Danny/Lindsay #22: I've fallen in love with you...and I can't let go
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Dawni
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Re: Danny/Lindsay #22: I've fallen in love with you...and I can't let
Thats the only part I could never understand when peole classed her as selfish. In SD yes she could have picked a better time but the 1st thing going through my head wouldn't be is he ok but would be sh** i was meant to be in there... its natural reaction.
She has got through to him I have noticed that along the way in the phonecall it was almost that he "finally" remembered what she went through and maybe yes she does know what he's going through and can help in some way.
Thats the only part I could never understand when peole classed her as selfish. In SD yes she could have picked a better time but the 1st thing going through my head wouldn't be is he ok but would be sh** i was meant to be in there... its natural reaction.
She has got through to him I have noticed that along the way in the phonecall it was almost that he "finally" remembered what she went through and maybe yes she does know what he's going through and can help in some way.
JellyBelly
Lab Technician
Re: Danny/Lindsay #22: I've fallen in love with you...and I can't let
Actually I can understand why people have seen her as selfish. I think it originated in S3 when she stood him up without an explanation. I think it's understandable that people see Danny as vulnerable and in some ways D/L are not a good pairing because of their emotional issues. But, I think we were supposed to believe that Lindsay was reliving traumatic events, hence tptb telling us there was a secret past at right around the time when she started pushing Danny away.
The problem was they left it hanging for too long on the show, it took them half a season to reveal the secret in canon and by then people were pretty pissed off with her. Then they had Danny give her even more by going to Montana without anything (other than a 'moo' card) from her. Now they've gone and done it again by having her react to him pushing her away without actually showing her trying to help him. They've implied that she has but they've not actually shown it. For people who already disliked Lindsay it's given them even more proof of her 'selfishness'. It has also enabled people to gloss over Danny's mistreatment of her which whatever the reason is pretty poor. I really don't believe they intend for Lindsay to come across that way, I think it's probably a combination of inconsistent storytelling, trying to keep all the fans happy and them not wanting to cast aspersions against the blue eyed boy too much because really he is their 'cash cow' in terms of the show. By having Lindsay react in this way it's enabled Danny fans to excuse his behaviour. On the other hand it leaves those of us that like them both really confused as to what the heck is going on. That's my take on the 'selfishness' issue anyway.
So, while I personally don't see her as selfish, I can in part understand why people who don't like her do - but I believe it's the inconsistencies from the writers that has caused it. What I struggle to see is why people don't like her so much in the first place and why her character doesn't engender sympathy in the way the other's do.
Actually I can understand why people have seen her as selfish. I think it originated in S3 when she stood him up without an explanation. I think it's understandable that people see Danny as vulnerable and in some ways D/L are not a good pairing because of their emotional issues. But, I think we were supposed to believe that Lindsay was reliving traumatic events, hence tptb telling us there was a secret past at right around the time when she started pushing Danny away.
The problem was they left it hanging for too long on the show, it took them half a season to reveal the secret in canon and by then people were pretty pissed off with her. Then they had Danny give her even more by going to Montana without anything (other than a 'moo' card) from her. Now they've gone and done it again by having her react to him pushing her away without actually showing her trying to help him. They've implied that she has but they've not actually shown it. For people who already disliked Lindsay it's given them even more proof of her 'selfishness'. It has also enabled people to gloss over Danny's mistreatment of her which whatever the reason is pretty poor. I really don't believe they intend for Lindsay to come across that way, I think it's probably a combination of inconsistent storytelling, trying to keep all the fans happy and them not wanting to cast aspersions against the blue eyed boy too much because really he is their 'cash cow' in terms of the show. By having Lindsay react in this way it's enabled Danny fans to excuse his behaviour. On the other hand it leaves those of us that like them both really confused as to what the heck is going on. That's my take on the 'selfishness' issue anyway.
So, while I personally don't see her as selfish, I can in part understand why people who don't like her do - but I believe it's the inconsistencies from the writers that has caused it. What I struggle to see is why people don't like her so much in the first place and why her character doesn't engender sympathy in the way the other's do.
