Debate/Dislike a Ship Thread -- CSI:NY

[Lori K.]

Last time I checked it is more than remotely possible for a man and a woman to have chemistry as friends without it leading to romantic chemistry

I have many friends under such circumstance as you suggest. But I am also aware that some friendships can lead to love as I was inferring to in the previous post

Having a good rapport with someone and being friends doesn't automatically, "naturally" progress to more.

Granted, but there are some instances in which friendship developes into more like it or not. It was not me who coined the term "automatic".

To me, chemistry is never a fact, to me it's a very subjective thing. Many people (like me) see a romantic chemistry between Danny and Lindsay. Many people see a romantic chemistry between Mac and Stella. Some don't see any romantic chemistry between any of them. To me it sometimes seems like people try to convince each other that there is/isn't romantic chemistry between ships, which I don't think will ever work. What I also don't get is why it seems to be a fact in some people's eyes that DL is a fiasco. I think those who like them don't see them as a fiasco at all. Like I said, everyone seems to have a different taste/sees a different chemistry/whatever. Sorry if my post makes no sense.

Makes perfect sense.

Another thing that gets me frustrated is when people who want a ship to go canon are considered "passionate" about their wants and needs, but people who speak up about not wanting a particualr ship get the "hater" label. I'm passionate about wanting Mac and Stella to stay close friends and co-workers. That's no different than someone else being passionate about wanting them to end up together.

Which is your right. I injected my thought into conversation earlier because Ghawazee was being unfairly accused in this instance of "Shoving her feelings" down peoples throats and this was not the case. Those of us who "troll" know she loves Mac and Stella as there are many others in this particular conversation love "Adella" both sides would like to see there ship come to fruition. My angle to all of this was not from a "shipper" perspective but real life "if you will". At the end of the day these are only characters in a story we all enjoy to watch.

Even though I am an Adella fan and you'r a smackie and we don't agree, I am still going to seend you some love.:luvlove:

And as I scroll to the end of the posts I find love aaahhh

 

[Ghawazee]

PA--->

I don't have a problem with you having a different opinion than I do. What bothers me is that you're using non-shippers' opinions of their friendship and/or brother/sister chemistry as a way to make it sound like even non-shippers want them together or as a reason for TPTB to put them in a romantic relationship.

NO, i was pointing out their chemistry is noticeable by non shippers. Either is romantic chemistry or not that's very subjetive
I think they have an intense romantic chemistry and i want TPTB write them together because it would be an enormous waste IMHO if they are not written in a relationship. As simple as that

SJhubby-->

Mac dated Payten for how long before she knew about it:alienblush:, and in the episode All Acess when Mac and Don arrived at her apt. Don was the one to tell Mac who Frankie was

well you think it was because they barely talk about their personal lives. You are almost implying they barely are friends However i wonder if the fact they didn't talk to each other it was due the impossibility of saying it out loud because somehow they would know what their own feelings are and they were just trying to deceive themselves pretending it was just "because they are private"

Both are workaholics, have no sence of humer, no spark and as a couple would be too boring.:scream:

I think you have to buy several DVDs Yes, they are workaholics but they do have a lot of humour and Mac is so creative Stella would have a lot of fun

PA-->

Last time I checked it is more than remotely possible for a man and a woman to have chemistry as friends without it leading to romantic chemistry.

true enough. I remember certain episode of CSI LV and thereb was a lovely scene between Catherine and Grissom. Personally in that moment i realized how different two couples can act, one just like friends and another as the best romantic prospect i have seen in a long , long time

i can't continue now because i almost fall asleep on the keyboard so until tomorrow and sleep tight

 

[Urban Legend]

Actually, watching CSI NY, I feel like this is the only show that I actually like ships on. However, I don't really care for Mac and Stella and I can't put my finger on why I don't like it. The reason I can stomach ships on this one, is that they don't let the romances weigh down the show like they seem to do on Vegas and Miami and they don't force it down our throats like they have done with Grissom and Sara :shifty:

 

[sjhubby]

[SJhubby-->

Mac dated Payten for how long before she knew about it:alienblush:, and in the episode All Acess when Mac and Don arrived at her apt. Don was the one to tell Mac who Frankie was

well you think it was because they barely talk about their personal lives. You are almost implying they barely are friends However i wonder if the fact they didn't talk to each other it was due the impossibility of saying it out loud because somehow they would know what their own feelings are and they were just trying to deceive themselves pretending it was just "because they are private"

Are you nut's

Both are workaholics, have no sence of humer, no spark and as a couple would be too boring.:scream:

I think you have to buy several DVDs Yes, they are workaholics but they do have a lot of humour and Mac is so creative Stella would have a lot of fun
Please give an example of Mac's creativity


i

 

[Flack-Angell]

Yes, they are workaholics but they do have a lot of humour and Mac is so creative Stella would have a lot of fun
Please give an example of Mac's creativity


i

Sorry, but I think that Mac is kind of boring. I'm blank on this one.

