Grade 'The Party's Over'

[Railynn]

I do not think this was one of NY better episodes by far, but what I really really want to know is were in the 5 seasons of New York was it ever stated that Danny comes from a mob family?? Now I’m not saying I wasn’t surprised at all that Danny said he comes from a cop family cause I was, and I think it was kind of a statement that came out of left field, but just cause you assumed something that ended up not be true doesn’t mean the writers are wrong. Cause until it’s stated on the show it’s not a fact.
Now I know there was the scene in the dinner in season 1 with Danny and Flack were Danny talked about the system having you in their sights and all that, but that doesn’t mean that Danny's family is in the mob or that their some kind of criminals, I grew up in a bad neighborhood and always felt like the cops were watching me, and I've never been arrested or associated with any kind of crime so that could be the same with Danny or maybe he did stupid things as a kid and got arrested. Again doesn’t mean his family can’t be cops. Again I don’t feel like it was a Danny story. I don’t feel like Danny would leave a crime scene, it felt very OOC, for him but it was never stated that Danny family is in the mob, just that Louie was a Tangle wood boy.

I also want to know why was there like next to no Flack?? Even with the blue flu flack still could have been in more than 2 scenes. And it was weird that Flack showed up more than a half hour in and just went to work, so clearly he wasn’t supporting the blue flu since he worked while it was still going on so why wasn’t he in more of the episode?

I did love Adam storyline; he was so cute with the little boy. And I liked Craig T. Nelson as Robert Dunbrook, I liked that he was and will continue to be a thorn in Mac side but he wasn’t just a jerk he had reason to be a jerk he wasn’t a jerk for no reason at all.

 

[Carrieattheprom]

As I said in the other thread I felt bad for Hawkes when the case got thrown out. However, something about that scene bugs me:

What if Danny really and truly had been sick and couldn't make it to court? Or he got hit by a cab or something? Would it still be his fault if the case got thrown out? Yeah, it probably wasn't wise of him to play hookey, but I don't really think it's fair to blame Danny completely.

I was also wondering where Flack was. Honest to God, I had started to wonder if maybe he had the Blue Flu too and he was the one who had called Danny away from the crime scene.

Lindsay and Hawkes debate was really interesting. I think it's kind of neat when both sides can bring up legitment points.(Though I'd agreed with Hawkes.)

Danny said he came from a family of cops. Apperently one of the show's writers had read that one CSI:NY novel that had said the same thing. That sure sounded like immediate family to me.

If he had meant family in the metaphorical sense, he would have said, "These guys are like family to me, I feel I should stand by them."

That could lead to Stella saying that he had a real family on the way and he needed to get his priorities straight.

I like Stella's new boyfriend, they were cute together. Hopefully he'll stay sane and alive, and any break ups will be of the healthy kind.

 

[Elwood21]

So many good comments from everyone already.

Gave it a C-. It had me doing a head-tilt WTF at the whole show. A completely flotsam and jetsam compilation of stuff.

Hodgepodge barely knit together it was, and so's my response.

When's Stel gonna get a date uninterrupted by drama? Can't take her anywhere apparently. Which is a shame, because she looked good. As for her bucket boy, well, he really is kinda bland and anonymous isn't he. But I guess after all the previous drama with men, a few undemanding fun nights out with a cute fireman is completely understandable. His utter willingness to divest himself of clothing on her behalf was somewhat amusing.

Interesting choice to have Danny leave off due to blue flu. Didn't do much for him, in my books. Best parts resulting from that were Hawkes and Stella. And yes, for all how I think cops are overworked and underpaid and taken for granted, I was hard pressed to sympathize with Danny in particular.

Yay Hawkes, in calling Danny on it. Interesting scene between Hawkes and Lindsay too. Thought Hawkes was a little bit of a softie in the end when Danny came back. Mighta been interesting to have a little residual tension linger since Sheldon wound up in the hot seat due Messer, with significant consequences. Yay Stella for being pissed off, for retorting "no, I'm not alright" at Lindsay, and then going over to see Danny. With chicken soup. To Go. I'm liking Stel this season a lot.

SuperMac chasing a perp with a plastic bag in a tux was funny. Amused me. Because it had to be Supermac, chasing a perp with a plastic bag in a tux on the streets on a night out. And Mac's another one you just can't seem to take anywhere without shit going down. Mighta been nice if they'd at least tried to give that kind of scene to someone else for a change (Sheldon in a tux, anyone?), but eh, I guess only the senior cops in Mac and Stella got invited.

Speaking of. Another episode where someone 'important' like a prominent politician got murdered. So much for the average folk of New York. Also, pegged the kid pretty early on, despite the runaround with Dunbrook et al. And just, um, sidenote, ...ripping one's eyelashes out? ...yargh.

Not much Flack this week. And for shame, Donnie, in not thinking a little outside the box to peg 'Adam' as Ross? Well, shame on the writers for only giving him that much to contribute.

Sid, yet another brief appearance of someone I always like to see more of. "Mighta considered a different bag to go with that dress..." was fun. Being nosy about Stella's date was mildly disconcerting, but I suspect it was simply a less than subtle vehicle to mention the name "Brandon Walsh" one more time out loud to make sure we all had opportunity to recall him from the earlier ep this season.

Adam, yes Adam was the eppie's gem. AJ was great. But I enjoyed his initial scene finding and talking to the boy, more than the interrogation at the end. As moving as his performance at the end was, the final scene seemed somehow separate from the whole ep. I dunno, just the whole flow of the show was stilted, and again it was an episode of vignettes. No matter how good some of them were. Not the most cohesive eppie ever.

And wow but Craig T. Nelson did smarmy well. I liked him as Dunbrook a lot, which surprises me, because I often find prescribed Nemesis eppies predictable and tiresome. I think I'm actually gonna like his ongoing involvement. Julia Ormond was okay. But the last scene with her did irritate me a little bit. "...so long as the money's clean, what does it matter?" Um, someone effectively buying the NYPD? That matters. No sum of money like that is dispersed without something likely to come back and bite somebody in the ass bigtime. Because she came across as politically saavy in her other eppies, this bit didn't sit well. But TPTB seem to be on a rollercoaster as far as consistency goes of late.

And yes, of course, Messer from a family of cops. I was another one who interpreted that as an out and out regression from his S1 incarnation. :wtf: C'mon now. I'm hard-pressed to take what he said in any metaphorical manner. It wasn't even necessary to mention something like that, not even as a way to try and bolster Danny's stand with some kind of credibility like that.

Just another moment that continues to erode what I thought I could rely on in my understanding of who these people are from five seasons' worth of exploration, and my overall respect and stubborn weekly hope for the show.

It's exasperating.

 

[racefh853629]

If Danny showed himself for a true ass, then Adam showed himself for a treasure. I loved his scenes with the Deputy Mayor's son and his oblique revelation of his own experiences with OCD. Adam truly is a gentle soul, with none of the bluster and bravado that sometimes causes the other characters to grate on the nerves. I'm not surprised that the boy felt safe with Adam. I felt safe with Adam. Hell, I'd tell him anything. His manner is so unassuming that it's hard not to want to confide in him.

I think that was what made that scene so emotional for me. It was very unassuming, very relaxed. He sat on the same side of the table as the kid, at his level, talked at the kid's level. He was so sweet and so gentle that he was just so easy to talk to.

I agree with you. I'd tell him anything too. He's gentle, caring, and unlike most of the detectives and CSIs, he hasn't been hardened by experiences and things he's seen. He shows his soft side with the tear that falls down his cheek. While that's not good for every interrogation, it's good for the kid, and I think ti bakes that scene that much better.

 

[MacsGirlMel]

I now think Flack would have been better with the flu storyline than Danny.

Which novel had that part about Danny's family? I'm blanking for some reason.

ROFL @ 'studly fireman hotpants'

 

[Half]

I think I voted too soon on the episode. I must say that I not disagree with my "A".

Likes:
-Adam's scenes. All of them. Yay.
-Mac wasn't in charge all of the time like he usually is. Stella got to play leader.
-I actually didn't find anything particularly wrong with Lindsay's scenes.

Dislikes:
-The entire episode could have been done in 10 minutes.
-Why did no one question the kid, who was hiding?! And, like, the victim's kid??
-Danny is not from a family of cops, thank you very much...
-Why give the $20,000,000 to Mac? Was he nominated the official check-acceptor of the NYPD?
-The murder itself was pretty unbelievable... How did the blood get on the tile? How did the kid manage to strangle his father, when the man was much larger and should have been able to throw him off? Why did the kid move the body? How did the kid move the body of someone much heavier than him? How did that balloon net support the weight of a dead body? How is it that none of the balloons popped when a body was dropped on them? Too many questions for one murder.