Little_Peaches
Police Officer
Re: Danny/Lindsay #22: I've fallen in love with you...and I can't let
People did realise that I was joking about comparing cheating with standing someone up? Cause they are no where near in the same league. Although I won't press the subject further in case we all start taking sides on the Ross/Rachel debate (for those that have lived on Mars for the past decade or so 'we were on a break!' is quite easily the most debatable phrase going in pop culture)
I didn't find anything selfish about SD, just a slight understandable guilt. She would've apologised to Hawkes or anyone else just the same if they covered for her.
Can You Hear Me Now? Was on this evening - moving away from the condom spray scene, SMM was running around with a gun with an open necked white shirt on, with no wife beater on underneath!!!
Dutch! You got a picture lying around? Kisses & cocktails if you do
People did realise that I was joking about comparing cheating with standing someone up? Cause they are no where near in the same league. Although I won't press the subject further in case we all start taking sides on the Ross/Rachel debate (for those that have lived on Mars for the past decade or so 'we were on a break!' is quite easily the most debatable phrase going in pop culture)
I didn't find anything selfish about SD, just a slight understandable guilt. She would've apologised to Hawkes or anyone else just the same if they covered for her.
Can You Hear Me Now? Was on this evening - moving away from the condom spray scene, SMM was running around with a gun with an open necked white shirt on, with no wife beater on underneath!!!
Dutch! You got a picture lying around? Kisses & cocktails if you do
carolina
Lab Technician
Re: Danny/Lindsay #22: I've fallen in love with you...and I can't let
the b-day thing: after I rewatched the scene I got the impression that while she was hurt by him forgetting it, she got pissed only after his extremly lame excuse. and that I can understand.
very well said. after the strike it seemed to me as if he was sinking deeper and deeper into the darkness and wasnt even realizing what he was doing to the people around him and to himself. she got through him because he wasnt even aware of the possibility of loosing her and her words were something like a mirror - he suddenly saw the world around him again. probably not the nicest sight but he really needed it. to stop wallow in self pity and start mourn and heal
it is interesting how there is a lot of talk how Lindsay has trouble showing her emotion and such and so far it was only her who put to words what their relationship meant to her - I like you...a lot, the card, I have fallen in love with you. Danny is the action speak louder then words kinda guy but still - he never said a thing - up until the phone call, unless I forgot something important.
I think the guilt was a bit bigger because it was Danny but her reaction was natural and not at all selfish. I would say that if there is someone self absorbed in this couple its Danny boy but that is another matter alltogether
the b-day thing: after I rewatched the scene I got the impression that while she was hurt by him forgetting it, she got pissed only after his extremly lame excuse. and that I can understand.
very well said. after the strike it seemed to me as if he was sinking deeper and deeper into the darkness and wasnt even realizing what he was doing to the people around him and to himself. she got through him because he wasnt even aware of the possibility of loosing her and her words were something like a mirror - he suddenly saw the world around him again. probably not the nicest sight but he really needed it. to stop wallow in self pity and start mourn and heal
it is interesting how there is a lot of talk how Lindsay has trouble showing her emotion and such and so far it was only her who put to words what their relationship meant to her - I like you...a lot, the card, I have fallen in love with you. Danny is the action speak louder then words kinda guy but still - he never said a thing - up until the phone call, unless I forgot something important.
I think the guilt was a bit bigger because it was Danny but her reaction was natural and not at all selfish. I would say that if there is someone self absorbed in this couple its Danny boy but that is another matter alltogether
Re: Danny/Lindsay #22: I've fallen in love with you...and I can't let
I have to say that I never thought of Lindsay in SD as selfish. I can fully understand her reaction.
It would have been interesting to see what would have happened if they hadn't swaps shifts. I mean he didn't like her going undercover in NWITLL - I can just imagine Danny trying to break in the warehouse or something. I wonder what his reaction would have been if the hurt her the way they hurt him or adam!
I have to say that I never thought of Lindsay in SD as selfish. I can fully understand her reaction.
It would have been interesting to see what would have happened if they hadn't swaps shifts. I mean he didn't like her going undercover in NWITLL - I can just imagine Danny trying to break in the warehouse or something. I wonder what his reaction would have been if the hurt her the way they hurt him or adam!
Fighter
Lab Technician
Re: Danny/Lindsay #22: I've fallen in love with you...and I can't let
Hello, I hope you can accept a person who’s not really a D/L shipper (I mean I don’t care whether they’re together or not, as long as they’re over all that angst and back to their old selves). I didn’t read the whole thread, just a few last pages but I simply must share my thoughts about some things.
