but never knew how to put it into words. I think from the context of 'Burned,' that he was happy enough to just see/talk to RJ, and not have to deal with the Y issue. I think that H will do anything to avoid having to deal with certain issues, and regularly practices avoidance behavior in order to keep from having to do so. I think that on one hand he would like to see her, but on the other, she represents 'rough waters' for him, and he would be content not having to go there. This is what I mean when I say he is passive in this relationship. He does not want to be pushed to a place where he has to make choices if the status quo can be maintained. So this is where the thorn must be placed - something must happen to upset the status quo.

Congratulations, ametista, on your 100th post! *throws confetti*

 

[Kit4na]

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Ooh I love ametista's scenario of H being alone with Y having dinner at her place!

I just came back from school! I'm through!!!! So what i'm gonna do is do a specialisation year so next year I graduate *yippie* Monday I'll know how many I have on economics etc

 

[drgnldy]

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Wow! *throws more confetti* Congratulations Kit! Must feel good to be finished for awhile.

So many things to celebrate. Maybe soon we'll hear something about Sofia, and then it will really be party time!