Horatio & Yelina #6: A Sense of Belonging - So Say We All!

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Lucy said: Then we can just sit back and soak up the wonderful H/Y chemistry and we could even insert our own hugs and dialogue. I think our version would be far more inspiring! :D

So Say We All ! :D Btw I wacth all movies and tv shows with subtitles. What about some one to write new scripts different from TPTB and to send me e-mail asap. :lol:

In other shows that I really like, there is stimulating, flowing character development permeating through the storytelling. It's so fulfilling and rewarding when writers get the formula right.

Yes, this is truth. I feel sad for CSI Miami (or for my self) ...err...no, no I just don`t care for this tv show from long time. And even Yelina to be back in S6, I don`t think that one swallow can make spring. Why SM to lose her time with CSI Miami (re epi like this season finale)?! Also I start to ask my self did H deserve to have back Yelina in his life ?! :rolleyes:

Thanks guys for all this lovely icons. :D

Kit hope your friend to find her way back to home soon.
 
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Sorry Kit to hear your news of your friend. Hope she returns home soon. Nasty world out there. Love your icons. Wish I could do my animated ones like you do. I think those are soooooooooo cool. Thanks. Also glad you liked my WP. Feedback is much appreciated. Thank you.
 
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I just don`t care for this tv show from long time. And even Yelina to be back in S6, I don`t think that one swallow can make spring.
I know what you mean. I still care a little, but I have got so used to the disappointments, the mostly very poor writing and as Tally so aptly put it earlier, H's 'one dimensional martydom' which has become beyond tiresome. I am almost past caring now.

Does H deserve Yelina back in his life? Now there's a good question. ;) Answers on a postcard please.....

Kit, sorry to hear about your friend. :( I hope they return safe and well.
 
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Katpin - I'm glad to hear that about your husband. I hope he makes a speedy recovery.

Kit - That's really horrible, concerning your friend. Hopefully, she'll call someone soon and at least let everyone know she's okay.

lieueitak again, very well put. I think you're one of the rare few who have a differing opinion from most of the people on this thread. And I share your opinion, just that you've managed to put it into words for me.
Glad to hear someone agrees with me. I was beginning to think I was the only one who felt this way.

As for things turning too "soapy" in an H/Y relationship, I don't see that happening. With this pair, TPTB have always erred on the side of caution. When we have progress, it's slow, and it's usually followed by a period where the issue isn't touched at all. Or followed by some angst for the two. For instance, after Y finds out that Madison exists, we get very little contact between H and Y in the next few episodes.

But more generally speaking, Miami has always been a plot-driven show; most procedural dramas are, and so most of each show is about the case itself. And considering the writers are cramming a process, which normally takes weeks if not months, into a forty-five minute show, there really isn't a lot of time for personal life drama.

In other words, character development is secondary to the plot (in this case, a crime), as proscribed by the genre. It doesn't mean there's NO progression or that the characters are one dimensional necessarily; those things occur, but they aren't usually the focus of an episode and instead help push the plot in explicit and implicit ways. In order for TPTB to truly take H/Y to soapy levels, they'd have to spend a lot more time focusing on that couple and place the plot secondary. And why are they going to do that when some of TPTB still fixate on the Marisol disaster and when they don't even have Sofia Milos on tap?

I know that Lucy and some others have mentioned BSG and House, but I think it's important to understand that those shows have fundamentally different needs. BSG, being in the sci-fi genre, has both the time to spend on characterization, as well as the need for it. With a cop show, it's not hard for people to understand/accept these characters. They can buy into the premise because it's real and tangible. With anything sci-fi/fantasty, the writers have to clearly define the world and also show that these people are still human and someone you can relate to. House is somewhere in between. The world is something we already understand, but strong characterization is need - or else, people would write House off as a jerk/Nazi doctor. :p

The genres are different for these shows, and so, it's not very fair to compare them in that way. When you compare CSI:M to other shows in its genre, it's not that out of the ordinary in the way the characters are written.

On another note, does Horatio deserve Yelina back in his life? I think that no one deserves another person in his/her life. We are merely lucky to know the people we love and respect, and the best we can do is try to honor their presence as much as possible.
 
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Thanks for the support, I appreciate it.

Horatio is someone with a lot of emotional baggage. But that doesn't mean he doesn't deserve to be happy with Yelina. I think she can actually help him get through it all. That's something I would like to see, him opening up to the woman he has always loved. When they can take care of that, they can be together. Eventually they have to end up together, what else have the writers been building up all those years?

I still have faith in those writers, my god they brought her back! They could've just written her out after she left in the s3 finale! They did it with Suzy & Madison.. but okay they weren't as important as Y but still..

As long as they don't write any more heart ache for H/Y I am there biggest fan.. Afterall if the dialogue sucks, the googling between H/Y still gives me a run for my money!
 
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^ Men, why you again misunderstand and misinterpret ours words. Also no need to take everything so literally - re ours comparison CSI Miami with BSG and House M.D.. The picture is more big and you have to read between the lines.