I don't see her as selfish in SD, too – I think she was feeling guilty, and ‘It should have been me’ or sth like that, is a natural reaction and her words were means of apologizing (though she had nothing to apologize for, she didn’t ask Danny to take her shift). I think I’d react the same way and it doesn’t exclude her concern for Danny. I guess, people who don’t like her, they interpret it in a completely different way, and I must admit I’m a bit tired with all that ambiguity around Lindsay (and Danny). I’d like to finally get some answers as we may spend lifetime guessing what’s really going on with them. I, as JellyBelly, don’t see her selfish but unfortunately understand why people accuse her of it, though I was shocked when I first came to that forum that they actually hate her (she’s by no means my favourite character, I probably don’t even have one – I love them as a team, and can’t imagine the show with even one person missing). I really think the writers got too far with making her character complicated – now it’s simply inconsistent and allowing for too many interpretations. We need some straightforward answers! Otherwise, all those speculations will never stop.
I think we’ve already had everything – Flack hates her, she’s making fuss over her birthday, makes Danny feel guilty and doesn’t even try to help him. Well, for me none of this is true, but if such assumptions are made, it indicates that her character needs a better development. And more canon – it seems that in Lindsay’s case everything has to be shown, no room left for any guessing. I think that everyone here agrees that she did try to reach for Danny after Ruben’s guilt. To me, it’s clear she did but I read somewhere that she was thinking only about herself while telling Mac ‘she’s not good with that kind of things’ (sorry, don't remember correctly). I went like: :wtf: ??
I could perfectly understand their little conversation – I’m also the kind of person that simply cannot find words in such situations, and also doesn’t like to be comforted by others. It’s enough for me to know my friends are there for me, I don’t need to hear it. But about two years ago my friend’s father died. We didn’t see each other for a week after that, and the whole time I was like: 'what should I say? He’s a different kind of person than me, he’d like to hear some comforting words. But what the hell can be said in such situation? Nothing you say can help him and you may even hurt him more. But if you don’t say anything, he would think you don’t care. Well, I wouldn’t think so, but he’s different and likes things spoken. God, I’m really hopeless at that kind of things'. As you can see, it’s easy for me to understand Lindsay’s motivation. She's used to distancing herself from all the people (at least that’s how I see her), so it’s natural she would have problems with comforting Danny, but knowing he needs it – she tried to get some help from Mac (definitely chose the wrong person to confide in, but that's another matter ). If she was thinking about herself – it was thinking like ‘I’m bad at that kind of things, so I’m afraid I may hurt him more if I don’t handle it carefully’. No hint of selfishness to me, but the fact people interpreted it in a completely different way clearly suggests that at least for some time Lindsay’s character needs clear-cut development.
Hmmm, I had a few more comments to make but I’ve just noticed the length of my post, I guess it will be better to stop now
Hello, I hope you can accept a person who’s not really a D/L shipper (I mean I don’t care whether they’re together or not, as long as they’re over all that angst and back to their old selves). I didn’t read the whole thread, just a few last pages but I simply must share my thoughts about some things.
I don't see her as selfish in SD, too – I think she was feeling guilty, and ‘It should have been me’ or sth like that, is a natural reaction and her words were means of apologizing (though she had nothing to apologize for, she didn’t ask Danny to take her shift). I think I’d react the same way and it doesn’t exclude her concern for Danny. I guess, people who don’t like her, they interpret it in a completely different way, and I must admit I’m a bit tired with all that ambiguity around Lindsay (and Danny). I’d like to finally get some answers as we may spend lifetime guessing what’s really going on with them. I, as JellyBelly, don’t see her selfish but unfortunately understand why people accuse her of it, though I was shocked when I first came to that forum that they actually hate her (she’s by no means my favourite character, I probably don’t even have one – I love them as a team, and can’t imagine the show with even one person missing). I really think the writers got too far with making her character complicated – now it’s simply inconsistent and allowing for too many interpretations. We need some straightforward answers! Otherwise, all those speculations will never stop.
I think we’ve already had everything – Flack hates her, she’s making fuss over her birthday, makes Danny feel guilty and doesn’t even try to help him. Well, for me none of this is true, but if such assumptions are made, it indicates that her character needs a better development. And more canon – it seems that in Lindsay’s case everything has to be shown, no room left for any guessing. I think that everyone here agrees that she did try to reach for Danny after Ruben’s guilt. To me, it’s clear she did but I read somewhere that she was thinking only about herself while telling Mac ‘she’s not good with that kind of things’ (sorry, don't remember correctly). I went like: :wtf: ??