As I see, you guys are discussing Mac/Stella. *jumps in on the discussion : D*

Personally, I can't see any chemistry between them. I can see FRIENDLY chemistry though, it's plenty of it. But I can't see them as a couple, I just can't imagine them kiss or something. (And I have a great imagination, to be honest)
I tried for a while to ship them, but I couldn't. They don't really have that 'thing' that makes me ship them. Like Flack/Angell, there was something that made me ship them. I don't know what, but that 'something' is missing for me when it comes to Mac/Stella.

I hope that made sense. English isn't my native language, so for all I know this could just be some words that can't even be understood by a professor. :lol:

 

[Vildis]

Don't worry. Your english is fine, and I understand you. I know what it feels like trying to express yourself in a language which is not your native language, as I do it all the time here (as I don't have english as my native language either).

I totally agree with you when it comes to Mac and Stella's friendship. I think they are really great as friends, and should stick to it. As I don't see any kind of romantic chemistry it would be weird to see Mac and Stella kiss each other. I can imagine and accept a lot of things, but Mac and Stella as a couple would be very difficult (almost impossible).

No matter what, I think they should stay friends. As they are too similar and IF, but only if, they ever become a couple, then I am convinced that it will harm their friendship. Especially if they break up, and somehow I am sure they would. A romantic relationship would also affect their colleuages. As Mac is the boss, and Stella is some kind of supervisor. I am not sure that they can keep it 'private', even if they are two private persons at the moment. It will still affect everyone else at work, and not everyone would be happy about it (I guess). It is not the same thing with D/L and Flack/Angell, as they have (had) no such big positions. So please, don't compare Mac and Stella with the others.

I also think they are too similar, as both are private and workaholics. They don't always seem to talk about things, but can mention important stuff if it's necessary for any case. We have already seen it a couple of times. I don't say that it's a bad friendship if they don't talk about more personal things. I just think that they should talk more if they decide to take their relationship to another level (including a romantic relationship).

 

[Ghawazee]

I also think they are too similar, as both are private and workaholics. They don't always seem to talk about things, but can mention important stuff if it's necessary for any case. We have already seen it a couple of times. I don't say that it's a bad friendship if they don't talk about more personal things. I just think that they should talk more if they decide to take their relationship to another level (including a romantic relationship).

definitely i still think you need to review some episodes. Since the beginning (blink and even in the pilot) their connection was showed and you can appreciate they talk about things and tell things to each other in a way they do with nobody else. Their fears, their frustrations, their little daily misseries were exposed to each other. Also their moments of triumph and happiness. They have talked about business, yes. Because they still work in the same place and they have a job they must do. But nobody forced them to share how much a case affected them. Nobody asked them or forced them to show each other how vulnerable both of them can be but they did. And they did because they felt comfortable enough knowing they can't be hurt
Also their moments of joy are important and those ones where they had memories of their childhood. For 2 people so private those moments are a recollection of something very important to them
Besides they have been "there" when one of them was too weak to stand of their own. I doubt any "friend" could cross half world to save her as Mac did and he didn't receive a better proof of loyalty than when he was in his dark years after Claire died and she was there for him always. She was the only one, among all people who knew him, capable of helping him to live again (his "back to life" was in American Dreamers 1.03)

So, i do think they belong each other. i do think they need each other. I doubt nobody would be so selfish to be unhappy for them if finally they get together. Not even Adam

that's why i believe they must start a relationship because even too private people deserve to be happy and they are happy when they are understood

 

[Lori K.]

Don't worry. Your english is fine, and I understand you. I know what it feels like trying to express yourself in a language which is not your native language, as I do it all the time here (as I don't have english as my native language either).

