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Or perhaps Mac believes in a hellfire and brimstone, vengeful type God, who doles out punishments to all and sundry. The only question is, is it Danny or Lindsay that's being punished ;-)"I believe that God brought you and Lindsay together."
Really? Really, Mac. That line was horrifyingly out of character for a man, who, as far as we know, hasn't had much truck with religion since Claire's death. In fact, when Stella asks him in S1 or S2 how long it's been since he went to church, Mac confesses that it's been several years, and his reply hints of a deep dissatisfaction with the church. One can hardly blame Mac; he lost his wife on 9/11, one of the most senseless tragedies in history, and once someone has suffered such an unexpected and deeply unfair loss, it's little wonder that they might have a bone to pick with an institution that likely offered precious little solace and a God who seemingly fell asleep at the switch. Mac's been all about the science for a very long time.
I'm rather surprised that as many people have complained about the 'God' reference, I thought this was compulsory in North American TV programmes, well most of the ones I've watched anyway. I always said I didn't need to go to church again, as I had watched all of Sue Thomas F B Eye and the first two seasons of The District. No priest could be quite as preachy as those two shows were.
*laughs* Elwood, when I was watching this episode I couldn't help but think "Oh, really? God said that they should be together? Did he also say that Matthew's parents should be jerks to Emily? Because sorry, but I care more about her than D/L, and I'd like to separate God from my shows at the moment..." :lol:Given that Criminal Minds aired a religious based eppie right before NY, this scene was all the more hairball inducing, for lack of a better description.
I'm rather surprised that as many people have complained about the 'God' reference, I thought this was compulsory in North American TV programmes, well most of the ones I've watched anyway. I always said I didn't need to go to church again, as I had watched all of Sue Thomas F B Eye and the first two seasons of The District. No priest could be quite as preachy as those two shows were.
I guess that my complaint isn't really about the God reference. It's more about how it played out. I mean, it's almost like the writers were talking about how great it was that D/L was together and getting married and whatnot. If you're talking about it from a show standpoint, the "gods" technically are the writers... It just played off to me as the writers saying that they had decided that Danny and Lindsay had been "destined for each other", when it's very clear that if Anna Belknap hadn't been pregnant, there would have been more Ricki drama and such this season. What bothers me about that scene is that it seemed like the writers were backtracking to get the "they were destined to be together" point across before they got married... maybe I'm just overanalyzing.
and Flack. My Flack. I was glancing away ever so briefly to make sure my dinner wasn't gonna wind up in my lap, when ...er, wha? did I -? just hear... douchebag? what, ......really?? awwww, Flack. :lol: :lol: :lol: Wasn't sure I'd heard that right, thought mebbe my mind had inserted it somehow, until someone else mentioned it in a review :lol:. Totally my kinda guy.
And then the episode started to lose something. It started to get really unsubtle and crossed into sanctimonious. I mean, no one would ever argue the stance taken on things like racism and consumption and pollution, but it got a little heavy handed, and moreover, there were moments that the lines spoken by our merry band could have been easily interchanged. Dialogue shouldn't be interchangeable between characters. It didn't matter who said them, just mattered that someone did, like excerpts from a speech or a petition or something. The characters, on both sides of the law, took a back seat to soapboxing, and the whole show became far less engaging for it.
And geez, it was like Mac and Stella were giving Danny away :lol:
meanwhile i liked the episode i asked the same regarding the writer. I don't know how they work but in "Jag" one writer wrote the script and later ALL writers edited/corrected etc. At the end who got his/her name in the credits could be anyone (i don't remember very well but Don Bellisario's assitant explained us once how things worked)Did Zachary Reiter really write this one?
i always i have felt Melina is like Mariska in Law&Order:SVU. And in both shows they have been in charge of being the audience's eyes regarding this issue and in both shows it was treatedAnd poor MK/Stella must’ve drawn the short straw on this one….She had the honor of interrogating the father (and educating the audience) in a very contrived, PSA-type scene complete with photos, facts, and figures. I know eco-terrorism and industrial pollution are complicated, real life issues with broad global and political implications….But I don’t care to be hit over the head with such issues, especially in a crime drama, which likely will never have the time to deal with them in a realistic, balanced manner.
he remarked first that God put them together and late they received a gif (the baby). I found it odd myself Mac said so considering their relationship has not been a bed of rosesLike others, though, I found Mac's specific comment about God bringing Danny and Lindsay together to be odd given the situation. Mac knows that Danny and Lindsay had troubles in their relationship, and he must have some inkling that this pregnancy was not planned, so it seems like a really strange thing to say under those circumstances. Perhaps what he really meant was that the baby was a blessing from God that could bring Danny and Lindsay closer together, but if that’s what was intended, it should’ve been written differently. I agree that this seemed like just another way for the writers to gloss over the disjointed, ambiguous development of this relationship and tell the audience (through Mac) that it was meant to be.
it's not the first time he has showed those doubts about himself. He told Peyton (i'm masochist tonight )in Silent NightIt was a very honest, human moment for Mac as well. I was a bit surprised at the revelation that Mac didn’t want to have children because he feared disappointing Claire, but I guess I can buy it if he felt he was too career-oriented or emotionally restrained to be a good father. And I really don’t have a problem with the idea that Mac is religious – that first scene of him in the church in “Blink” is something I remember well – and I can even see him believing that a baby is a blessing from God.
