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I kinda feel bad for both Lindsay and Flack--I think they're in the same boat when it comes to having unrequited feelings for Danny. If Lindsay weren't so selfish, I'd feel worse for her, because at least Danny lets Flack in, confides in him and trusts him.
Any way you read it--romantic, fraternal, friendship--what Flack did for Danny in "All in the Family" was an act of love. And at the end, when Danny was a little brat to him, Flack could have thrown up his hands in frustration and said, "You know what, fix your own mess next time." But he didn't. He looked Danny straight in the eye and said, "You're my friend. Makes it my business." I have a feeling he probably wanted to say more--like maybe the L-word--but he held back. And Danny just kind of digested the information.
I kind of wonder if Danny has picked up on Flack's desire for him and offered him sex after one of the many times Flack's been there for him. I could see that happening. And I think Flack would take him up on it.
Agreed. I think Danny knows he can let his guard down with Flack, and I also think Danny knows just how susceptible Flack is to those big eyes of his. Danny has probably realized Flack will do anything for him. It's just a question of whether or not he's figured out why. But for now, I also think Flack's feelings are mostly unrequited. I'm not sure Danny's in a place where he can love anyone back right now.
Exactly. If Danny opens up to Flack like that, if he trusts Flack like that and then Flack hurts him? Danny would probably just be crushed. Flack is the person who is always there for him, and if Danny didn't have Flack, he'd probably feel pretty darn bereft.
And that's what Danny doesn't get--Flack never would give up on him. Flack loves Danny--not just the fact that he's sexy and alluring or that he has a coy, flirty personality, but loves Danny, the guy who walks around with his heart on his sleeve, the guy who messes up trying to do the right thing, the guy who cares a little too much. Hell, Flack even loves Danny's dumb jokes. Flack loves Danny. Danny just needs to get that.
Sammy! Great to see you here. And yes, ugh, no amalgamation of names here...though I do hear Flack is rather fond of Danny's fanny. :devil:
Flack is totally patient, and I think to him waiting for Danny is okay. Flack clearly doesn't want for company :lol: and if it takes Danny a little while to come around, well, Flack sure does seem confident that he will eventually do so.
I think that's the big difference between Lindsay and Flack: Lindsay cares about what Danny can do for her, and Flack cares about Danny himself.
Exactly, because even if Danny felt the same--and it doesn't seem like he does where Lindsay is concerned--more guilt is the last thing he needs at the moment. And Flack would never do that to him--he genuinely loves Danny too much to try to make what he feels for Danny something Danny should feel bad or guilty about.
Oh, Flack has no self control around food, but he has even less around Danny. I think if you gave Flack the choice between the perfect hot dog and naked Danny, he'd choose Danny, but oh, what a hard choice! :lol:
Exactly. If Danny was hurting himself or doing something to endanger himself--like he did in 413--Flack would be there in a heartbeat, and he wouldn't let that happen. But if Danny chooses to do something to ease his guilt that isn't harmful or self-destructive, Flack is going to respect that. Flack respects and loves Danny enough to accept that Danny has free will, and the right to act as he chooses, to confide in who he chooses, to seek solace with who he chooses.
I think Flack would want to at least feel like he's got a shot. The guy might be a romantic, but he's not a masochist. He's not going to want to go to Danny just to get shot down.
Danny's The One as far as Flack's concerned. And Flack's a patient man--he knows that sooner or later, he's going to get Danny to come around.
I kinda feel bad for both Lindsay and Flack--I think they're in the same boat when it comes to having unrequited feelings for Danny. If Lindsay weren't so selfish, I'd feel worse for her, because at least Danny lets Flack in, confides in him and trusts him.
Awwww, how true. Since the pilot episode, Danny and Flack have been good friends and until today, almost four seasons later, their relationship is as strong and enduring as ever. And this is after Danny's screwed up many times already! :lol: What happened with Rikki-Ruben situation would have left major dents in most friendships, what with the way Flack went after Danny and got into Danny's face like he did and more, but it didn't hurt the relationship between Danny and Flack at all. In fact, what we got out of the situation was absolute proof of just how much and how far Flack will go to help Danny (within the boundaries of the law, of course). Danny even told him off to his face and what did Flack do? He looked beyond Danny's frustration and stress and saw the real Danny who was still hurting inside and told Danny the truth: that he was Danny's friend and, between the lines, that he cared about Danny.
Any way you read it--romantic, fraternal, friendship--what Flack did for Danny in "All in the Family" was an act of love. And at the end, when Danny was a little brat to him, Flack could have thrown up his hands in frustration and said, "You know what, fix your own mess next time." But he didn't. He looked Danny straight in the eye and said, "You're my friend. Makes it my business." I have a feeling he probably wanted to say more--like maybe the L-word--but he held back. And Danny just kind of digested the information.
After what Flack did for him in 4x13? He better offer Flack something damn good! :devil: :devil: :devil:
I kind of wonder if Danny has picked up on Flack's desire for him and offered him sex after one of the many times Flack's been there for him. I could see that happening. And I think Flack would take him up on it.
I'm afraid to say, for now, it does seem that Flack's feelings are largely unrequited. That's not to say Danny isn't aware of them though. There's something about the way Danny always looks at Flack with such big and trusting eyes ... I think he knows very well that Flack cares deeply for him but, like Fay said, he may be too afraid to gauge the depth of Flack's feelings and what that means.
Agreed. I think Danny knows he can let his guard down with Flack, and I also think Danny knows just how susceptible Flack is to those big eyes of his. Danny has probably realized Flack will do anything for him. It's just a question of whether or not he's figured out why. But for now, I also think Flack's feelings are mostly unrequited. I'm not sure Danny's in a place where he can love anyone back right now.