I could perfectly understand their little conversation – I’m also the kind of person that simply cannot find words in such situations, and also doesn’t like to be comforted by others. It’s enough for me to know my friends are there for me, I don’t need to hear it. But about two years ago my friend’s father died. We didn’t see each other for a week after that, and the whole time I was like: 'what should I say? He’s a different kind of person than me, he’d like to hear some comforting words. But what the hell can be said in such situation? Nothing you say can help him and you may even hurt him more. But if you don’t say anything, he would think you don’t care. Well, I wouldn’t think so, but he’s different and likes things spoken. God, I’m really hopeless at that kind of things
'. As you can see, it’s easy for me to understand Lindsay’s motivation. She's used to distancing herself from all the people (at least that’s how I see her), so it’s natural she would have problems with comforting Danny, but knowing he needs it – she tried to get some help from Mac (definitely chose the wrong person to confide in, but that's another matter ). If she was thinking about herself – it was thinking like ‘I’m bad at that kind of things, so I’m afraid I may hurt him more if I don’t handle it carefully’. No hint of selfishness to me, but the fact people interpreted it in a completely different way clearly suggests that at least for some time Lindsay’s character needs clear-cut development. Hmmm, I had a few more comments to make but I’ve just noticed the length of my post, I guess it will be better to stop now
nattybatty55
Nadalaholic
Re: Danny/Lindsay #22: I've fallen in love with you...and I can't let
Hey guys I've been busy for the past few weeks but have started to wear out my lurking seat I really hope i'll find the time to post because I miss you guys.....
Fighter- I got half way through reading that and it was really just bashing Lindsay....Nothing to do with DL. So you might want to copy and post that and put it in the Why must Lindsay go? thread
Hey guys
I've been busy for the past few weeks but have started to wear out my lurking seat I really hope i'll find the time to post because I miss you guys.....Fighter- I got half way through reading that and it was really just bashing Lindsay....Nothing to do with DL. So you might want to copy and post that and put it in the Why must Lindsay go? thread
Fighter
Lab Technician
Re: Danny/Lindsay #22: I've fallen in love with you...and I can't let
sorry, but I hope you're joking? I know my comments were a little OT but the recent discussion here went that way (some people asking about Lindsay being selfish and others trying to explain her bahaviour) so I thought I'd add my comments on that topic, don't really think I was bashing her ...
sorry, but I hope you're joking? I know my comments were a little OT but the recent discussion here went that way (some people asking about Lindsay being selfish and others trying to explain her bahaviour) so I thought I'd add my comments on that topic, don't really think I was bashing her ...
nattybatty55
Nadalaholic
Re: Danny/Lindsay #22: I've fallen in love with you...and I can't let
Sorry- I'd just been having an argument with someone outside the board...And have been taking the anger out on my keyboard and you :lol: But im back to normally happy self now and I actually agree with part o the post:lol:
Sorry- I'd just been having an argument with someone outside the board...And have been taking the anger out on my keyboard and you :lol: But im back to normally happy self now and I actually agree with part o the post:lol:
Re: Danny/Lindsay #22: I've fallen in love with you...and I can't let
I think that it is fair to say that everyone has their own interpretation of Danny and Lindsay and any form of relationship they may have had or be having based on what was shown. Last season quite confused the hell out me on the DL front. It left me with loads of questions and thoughts that I don't seem to be able to answer because I think they left most DL to our imaginiations last season.
I just keep thinking of when Danny said to Lindsay in SD "Its good that this happened" then kissed her forehead. But then I also think that Danny wouldn't have been the type to cheat if he was in the real relationship.
:wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf:
I hope that we get answers soon in Season five.
I think that it is fair to say that everyone has their own interpretation of Danny and Lindsay and any form of relationship they may have had or be having based on what was shown. Last season quite confused
the hell out me on the DL front. It left me with loads of questions and thoughts that I don't seem to be able to answer because I think they left most DL to our imaginiations last season.I just keep thinking of when Danny said to Lindsay in SD "Its good that this happened" then kissed her forehead
. But then I also think that Danny wouldn't have been the type to cheat if he was in the real relationship.:wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf:
I hope that we get answers soon in Season five.