I think you all do an exceptional job!:thumbsup:

 

[PerfectAnomaly]

I also think they are too similar, as both are private and workaholics. They don't always seem to talk about things, but can mention important stuff if it's necessary for any case. We have already seen it a couple of times. I don't say that it's a bad friendship if they don't talk about more personal things. I just think that they should talk more if they decide to take their relationship to another level (including a romantic relationship).

definitely i still think you need to review some episodes. Since the beginning (blink and even in the pilot) their connection was showed and you can appreciate they talk about things and tell things to each other in a way they do with nobody else. Their fears, their frustrations, their little daily misseries were exposed to each other. Also their moments of triumph and happiness. They have talked about business, yes. Because they still work in the same place and they have a job they must do. But nobody forced them to share how much a case affected them. Nobody asked them or forced them to show each other how vulnerable both of them can be but they did. And they did because they felt comfortable enough knowing they can't be hurt
Also their moments of joy are important and those ones where they had memories of their childhood. For 2 people so private those moments are a recollection of something very important to them
Besides they have been "there" when one of them was too weak to stand of their own. I doubt any "friend" could cross half world to save her as Mac did and he didn't receive a better proof of loyalty than when he was in his dark years after Claire died and she was there for him always. She was the only one, among all people who knew him, capable of helping him to live again (his "back to life" was in American Dreamers 1.03)

So, i do think they belong each other. i do think they need each other. I doubt nobody would be so selfish to be unhappy for them if finally they get together. Not even Adam

that's why i believe they must start a relationship because even too private people deserve to be happy and they are happy when they are understood

I find it beyond insulting that if someone doesn't share your opinion they get told they need to rewatch episodes because they've obviously missed something or that if they don't want your ship to be canon you imply they're selfish. Everyone's opinion is valid and yours isn't the obvious "right" one.

 

[Ghawazee]

I find it beyond insulting that if someone doesn't share your opinion they get told they need to rewatch episodes because they've obviously missed something or that if they don't want your ship to be canon you imply they're selfish. Everyone's opinion is valid and yours isn't the obvious "right" one.

Oh! But i never intended to insult her or anybody else. I was just trying to be helpful I mean, she said they barely talked and i recommended her to watch more episodes just like a proof they did talk. I don't expect she is convinced by my speech

Facts are facts and they can't be changed by any word

 

[Vildis]

First of all, I just have to say that I don't need to watch re-runs/older episodes. I meant something else when I tried to tell that they don't talk. You probably misunderstood it. Personally, I think people can talk without actually say anyhing at all. Sometimes it does not mean anything. Scroll down, and you will hopefully understand what I meant earlier.

Since the beginning (blink and even in the pilot) their connection was showed and you can appreciate they talk about things and tell things to each other in a way they do with nobody else. Their fears, their frustrations, their little daily misseries were exposed to each other. Also their moments of triumph and happiness. They have talked about business, yes. Because they still work in the same place and they have a job they must do. But nobody forced them to share how much a case affected them. Nobody asked them or forced them to show each other how vulnerable both of them can be but they did. And they did because they felt comfortable enough knowing they can't be hurt.

You are right. Nobody forced them to do all that you mentioned. I still don't understand what you are trying to say? Good friends go thorugh all that, and you don't have to tell someone everything. Mac and Stella deciced to share many of these moments, and talk about it.

What I meant is taht they don't seem to talk about personal things unless it is important for the current race. Mac has several times talked about things in the past, not only with Stella (the most recent thing was the racer memories as a kid). He also talked to Hawkes about his father, but only because it was relevant for a case, as the suspect had cancer (just like Mac's dad), and this guy mentioned Mac's father and compared himself with Mac's dad. Otherwise, both Stella and Mac prefer keeping thier personal things "private". This was what I was trying to say earlier. They need to talk more about personal things (and other things) when it's not relevant for their jobs/cases somehow.

Do you understand what I meant now?

Also their moments of joy are important and those ones where they had memories of their childhood. For 2 people so private those moments are a recollection of something very important to them.

So what? This only tells me that they finally dared to open up and talk about personal things that clearly means a lot to them. I personally think it is a good development for their friendship, but it is not another step closer to a romantic relationship.