Sometimes people let themselves be trapped in vicious emotional cycles not because they like it, but because they've become so used to it they can't consider anything else. For Danny, who's had his trust broken and been abandoned by people he cared about, someone like Flack is both a dream come true and something that scares the living @#$% out of him. Flack is exactly what can break him out of his vicious emotional cycle, but his fear of being hurt again and his fear of living different circumstances (even if they're good for him) stops him from making that jump, so to speak.
Exactly. If Danny opens up to Flack like that, if he trusts Flack like that and then Flack hurts him? Danny would probably just be crushed. Flack is the person who is always there for him, and if Danny didn't have Flack, he'd probably feel pretty darn bereft.
Good news for Danny, Flack is one patient, loving, resilient SOB. :lol: Oh yeah, he'll always be there for Danny, no matter who else comes and goes. I can definitely see them close to each other decades in the future, and even if Danny's still an emotional wreck, well ... Flack will have no problem with that. Flack accepts Danny for who he is, never tries to change Danny into someone else to suit a fantasy and goes to great lengths beyond the call of friendship to help Danny in time of need, without expecting anything in return.
And that's what Danny doesn't get--Flack never would give up on him. Flack loves Danny--not just the fact that he's sexy and alluring or that he has a coy, flirty personality, but loves Danny, the guy who walks around with his heart on his sleeve, the guy who messes up trying to do the right thing, the guy who cares a little too much. Hell, Flack even loves Danny's dumb jokes. Flack loves Danny. Danny just needs to get that.
Amalgamation of names? although I think we can leave out Flanny as that is just too close to something that does not belong in this partnership! :devil:
Sammy! Great to see you here. And yes, ugh, no amalgamation of names here...though I do hear Flack is rather fond of Danny's fanny. :devil:
My opinion is basically that as Danny is most of the time totally clueless about his actions and Flack is just the walking poster boy for unrequited love Flack will pass this off as something Danny needs to do (as Danny and Rikki are using each other, which they have admitted as well, WOW Danny can communicate and behave almost like an adult?) and work out himself, because Flack is just that kind of understanding.
Flack is totally patient, and I think to him waiting for Danny is okay. Flack clearly doesn't want for company :lol: and if it takes Danny a little while to come around, well, Flack sure does seem confident that he will eventually do so.
Flack wouldn't rip Danny a new one about how he isn't sharing secrets with him and not going to his party and won't sit at the lunch table with him :wtf:. He'd try and understand and be there for his friend (as we have previously seen) and let Danny deal with it in his own way unless of course that way was physically harming Danny (as in detremental to his health/ wellbeing/ emotional state) then I think he would definitely step in (again we've seen him do that too).
I think that's the big difference between Lindsay and Flack: Lindsay cares about what Danny can do for her, and Flack cares about Danny himself.
Plus Flack would NOT dump his feelings onto Danny at this point either. Finding out that somebody loves you is actually quite a lot of responsiblity and most people know not to take that lightly - I know this is not really the place but i have to say it - and for her to dump all that on someone who feel guilty enough as it is. BANG OUT OF ORDER! :censored:
Exactly, because even if Danny felt the same--and it doesn't seem like he does where Lindsay is concerned--more guilt is the last thing he needs at the moment. And Flack would never do that to him--he genuinely loves Danny too much to try to make what he feels for Danny something Danny should feel bad or guilty about.
I think Don would lose control and make a big mess--and afterwards, he'd be mourning the loss of good food and Danny would have to comfort him. Then they could order some take-out and find a way to amuse themselves until the food got there. :devil:
Oh, Flack has no self control around food, but he has even less around Danny. I think if you gave Flack the choice between the perfect hot dog and naked Danny, he'd choose Danny, but oh, what a hard choice! :lol:
Yeah, exactly. Flack's not going to make a big deal or kick up a fuss about how Danny chooses to deal with his crap--he might not necessarily agree, but he's going to be very sympathetic to the fact that Danny thinks he's doing the right thing. Danny doesn't need to be scolded or set straight or anything of the sort--he needs support, and Don's going to give it to him no matter what. If things become too much and it's self-destructive, I could see Flack stepping in then out of concern for Danny, but as long as it's a mutual decision to do something that may or may not be a major mistake--Don's going to let Danny take the wheel.
Exactly. If Danny was hurting himself or doing something to endanger himself--like he did in 413--Flack would be there in a heartbeat, and he wouldn't let that happen. But if Danny chooses to do something to ease his guilt that isn't harmful or self-destructive, Flack is going to respect that. Flack respects and loves Danny enough to accept that Danny has free will, and the right to act as he chooses, to confide in who he chooses, to seek solace with who he chooses.
Flack is used to keeping his feelings to himself, I think, given that Danny doesn't seem to return the feelings that Flack has toward him. It would take a lot for Don to share his feelings openly anyway, I think, and he'd want to do it at the right time.
I think Flack would want to at least feel like he's got a shot. The guy might be a romantic, but he's not a masochist. He's not going to want to go to Danny just to get shot down.
Now, all that having been said--in the end, after being a big D/F fan for several years, I'm probably always going to look at it as coming back to these two no matter what. In the end, Flack can't love anybody the way he loves Danny, and so on. He might fall in love, maybe even get married (they both might), but as time goes on, it won't change the inevitable: they'll get together some day.
Danny's The One as far as Flack's concerned. And Flack's a patient man--he knows that sooner or later, he's going to get Danny to come around.