I`m going to repeat my self (and others bunch of posters thoughts): The trick and magic to success for one tv show is when writers get the formula right - good mix between characters and plot line development. For me this miss too long time in Miami. Even guys who are not H/Y shippers too are disappoint from the poor wirting this days. (see the posts in Miami forum). Yes, we know that this tv show is crime one! But long time ago as u say we have so brilliant done H/Y relationship (re 'When we have progress, it's slow, and it's usually followed by a period where the issue isn't touched at all.'). Tell me what we have now?! I just can`t keep my attention whole 45 min over this so child's naive crime case and characters development. I just want we again to have interesting and curious epi like (S 1-3), coz of this I search for and find relief in others more qualitative tv shows out there.

Btw yesterday when someone make post/comment for possible "soapy" in H/Y relationship in the future... I don`t see/read that till now we have soup there... For me this is only little fear that with this monsters in Miami we can expect they to rush and ruining ours fav couple in the end. With this H around Yelina I won`t be surprise at all. And yes I`m surprise, coz in S5 we have Yelina - the one we know and for me TPTB have done good job - re keep justice to her charatcer. If they try to bring the Real H step by step I`m all for Yelina back in S6 ;)

In the end I get little confounded - you always say that Horatio is fiction charatcer and it`s normal to have drama/angst in his story line, but at the same time you defend the fact that all his woe is so real :rolleyes:
 
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They could never ruin H/Y :p Well they'd have to do a lot, like kill her off or so.. Than i'd personally go over to tptb & strangle them..

Don't ever think they're going to take this the soapy way. The only way they might make it soapy is to bring in other couples into the show like E/C. Which I find forced upon us, there was no real chemistry to start with. They're just really good frieds, no offense to the E/C fans out here ;)

By the way how GOOD was it to see the real H again in "Burned"? Gotta love it that after all this time she can still make him smile like a shy schoolboy :lol:

And the most important part, nobody else ever can/did!

*runs off to see the CSI NY finale*
 
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Also no need to take everything so literally - re ours comparison CSI Miami with BSG and House M.D.. The picture is more big and you have to read between the lines.
If I can't take your words at face value, then what should I take them as? If I've misunderstood your words, feel free to correct me. As it is, I don't see how I've misinterpreted the obvious love for House and BSG.

The trick and magic to success for one tv show is when writers get the formula right - good mix between characters and plot line development
And my point is that the formula for this sort of drama requires plot to come before character development. It's not the same for other kinds of dramas.

Tell me what we have now?
This season I think what we've gotten is the aftermath of Marisol for Horatio's character. And even broader than that, we're seeing the results of Horatio sticking Yelina on that plane with Raymond. That H and Y have drifted apart is a development. Not a great one (and probably one born out of not being able to get SM back), lol, but one nonetheless.

you always say that Horatio is fiction charatcer and it`s normal to have drama/angst in his story line, but at the same time you defend the fact that all his woe is so real
I don't see what's so confounding about that. I'm saying Horatio is not a real person. :) I'm saying that being a character on a TV show means that his life is going to be comprised solely of interesting moments - both good and bad; you're not going to have a show about Horatio being bored on a Friday night and going to bed early.

I'm also saying that, in terms of "bad moments," what Horatio has experienced is what people in real life experience. Horatio's not real; his life is dramatized, but it nevertheless accurately reflects crime statistics and the bad things that happen in this world.

I'm not saying that the execution of their ideas is perfect. Far from it! But I don't believe for a second that all of those controversial ideas are horrible and/or somehow OOC.

By the way how GOOD was it to see the real H again in "Burned"? Gotta love it that after all this time she can still make him smile like a shy schoolboy
Hehe, :) I love how he smiles at her. So cute. I really hope we get more SM next season.
 
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Kit4na said:
They could never ruin H/Y :p Well they'd have to do a lot, like kill her off or so.. Than i'd personally go over to tptb & strangle them..

You and me both, Kit!
 
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Thank you, could use the backup!

Well CSI NY is going into overdrive with the relationships - Montana & Messer, Mac & Peyton. And CSI LV well they have Grissom & Sara. It'so our turn now! Make it happen already writers ;)

Oh and I just had to post these pictures.

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H: I love you more than anything else in the world, Yelina

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Y: I love you too. Let's get hitched :devil:

:lol:

That's IMO what they were saying to each other! Who needs great dialogue when you have such looks between them..
 
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I'll run off to strangle them too Tati, if they kill off Yelina, so that makes the three of us.

Does H deserve Y? I think he does. She's the only one who can bring out the best in him. And after such a sad past, he deserves to be happy. And vice versa, Y hasn't had it easy with Ray either and she deserves a man who'll take care of her. I'm sure H will do that, even tptb can't really screw that up, they've done a good job H/Y-wise thus far. So I think yes they deserve to be together. They're just so made for each other.

Love the caps Tati, I can so see them saying that to each other. Great doesn't even describe how awesome it was to have Y back and see him act like his old self with Y again in 'Burned'. And I hope your friend comes back soon.

Well CSI NY is going into overdrive with the relationships - Montana & Messer, Mac & Peyton. And CSI LV well they have Grissom & Sara. It'so our turn now! Make it happen already writers
My thoughts exactly! Give us some reflief and get some of the Miami characters together already, and I don't mean E/C either, no offense to the E/C fans. I mean H/Y has been dragged out way too long compared to E/C or any other Miami ships.

I think that no one deserves another person in his/her life. We are merely lucky to know the people we love and respect, and the best we can do is try to honor their presence as much as possible.
Awww, thanks for reminding me. *runs off to hug and kiss husband*
 
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Lucy said:


Does H deserve Yelina back in his life? Now there's a good question. ;) Answers on a postcard please.....[/b]

Hee. We're back to "answers on a postcard", eh? :) Now that is an interesting question raised by pusher and yourself.

In his present state, probably not as Y would be exchanging one Caine liability for another as H's emotional self is two sizes too small. Horatio has hit rock bottom in his self-imposed exile from the other parts of his humanity and yet he continues to dig further. He's not quite ready to be "saved" yet. Perhaps in S6 tptb will allow Horatio to have an epiphany and be worthy of Y's steadfast feelings for him.

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Hey pusher, What do you hear?
pusher: Nothing but the rain.
Grab your gun and bring in the cat.

Ok? :)
 
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As it is, I don't see how I've misinterpreted the obvious love for House and BSG.
I don't believe Pusher was saying that this part has been misinterpreted. ;) As Pusher said, it is the 'bigger picture' we are referring to, in terms of quality of writing. I think it is entirely fair to compare writing standards, regardless of genre. They are all TV dramas.

Most of us here held the writing on CSI:Miami in quite high regard from Seasons 1-3. Our disappointment relates to what the show has become since then. Same show, same genre. Maybe Steve Maeda's influence on the show really was that significant. I tend to believe it was and that it is no coincidence that his departure marked the start of Miami's drop in writing standards, as far as many of us are concerned.

On another slightly related point, BSG and House have received much critical acclaim. CSI:Miami has received very little, if any, over the past couple of seasons. The British press certainly treat it as a joke of a show these days. The gulf in the calibre of writing is incomparible only because it is so vast.

Evidently, fans all over the world are still entertained by it, and if it floats their boats, then great. It just doesn't float some of ours anymore. Each to their own and all that. I think we need to just accept this and move on. :)
 
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Well..............as I've already stated Yeline brings out the best in Horatio. He lights up like a Christmas tree when she's around. These are some thoughts posted at the DC board about what they think is happening with our show. Have changed some words.


As for the Donahue misleads -I don't even think she's bothering that much with the show, anymore. I think she and Mendleson and Zuiker have abandoned ship which is evident in how the show has lost any trueness to it's own canon.


On The Early Show video clip, Emily Proctor
said "that in order to set CSIM apart from the other CSI
shows they had to take a different spin, and she thinks David was really quite smart in the choice that he made cause their show is the more fantasy, it's more glamorous, in alot of ways it's more of a comic book style version of the show."

Now if you look at the show as a comic book being made into a tv show, some of it is easier to watch because you're no longer looking for anything realistic or any kind of continuity to be there. I just hope they don't start making superhero Horatio wear a cape with his suit.

As far as Ann Donahue, she is supposed to be vague and misleading about spoiling the show, but for the last several years she just flat out lies. There's no point in listening to anything she says anymore. Actually I thought she did still have alot to do with CSIM still but neither of the other two do.

I guess what frustrates me is they make this big deal about something that's going to happen in the show but they always forget about it soon after it airs. Eric injury and he's back to work the next week. Ryan gets fired, but of course he's back in a couple episodes. Horatio finally puts Clavo behind bars and of course eventually he has to catch him again. They only big thing they've followed through with is killing Speed and that's probably only because Rory Cochrane was gone. It's kind of hard to get excited by these big fantastic storylines when a week or two later it's like it never happened at all.



What do ya think? Sorry if this didn't belong here but, figured since we were talking about the show.
 
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Well the writers certaintly feel they can get away with everything. They still think the Marisol storyarc was great while maybe 70% of the viewers totally hated it.. (Sorry that i have to connect everything to H/Y but this is the H/Y thread so :p )

I'm pretty sure they'll never pull one like that with H/Y. Because the writers themselves adore the couple. They love how complicated it all is, how much stuff is said between them just by looking at each other..

Currently I think the last 3 episodes of S5 really reminded me of S1-2-3. There was some humor, and one of the epis had Yelina (whoei!) the only thing missing was that the casses didn't always seem believable.. I found the s5 finale excellent, owkay there's no big BOOM as there should be in a finale BUT the crime was actually believable and entertaining AND they didn't just bring Ryan back, he has to work everything out to be put into the field again. So if we get SM back on S6 as a regular I think we'll return more or less to S2-S3.

I hate that AD dares to lie to us.. I'm never gonna believe her again :p
 
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