Besides they have been "there" when one of them was too weak to stand of their own. I doubt any "friend" could cross half world to save her as Mac did and he didn't receive a better proof of loyalty than when he was in his dark years after Claire died and she was there for him always. She was the only one, among all people who knew him, capable of helping him to live again (his "back to life" was in American Dreamers 1.03)

I believe without a doubt that a friend would do all that, even go halfway around the world to help someone who certainly needs their help. I actually believe that a friend could do that, you don't have to love that person in a 'romantic' way, as I am sure anyone would do the same for a family member or a good friend.

So, i do think they belong each other. i do think they need each other. I doubt nobody would be so selfish to be unhappy for them if finally they get together. Not even Adam.

I do not agree with you. It does not make me selfish, not at all. I just don't share your point of view. So call me selfish if you want. I don't think they belong to each other. Speaking of Adam, you make it sound like he would relax and take it easy. If he wouldn't, then he is unhappy and selfish. In your opinion. I believe he actually would be heartbroken as I believe he stills has feelings for her. But I am sure he would accept it as he has no choice, and wanna see Stella happy. It is not the same thing.

 

[PerfectAnomaly]

Facts are facts and they can't be changed by any word

Exept for when the "facts" are just one person's opinion and then they're not really "facts" at all. Opinions and interpretations of scenes and interpersonal relationships can be disputed by anyone.

 

[sjhubby]

[SJhubby-->

Mac dated Payten for how long before she knew about it:alienblush:, and in the episode All Acess when Mac and Don arrived at her apt. Don was the one to tell Mac who Frankie was

well you think it was because they barely talk about their personal lives. You are almost implying they barely are friends However i wonder if the fact they didn't talk to each other it was due the impossibility of saying it out loud because somehow they would know what their own feelings are and they were just trying to deceive themselves pretending it was just "because they are private"

Are you nut's

Both are workaholics, have no sence of humer, no spark and as a couple would be too boring.:scream:

I think you have to buy several DVDs Yes, they are workaholics but they do have a lot of humour and Mac is so creative Stella would have a lot of fun
Please give an example of Mac's creativity


I think she is replying to my top post. :wtf:There is nothing you can do to convince her that there is nothing going on between M & S. :scream: When the smackies get an idea in their head they run with it.:cardie: I even saw on one of the smack threads a screen cap where MaC was getting out of the black truck and Stella was driving ( didn't see her though, just assumed it was her) they posted the picturs as proof that Mac and Stella were together. :guffaw: Their thought being they must have rode to work together after a night of love and passion. :devil: I never post on the smack thread out of respect to the smackies, but my first thought was along those lines, Stella has driven while Sheldon was a passenger. does that mean they slept together too? Also she drove with Flack ; is he a sex buddy as well . And what about when Sheldon drove Danny to the hospital? Are he and Sheldon doing the nasty? So far the only one we know she did sleep with is Adam. :adore::luvlove: My point is you are never going to convince them that M & S are not in love. I just don't respond to her post anymore. As far as going back and looking again, may I suggest Epiloge, that is the one where you can see her getting out of bed with Adam. And that is a fact.:lol:

 

[ladyhunter]

First off, everyone take a DEEEEEPPPP breath and calm down.
This thread was going so well. People were recognizing the fact that not everyone sees things in the same way, etc....

Then we get this,

Facts are facts and they can't be changed by any word

Yea, the fact is Mac and Stella are close, but whatever anybody else sees in them is subjective. It's okay to want them together as a couple but saying IT'S A FACT, is not.

And also ...

definitely i still think you need to review some episodes

I think the poster had good intentions in saying this but it came out wrong. The 'online thing' gets in the way from what others are meaning. But continually asking someone to "watch DVD's to see the facts" is also stepping out of line, because again, everything is subjective.

Lastly, I don't want to see this again..

Are you nut's

That is way out of line. If those remarks continue to appear in the thread some official warnings could ensue. GOT IT?

Okay, let's get back to some good healthy debate. If you have any questions please let one of us know.

 

[sjhubby]

[Lastly, I don't want to see this again..

Are you nut's

That is way out of line. If those remarks continue to appear in the thread some official warnings could ensue. GOT IT?

Sorry that was me. I regreted it as soon as I posted it. :brickwall:,but being new to this I did not know how to delete it. I just figured that out today. And I agree it was uncalled for. I, as a rule don't insult anyone on the boards, Iam a believer that we all have our own opinions. And I do apoligize if I hurt or offended anyone. So again I will send you some love:luvlove: