Does Flack Love Danny?

wow.

I chose no/no. I haven't seen anything that suggests they are no more than great buddies. Although i do think D/F man on man action is pretty hot...i don't really see it here, and i think this is a case of shippers reading to much into the show ;)

I do agree that Danny gets away with more flaws because he is an attractive male. Women attack other women, its not something people are necessarily doing deliberately either. I think Lindsay being a female does make a difference.

Michael C. Hall stated in an interview more people are accepting of him playing a serial killer than when he played a gay man. People are truly sick. In canadian shows, it is common to have gay characters, but not in that stereotypical way that you see on american shows. A good example is the Degrassi series.
 
xfcanadian said:
wow.

I chose no/no. I haven't seen anything that suggests they are no more than great buddies. Although i do think D/F man on man action is pretty hot...i don't really see it here, and i think this is a case of shippers reading to much into the show ;)
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Um, even the D/F shippers have said that Flack loves Danny as a brother and a friend regardless of if you ship them or not. How is that "reading too much into the show?"

Aside from one round of drunken sex on a pool table, D/L shippers have to use implied subtext for their ship just as much as D/F shippers. Are they "reading too much into the show" as well?
 
xfcanadian said:
I chose no/no. I haven't seen anything that suggests they are no more than great buddies. Although i do think D/F man on man action is pretty hot...i don't really see it here, and i think this is a case of shippers reading to much into the show
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:confused: Did you, like, even read the opening post before you assumed to know what the thread was about? To quote:

"This is not a shipper thread. This isn't about whether Danny and Flack belong together...I'm not talking about romantic feelings or lust, I'm talking about a deep, passionate caring for another person."

I have friends that I love very much, I love my family to pieces--the opening post has a number of definitions for "love" that can fit these two. I think definitions #2 and #18 are especially fitting.

The second question is curiosity--a person doesn't have to be a rabid shipper to consider the possibility of something. Also, as a general response to some of the posts in the thread so far--answering 'yes' to the second question doesn't make someone a shipper or imply that they aren't allowed to like Flack with Angell. Similarly, Flack liking/speaking to/possibly flirting with Angell doesn't preclude him from having feelings for anybody else. Last time I checked, it doesn't really work that way.
 
xfcanadian said:
wow.

I chose no/no. I haven't seen anything that suggests they are no more than great buddies. Although i do think D/F man on man action is pretty hot...i don't really see it here, and i think this is a case of shippers reading to much into the show ;)
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This is why I have trouble with how many people answered No to the 1st question. Top asked if Flack shows any of the definitions of love towards Danny:

2. a feeling of warm personal attachment or deep affection, as for a parent, child, or friend.

You just stated that he does but yet you voted No. I'm just wondering if everyone answered No as a knee-jerk response to the question without reading anything Top said prior to the poll. To me, it implies that people can't love each other without it being romantic or sexual and I don't believe that's true. Regardless of whether you are a slasher or not, the Danny/Flack relationship clearly fits the above definition of love. Well, in my opinion it does. :)
 
stormymac said:
xfcanadian said:
wow.

I chose no/no. I haven't seen anything that suggests they are no more than great buddies. Although i do think D/F man on man action is pretty hot...i don't really see it here, and i think this is a case of shippers reading to much into the show ;)
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This is why I have trouble with how many people answered No to the 1st question. Top asked if Flack shows any of the definitions of love towards Danny:

2. a feeling of warm personal attachment or deep affection, as for a parent, child, or friend.

You just stated that he does but yet you voted No. I'm just wondering if everyone answered No as a knee-jerk response to the question without reading anything Top said prior to the poll. To me, it implies that people can't love each other without it being romantic or sexual and I don't believe that's true. Regardless of whether you are a slasher or not, the Danny/Flack relationship clearly fits the above definition of love. Well, in my opinion it does. :)
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I think the people that are voting "no" to Flack loving Danny are immeadiatly seeing the world "love" in the thread topic and immeadiatly going to romantic love, and not the friendship love that they could see it as. I really don't think seeing the love those two have is simply shippers reading too much into the show at all. Like others have stated before, this isnt a shipper thread just a discussion on whether or not Flack loves Danny in one of the ways that was listed at the begining of the thread. Love can be for a friend, i certainly have best friends that i love more than anything, but that doesn't mean its romantic love. To say that Flack doesn't love Danny at all is to totally cut out their friendship we've seen over the last few seasons, IMO.

I guess you could argue though that maybe Flack does care about Danny as a friend, but his feelings don't go deep enough to warrant loving him as a friend. I don't see this at all--Flack has risked too much for Danny for me to simply think he's just looking out for another guy on the team--but to me thats the only way someone would be able to vote No on the poll.
 
I voted "yes" to Flack loving Danny. Like others have said, you don't have to bring lust into it. That's something that frustrates me about some hetro pairings in other fandoms. People can love each other very deeply without wanting to roll around in the hay together. Of course I obviously have no problems with Danny/Flack slash, but there's more to love than just sex.
 
cSiNyFrEaK30 said:
I guess you could argue though that maybe Flack does care about Danny as a friend, but his feelings don't go deep enough to warrant loving him as a friend. I don't see this at all--Flack has risked too much for Danny for me to simply think he's just looking out for another guy on the team--but to me thats the only way someone would be able to vote No on the poll.
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That's pretty much how I feel...the friendship on screen has been shown to be far, far deeper than two guys who pal around on the job and sometimes get together to shoot hoops on the weekends. But the way Flack goes out of his way for Danny time and time again and has since season one says to me that this friendship runs deep.

The reverse question, Does Danny Love Flack? would be interesting as well. Obviously we haven't seen Danny really go out of his way for Flack. But it's also clear that Flack is the one Danny runs to again and again--Danny always calls Flack when he's in distress and wants someone to be there for him. There's obviously a lot of trust there, and something Danny doesn't do easily is give another person his trust. More than trust, Danny actually listens to Flack. Despite obviously not wanting to do what Flack was trying to get him to do in "All in the Family," Danny did listen to him--Danny split the list with him and Danny brought Rikki in even though he clearly didn't want to. But does all of that mean Danny loves Flack? (again, in a non-shippy way ;) )
 
Top41 said:
The reverse question, Does Danny Love Flack?
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I think Danny does love Flack, although his actions and words might make people think otherwise.

Danny's upbringing was very different than Flack's. That's no secret. IMO, the reason Danny treats Flack the way he does is probably heavily shaped by his relationship with Louie. From what little we know about their relationship, we can guess it has been a tumultuous one. I'd guess since they were kids; but we learned in RSRD that despite all of that Danny loves Louie dearly and was devastated at the thought he might lose him. I think Danny being so bratty with Flack is probably partly due to how Louie has treated him throughout his life. He's never had anyone care about and for him the way Flack does, and he deals with that the only way he knows how; by appearing to not need help and essentially ungrateful. Danny's probably also submissive to Flack in part because of Louie, although I think a lot of why he's submissive is because he ultimately knows Flack is right and doing things Flack's way will be better for everyone in the end. In a lot of ways, I think Danny probably sees Flack as the big brother Louie should have been. We don't know if Flack is truly older, but he is definitely older in an emotional sense.
 
I answerd yes to both, though I think the more important questions should be is Flack gay(or bisexual)? I think there is a lot that could be argued that yes he is (though that probaly should be a seprate thread) and if that is the case would explaine a lot about his actions with Danny in these types of siturations (it would also explaine why he wasn't real friendly with Lindsey, until recently)! It would also be one major ground-breaking story for the show.
 
PerfectAnomaly said:

To be honest, I don't see how putting a label on Flack's
sexuality is important at all.
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1.) It would expainle some things about his character and his past as well as his relationship and reactions to other characters a lot better than saying he is just a good natured guy who always does the right thing.

2.) It would make for an intristing storylines. If not for Flack than maybe for a character on one of the other CSI shows.

3.) We haven't ever sceen an out gay police officer on primtime network tv. (We have had supporting characters and one on cable but not on network t.v.) It would be important to show such a character a.) because relationships between many police forces in the country and their local gay communitys are really bad and very distrustfull on both sides. b.) because gay cops are closted not just at thier jobs but in thier own communities. Many have a very hard time with coworkers in thier jobs and in thier personal lives as many gay people do not trust cops.

I think it would be important to have such an openly gay charchter on a major primtime cop drama, it would do a lot to promote positive discussions on these topics in the media and move people to posibly try to improve the situations.