No Opinion:
-FireGuy. I can't decide if I like him or not.
-Gillian. I also can't decide if I want her back or not.


If I could re-vote, I'd give it a "C". I know, massive opinion-jump, but I hadn't really thought fully about the episode when I voted.

 

[Faylinn]

Railynn said:

were in the 5 seasons of New York was it ever stated that Danny comes from a mob family?? ... just cause you assumed something that ended up not be true doesn’t mean the writers are wrong. Cause until it’s stated on the show it’s not a fact.

They've never outright said that Danny's family is involved with the mob, but it has been implied a couple of times. One telltale sign is Louie. From "Tanglewood":

Danny: All their fathers, they're all connected. These kids, believe me, are more made than the made guys. Nowadays it ain't the mobsters you gotta worry about, it's the next generation.​

And Louie was one of them. They didn't come right out and say it, but it was implied. Now they're saying something that seems totally contradictory - if they don't bother to give details and explain things (which I doubt they'll do), it doesn't all jive. They've given more hints to imply a mob connection than being whatever-generation NYPD.

If we're supposed to ignore the hints they've dropped since the show began in favor of this 'fact', then we're delving into retcon territory. *le sigh*

MacsGirlMel said:

Which novel had that part about Danny's family? I'm blanking for some reason.

It's either Dead of Winter or Blood on the Sun because I know it's one of the two I own.

 

[cSiNyFrEaK30]

I actually kind of liked this episode, though I'm sure it could have been done waaaaaay better.

I LIKED:

Adam scenes. Well, duh. That seems to be a given with this episode He's a character they've really stayed consistent with-mentioning his father being a bully in a previous season, and then this whole storyline. I really want to see if the writers go back and revisit the OCD thing with him-I'm almost positive that while scientists might know about OCD, only someone that has actually dealt with it can really express it as well as Adam did. AJ definately knocked it out of the park....when he started to cry in that interrogation room....I lost it. I really hope the writers don't let it fall through the cracks.

Also, Stella's worrying about him was also sweet. I'm glad they aren't pushing the whole crush thing as much anymore-I really like the two of them having this kind of relationship much better. (Although I do wish Mac had attempted to console Adam or make sure he was alright, but I guess Mac wouldn't be the best person for comfort usually)

Robert Dunbrook is definately one of my new favorite characters. When I heard they were bringing in a new nemesis for Mac I admit I headdesk'd a little, but I really think he's a more intriguing nemesis for the whole team than the ones we've had before. With all that information he knows, I was thinking during the episode that he might have been the one that stole the flash drive earlier in the season (and then I read other posts here and saw that people had the same conclusion...darn it, i thought i was the only clever one getting it lol) Craig T. Nelson did a good job with the role, and I really hope he sticks around for more than three episodes.

I really liked Hawkes getting angry about Danny calling in sick. He definately takes his job seriously, and I totally bought that he would be ticked that Danny would get the Flu. I especially liked the scene when Danny comes back to face Hawkes, and the minute he calls him Hawkes clicks the gun he is working on and glances over....I dont know why I found it so funny, but it really was amusing to me:lol:

I DIDNT LIKE:

Danny's background change...and really, Danny in general in this episode. As many people have already said, the "family of cops" doesn't make sense with him at all. It has been hinted all along that his family might have had shady dealings, and that Mac was advised not to hire him-if he was from a family of cops, why not? It's frustrating, because the lines between characters are getting blurred-Flack was the family of cops, not Danny....I also didn't buy that Danny would be the one getting the Blue Flu. Danny's had a knack for doing unpopular things in the past, true...but he is also the bleeding heart of the group...he's the one that seems to get more emotionally involved with things, and I always assumed that even though there was a paycut, he would do what he could for people in trouble. I dont know...it just really didn't flow well with me. I really felt more that I was seeing what the writers wanted Danny to do, rather than just seeing what Danny was doing...does that make sense at all?

The whole Blue Flu thing really could have been used in another episode, or at least it could have been built up a little bit more. I mean I know they department was being forced with layoffs, but again, nothing ever happened to Adam even though he was laid off, and nothing has been mentioned since. Once again, the continuity of this show SUCKS....and its annoying.

And no Flack? I would think Flack (who is from the cop family and IS still there during the Blue Flu) would play a bigger part, especially since he is the cop of the show-I would have loved to have seen a Danny/Flack argument about Danny's choice to call in sick.