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dutch_treat
CSI Level Two
Re: Danny/Lindsay #22: I've fallen in love with you...and I can't let
I believe I've said it before about the whole 'Lindsay being selfish'. In my opinion it's not actually selfishness, but in many cases more her way of trying to protect herself from getting hurt (again)...Whenever things get too emotional or people get to close to her heart, she doesn't know how to react or what to say and she doesn't say a thing or the wrong things.
She is doing a lot better ever since the Montana trial, but to me it still feels like she's sometimes that scared young girl again, the one that just saw her whole life been literally blown to pieces and she will do whatever she can to not have that kind of feeling again...And that's probably why she's stalling to have the talk with Danny too - she's knows that something's up and she knows that what he's going to tell her (if he ever does :scream will hurt her...
But I agree with JB, if you don't like the character, you will probably intepret her actions in a quite different way
And the "I've fallen in love with you" was only after she realized that she was losing him and that he perhaps needed to hear her say it instead of just being there for him...But it was brave of her to finally admit that and I do believe it is what will save them in the end
Yeah, sure I do...you can bring the cocktails, but could you please send SMM for the kisses...:devil:
I have this one; it's one of my all time favourite Danny pics and I believe it was a promo pic for that ep (and if not - it's still hot):
(click to enlarge :drool
And a nice D/L one from 4x01:
*sprays Natty with some pink fog* - You should come around more often (as should I - I know)
I believe I've said it before about the whole 'Lindsay being selfish'. In my opinion it's not actually selfishness, but in many cases more her way of trying to protect herself from getting hurt (again)...Whenever things get too emotional or people get to close to her heart, she doesn't know how to react or what to say and she doesn't say a thing or the wrong things.
She is doing a lot better ever since the Montana trial, but to me it still feels like she's sometimes that scared young girl again, the one that just saw her whole life been literally blown to pieces and she will do whatever she can to not have that kind of feeling again...And that's probably why she's stalling to have the talk with Danny too - she's knows that something's up and she knows that what he's going to tell her (if he ever does :scream
will hurt her...But I agree with JB, if you don't like the character, you will probably intepret her actions in a quite different way
Well, she did leave him that card, but it is arguable that it would've perhaps been better to say goodbye to him in person...But that again would've been a situation in which she was confronted with her pain and she decided to take this route because she already had so much to worry about, and adding Danny's worry to that could've been too much to handle.
And the "I've fallen in love with you" was only after she realized that she was losing him and that he perhaps needed to hear her say it instead of just being there for him...But it was brave of her to finally admit that and I do believe it is what will save them in the end
Yeah, sure I do
...you can bring the cocktails, but could you please send SMM for the kisses...:devil:I have this one; it's one of my all time favourite Danny pics and I believe it was a promo pic for that ep (and if not - it's still hot):
(click to enlarge :droolAnd a nice D/L one from 4x01:
*sprays Natty with some pink fog* - You should come around more often (as should I - I know
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Re: Danny/Lindsay #22: I've fallen in love with you...and I can't let
Dutch_treat I fully agree with your last post and the photos :drool:.
On reflection my current thinking is that (being the type of people that they) SD scared them and they both backed off to be friends like they were before - hence the jokeness on the Season 4 pre rubens death.
Dutch_treat I fully agree with your last post and the photos :drool:.
On reflection my current thinking is that (being the type of people that they) SD scared them and they both backed off to be friends like they were before - hence the jokeness on the Season 4 pre rubens death.
Dawni
CSI Level One
Re: Danny/Lindsay #22: I've fallen in love with you...and I can't let
*drools*
I just love his arms they are soo muscular.
God i would have loved to be Anna in those scenes when he hugs her.... or is generally close to him. Oooh would be so nice.
I always think that one reason they look good together is they are both reasonable heigh to each other sounds wierd but if they look outta proportion never quiet works but they have just the right difference.... i'm probably just random.
*drools*
I just love his arms they are soo muscular.
God i would have loved to be Anna in those scenes when he hugs her.... or is generally close to him. Oooh would be so nice.
I always think that one reason they look good together is they are both reasonable heigh to each other sounds wierd but if they look outta proportion never quiet works but they have just the right difference.... i'm probably just random.
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