Hee, the Bobster, Bobarino, the Bobinator!The first scenes with Stella and Bobby were good. Felix. I mean Felix. Redman. ...inski. rama. Disappointed we didn't get to see more of Bobby. On a few levels. Alas.
My flippant thoughts were, 'So, God is responsible for bringing them together. Let's see, to really take it back - Lindsay probably decided to become a crime fighter after her friends got killed, and she came to New York to fill Aiden's vacancy. So God killed her friends and got Aiden fired in order to facilitate the Lurve. Nice.'My inevitable more flippant thoughts on the scene had me pondering which god would do such a thing and why (Thor mebbe? Odin?), and, "well done, ...nice one, god."
Once Danny found his true love, he had no time for friends - now that Flack is getting some, why should he bother either?My last last thought was, so, when is Danny gonna talk to Flack about any of this? Is he ever? But I guess Don's got a personal life now.
ha, yeah I know. It just felt oddly imposed and out of place with Mac, at least IMO. They've just never had any character on NY so directly express such a thing, so that in itself stood out. I also think that the few moments in earlier seasons devoted to characters in that regard were more far more introspective as opposed to um, annunciative. Here I thought it beyond unnecessary to what had otherwise been a rather nice exchange between Danny and Mac.*laughs* Elwood, when I was watching this episode I couldn't help but think "Oh, really? God said that they should be together? Did he also say that Matthew's parents should be jerks to Emily? Because sorry, but I care more about her than D/L, and I'd like to separate God from my shows at the moment..." :lol:
I agree. That too was part of why it felt so jarring to me. Again, there seems to be a problem with a consistent depiction of who these characters are, mis-using them to serve a separate purpose when needed as TPTB see fit.It's also that Mac is "Mr. Science" but in the case of Danny and Lindsay he believes in destiny? Really? Mac Taylor?
...thanks very kindly roximonoxideJust wanted to echo this. So well put. I'm always anticipating your reviews, Elwood21
Yeah, that was fun. And didn't AJ do his own stunts? Or was that gonna be in an upcoming? (can you get a Jank double...?) And Sheldon managing to keep a straight face was brilliant, those two should get more scenes together.I loved that Adam got to step up to the plate and be a hero! It was nice to see him get a chance to do that and AJ was great. Loved his little bit with Hawkes when he came in after being questioned by the agencies. Hawkes' reaction was priceless.
:lol: Ha, ...all very tru dat... :lol: :lol: aw, poor Messer. Man. Hope they check her carry-on for what's left of his ...blah blah, y'all know. Some days I think it's a wonder his voice hasn't changed.Well, Danny has been the stereotypical "girl" in the relationship from the beginning so it makes sense. Think about it: Lindsay pursued him second season and reeled him in, and then when he got clingy she pulled away. He turned into a doormat ready to do anything for her. Then they got together and she was the one who bedded him. And now Danny was the one nagging Lindsay to get married. So it makes sense that he was the one who was being given away. :lol:
Well, I would have at least bought the fact that she'd come around and actually wanted to marry the guy. It's like they'll both wake up in the morning and but for a receipt think mebbe it had never happened... (wishful thinking but ok, I know Mac passed Danny a ring box, yada) I wouldna liked it anymore, but I guess I might actually buy that from her, as she's always done things her own way and in her own time. Wonder how Danny woulda really responded?On that note, I would have liked to see Lindsay be the one to propose to Danny this time around and make the marriage happen. We and she already knew he wanted to get married. It would have been great to see Lindsay take some initiative--like she did when she asked him out for drinks or when she went to kiss him or when she bedded him in "Snow Day." Honestly, if she'd been that kind of character more often, I'd like her a lot better than I do.
BabbyMomma. And Processing!Montage woman. Well, TPTB did say it was gonna be seen thru the father's eyes... :lol: they just never specified the chronology. Could be there's little residing inside Lindsay for her to be introspective about. Aside from the baby that is. The exchange with Sid I saw as 'let's keep Lindsay being light and funny.' That's about as much demand the writers seem willing to put on her. Lots of possible theories as to why that is.As for Lindsay, this episode illustrates one of the major issues with the character imo. Danny gets an emotional, moving scene during which he exposes his weaknesses and self-doubts about himself as a potential husband and father. Lindsay gets a scene where she comments on her physical discomforts and talks about visiting Montana and how her mother will be happy to see her daughter pregnant. Will we ever get a scene with Lindsay during which she demonstrates some self-awareness or introspection and acknowledges her own mistakes and insecurities? Surely at this point the writers can see that this is something that needs to happen if the character is to gain some depth and demonstrate growth.
:lol: I'm liking der Bobinator.Originally Posted by Faylinn:Hee, the Bobster, Bobarino, the Bobinator!
And lastly, stop proselytizing, CSI:NY. Yes, environmental pollution is awful, and exploiting impoverished peasants is dastardly, but bad, agenda-pandering drama blows, too. You might as well have held up a sign that read, "And now, we at CSI:NY would like to tell you about the evils of industrial pollution. Please applaud Stella as she gets her mad indignant on. Thank you." The scene would've been much more effective if Stella had hammered home the fact that Mr. Fishman's greed had contributed to his daughter's death instead of waving around guilt-inducing photos of Chinese peasant children. I'm sorry that greedy asses are endangering the lives of poor peasants, but I'm not feeling guilty because I own a PC. If I didn't, how else would Zuiker besiege me with his hurl-inducing cross-platforming? Go stow it without lube, NY writers.
B+