I DIDNT MIND:

Lindsay wasn't too bad this episode at all. She does defend Danny to Hawkes, and this time I actually believed she was defending him because she cared about him, not just to save her own ass or look show offy, which is how I usually see her. And I liked her calling him every hour too...no, he wasn't really sick and it could have been annoying to him, but at least she was caring enough to keep him in the loop about what he was missing (assuming the calls were about what was going on, and not about how the baby kicked or whatever).


Sooo....I give this ep a B-. Not amazing, not bad, could have been better, but certainly could have been worse.

 

[Elsie]

I quite liked this episode. I do think that they tried to get too much into it, and as such it felt a bit confused and rushed at times. Still, quite interesting nonetheless. I wasn't happy with Danny deciding not to work, and I'm not convinced by his reasons. I loved Hawkes' reaction to it though, and Lindsay's response was just as I would have expected given the situation. I'd like to see some sort of follow up on the blue flu, and see what, if anything, is said to Danny about his behaviour. I'd like to see it, but I don't expect to, because continuity isn't always something that NY does.

I loved the Ceesau tshirt. Very cute. :lol:

For me, this episode belonged to Adam. Or to Stella's dress. I can't decide. :lol: No, let's be honest, I wasn't a fan of Stella's choice of dress.

Adam scenes. Well, duh. That seems to be a given with this episode He's a character they've really stayed consistent with-mentioning his father being a bully in a previous season, and then this whole storyline. I really want to see if the writers go back and revisit the OCD thing with him-I'm almost positive that while scientists might know about OCD, only someone that has actually dealt with it can really express it as well as Adam did. AJ definately knocked it out of the park....when he started to cry in that interrogation room....I lost it. I really hope the writers don't let it fall through the cracks.

I agree. Great Adam scenes, and AJ was fantastic, played it perfectly.

 

[Giwu]

Not a grade, but a question? What did Adam say when the kid asked, "How do you know som much about it?" I missed it and it doesn't sound like 'I have it'.

Thanks, not sure where to ask this.

 

[Top41]

I DIDNT LIKE:

Danny's background change...and really, Danny in general in this episode. As many people have already said, the "family of cops" doesn't make sense with him at all. It has been hinted all along that his family might have had shady dealings, and that Mac was advised not to hire him-if he was from a family of cops, why not? It's frustrating, because the lines between characters are getting blurred-Flack was the family of cops, not Danny....I also didn't buy that Danny would be the one getting the Blue Flu. Danny's had a knack for doing unpopular things in the past, true...but he is also the bleeding heart of the group...he's the one that seems to get more emotionally involved with things, and I always assumed that even though there was a paycut, he would do what he could for people in trouble. I dont know...it just really didn't flow well with me. I really felt more that I was seeing what the writers wanted Danny to do, rather than just seeing what Danny was doing...does that make sense at all?

It makes a lot of sense, yeah, and that's how I read it. Danny is the bleeding heart of the team...he can be self-involved sometimes but he's generally not selfish and staying at home like that when a court case was resting on his testimony is really selfish.

Not a grade, but a question? What did Adam say when the kid asked, "How do you know som much about it?" I missed it and it doesn't sound like 'I have it'.

Thanks, not sure where to ask this.

I'm pretty sure he said, "Because I'm a scientist." He did say it pretty quietly, so I almost missed it as well!

 

[Ghawazee]

i wish you could explain me something because maybe it's my lack of English skills which is affecting my understanding

Wasn't the Deputy Mayor already dead when they dropped the ballons?

So Brandon Walsh took his signs to check is he was still alive. And he put his jacket under his head. But if he was already dead, why did he put that darn jacket under a dead body's head??????????

And i guess most of you know i am a Stella fan but certainly her dress wasn't the best choise (I will save my words)

Debbie

 

[Top41]

I think he just wanted to see if he could revive the deputy mayor. The guy was definitely already dead!

 

[Faylinn]

It may also have been out of respect, I suppose - but mostly just so he'd get the thingy on his jacket, I think (therefore it happened to suit the plot ). :lol:

I think what Adam said to Jake was, "Some of it's science" - implying that some of it isn't science and is likely experience.

 

[racefh853629]

^^ Was the pun intended with "suit the plot"? :lol:

Part of his training (I would imagine) is to check and make sure that a person is beyond means of revival, which also includes repositioning the head of the person. Although I don't think that's the way to do it if you want to have an airway to administer rescue breaths through... that tends to close off the airway.