4.) It would give me a better excuse as to why I have a picture of Flack sitting by my bed and on my desk at work.
 
PerfectAnomaly said:
I think Danny does love Flack, although his actions and words might make people think otherwise.

Danny's upbringing was very different than Flack's. That's no secret. IMO, the reason Danny treats Flack the way he does is probably heavily shaped by his relationship with Louie. From what little we know about their relationship, we can guess it has been a tumultuous one. I'd guess since they were kids; but we learned in RSRD that despite all of that Danny loves Louie dearly and was devastated at the thought he might lose him. I think Danny being so bratty with Flack is probably partly due to how Louie has treated him throughout his life. He's never had anyone care about and for him the way Flack does, and he deals with that the only way he knows how; by appearing to not need help and essentially ungrateful. Danny's probably also submissive to Flack in part because of Louie, although I think a lot of why he's submissive is because he ultimately knows Flack is right and doing things Flack's way will be better for everyone in the end. In a lot of ways, I think Danny probably sees Flack as the big brother Louie should have been. We don't know if Flack is truly older, but he is definitely older in an emotional sense.
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Very true. I don't think Danny has had many good male influences in his life, and we know he's certainly had at least one--Louie--who let him down in a big way during his formative years. I think part of his behavior with Flack seems to be pushing Flack to see how far Flack will go for him--and what it will take to get Flack to throw up his hands and finally walk away from him. I think Danny keeps expecting that to happen--and it just doesn't.

Like with his line to Flack at the end of "All in the Family." Danny tells Flack he should have "minded his own business," but it's not said with any malice or anger. I think Danny was pushing--he'd seen how far Flack would go for him, but he'd also seen that Flack had gotten frustrated and forceful with him. Had Flack had enough? So he said that "mind your own business" line and then Flack told him because they were friends it was his business and then Danny opened up to him about not being able to stop blaming himself for Ruben's death. That "How? How can I do that?" line was Danny at his most vulnerable. He opens up to Flack after seeing Flack isn't giving up on him, but each time it seems it's a new battle for Flack to prove to Danny that he's not giving up on him.

Flacknatic said:
I answerd yes to both, though I think the more important questions should be is Flack gay(or bisexual)? I think there is a lot that could be argued that yes he is (though that probaly should be a seprate thread) and if that is the case would explaine a lot about his actions with Danny in these types of siturations (it would also explaine why he wasn't real friendly with Lindsey, until recently)! It would also be one major ground-breaking story for the show.
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I think it would be groundbreaking for the show if it explored the idea that Flack's feelings for Danny aren't simply platonic. I think it's open to interpretation, and Flack really does go above and beyond--again and again--for Danny. I don't think it needs a label--gay, straight or bisexual--I think the idea of a cop falling in love with his male best friend would bring out discussion of that, but I think it's more about how Flack feels about Danny in particular. It would be a really unique storyline.
 
PerfectAnomaly said:
Flacknatic said:
I think the more important questions should be is Flack gay(or bisexual)?
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To be honest, I don't see how putting a label on Flack's sexuality is important at all.
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I don't either. :confused:

1.) It would expainle some things about his character and his past as well as his relationship and reactions to other characters a lot better than saying he is just a good natured guy who always does the right thing.
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I'm not following. How would Flack being gay or bisexual explain those things?? :confused:

It is possible for a straight man to be that compassionate and caring.
 
PerfectAnomaly said:
Flacknatic said:
I think the more important questions should be is Flack gay(or bisexual)?
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To be honest, I don't see how putting a label on Flack's sexuality is important at all.
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I have to agree with PA here. Whichever orientation he is, or thinks he is, or wants to be ect.. is very subjective and I don't see what it brings to this discussion.
 
PerfectAnomaly said:
Flacknatic said:
I think the more important questions should be is Flack gay(or bisexual)?
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To be honest, I don't see how putting a label on Flack's sexuality is important at all.
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I agree. Labels are for shirts, not people. I think that's one of society's biggest problems, is needing to put labels to everything.

There is such a thing as a "girl crush", a straight girl having a 'crush' on another girl. I don't see why the same can't hold true for men.

Anyway, I don't think it matters. He is who he is, and I love him that way.
 
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