Danny/Flack #6 - Bottom Line: Flack Wants Danny

[Kimmychu]

Spoiler: Episode 4x13

It never occurred to me that Lindsay called Flack 'Don' in the spoiler for that brush off scene at Danny's apartment door until Lukaret pointed it out to me over at my CSI:NY LJ. She had this to say about it: And I think it's telling that in the conversation between Danny and Lindsay, she says "...so don't make me ask Don what happened today." Great point on how close Danny and Flack's relationship as friends is that Flack either can infer or knows why Danno's absent. ... The question is, has Lindsay ever called Flack by his first name before? I can't remember. If she never has, do you guys think this is some underhanded tactic of hers to get Danny to talk to her? :lol: Wow, Montana, way to use Danny's real lo- I mean, best friend to get what you want!

Heheh, here's something on a happier note to ponder about:

What do you guys think Danny's bedroom is like? And should Flack be a naughty boy one day and go through Danny's underwear drawer, what is Flack going to find in there? :devil:

 

[chaostheory08]

Well, I don't see him committing suicide or hurting himself. But Danny could shut everybody out in that "I just want to be alone for an indefinite amount of time" thing. Won't let anybody near him, talking to him... even Flack.

If ever that happens, Flack would give him his space while Lindsey might force herself through that wall. Flack knows when Danny needs his space and how much. Also, Flack doesn't beat around the bush -- tells Danny what he NEEDS to hear and not what he WANTS to hear.

What do you guys think Danny's bedroom is like? And should Flack be a naughty boy one day and go through Danny's underwear drawer, what is Flack going to find in there?

Tee-hee, I thought of this right away. What'll Flack find in Danny's underwear drawer.... :devil:

Or..... :devil: what item(s) will he take with him? :devil:

 

[Elsie]

Interesting discussions....

What do I think Danny's bedroom is like? Well, if the state of his clothes is anything to go by then I would say it is probably messy. Clothes strewn on the floor, probably because he's in such a rush to undress that he doesn't bother with things like hanging them up... :lol: :devil: Oh, I'm sure his underwear drawer is full of all sorts of fun things, and a cute picture of Flack of course. Not to mention the BVD's that he buys in a 3 pack for $10 (IIRC that was Danny?).

Spoiler: 413

Yeah, Lindsay referring to Flack as 'Don' is strange, and I can't recall her ever saying it before... What's good though is that it makes me think that obviously Flack looked for Danny, and eventually found him. So there should be a good D/F scene in there somewhere (we can hope). I wonder whether Flack will be mad with Danny for something, or if he will be supportive as he always has been in the past. He was obviously very worried about Danny and he knows how to calm Danny down. So hopefully whatever is going on Flack will be able to help him. And of course, Flack seems to be the one worried enough about Danny to stop at nothing to track him down, and probably be the one he will confide in too. These are all reasons why the D/F relationship is so awesome! I really hope all of these spoilers end up in the episode, because it's so great and so right to use the D/F relationship to help Danny through his troubles. eta: I also would be interested to see a scene with Lindsay asking Flack what is going on, I doubt Lindsay will ask Flack, but it would be very interesting to see how that played out...

 

[chaostheory08]

LOL, I wonder how Flack reacted when Lindsey called him "Don".

Spoiler: 413

I hope so too. It'll be so nice to see all these spoilers coming true. It'll do so much for both characters and their stories. I think if Flack found Danny, it'll be Danny who will be angry. He went away without saying where only to have Flack find him. *swoon*

 

[Top41]

Flack going through Danny's underwear drawer? No doubt he'd find those BVDs, but maybe he'd make an executive decision and decide he prefers his Kinkapoodle sans underwear and make off with the entire contents of the drawer. :devil:

Spoiler: 413

I could see this being the boys' first real fight possibly. Danny would be upset with Flack for going through his things and tracking him down, and Flack would be pissed because he got so damn worried about Danny. However, I think we know who will back down first and be concilatory. Flack always tries to make Danny feel better when he's upset, and I suspect this will be no different. And Flack breaking into Danny's place because he's so worried about him? Talk about an act of love.

 

[Kimmychu]

:lol: I totally forgot about Danny and his BVDs! The naughty boy that he is, he must have much more diversity with his underwear than just BVDs. :devil: Maybe a few tighty whities to show off that backside, maybe a few Y-fronts, and oh, I dunno ... some thongs? :devil:

And how about something that goes *VVRRRRRRRR*? :devil: :lol: Imagine Flack's face when he sees THAT.

Spoiler: Episode 4x13

Ooo, a heated confrontation between Danny and Flack? I'm all for it. :devil: Just imagine Danny all angry and right up in Flack's face and there's just inches between them and Flack grabs his arms and - screencappy goodness! I can't wait! However ... I guess I'm crazy for thinking this, I don't think Danny will even dredge up any anger after knowing Flack went inside his place without his permission. If something really bad had happened before that, something that Flack witnessed that was bad enough for Flack to do a B&E, Danny must obviously know Flack's going to go looking for him sooner or later. He might even be grateful to see Flack once Flack's found him elsewhere. Either way, it's gonna be hot. :devil:

 

[chaostheory08]

Spoiler: 413

Oh yeah, if there is anyone who can find Danny and get to him, that is Flack. And I think Danny expects it. Mac and Stella come to him as his superiors, Sheldon and the others as collegues but Flack comes to him as a REAL friend. And yes, this time maybe there will be a major Danny and Flack falling out. Yet I don't think it won't reach a "not talking to you" stage. Just the cold shoulder treatment -- such as how Flack talked to Danny after he came back from Montana (accdg to what my friend observed).

Hahah, I can see it now.... Flack all worried, barging into Danny's bedroom, going through the drawers -- until he gets to the underwear... :lol:

Gargh... I have the same hair as Lindsey's. And my friends are giving me hell because of it hahaha.

 

[Lorelai]

Spoiler: Elsie quote

I also would be interested to see a scene with Lindsay asking Flack what is going on, I doubt Lindsay will ask Flack, but it would be very interesting to see how that played out...

Spoiler: 413

Yes, I dare u Lindsay! Ask Flack! Wanna see him biting your head off! BTW. Nice way of making your true love open up to you: blackmail.. Don't make me ask Flack. So, Flack knows. Me likes that!

What do I think Danny's bedroom is like? Well, if the state of his clothes is anything to go by then I would say it is probably messy.

A mess! LOL BTW Think he moved again or he still lives where he lived in SD?

 

[Kimmychu]

Lorelai said:
A mess! LOL BTW Think he moved again or he still lives where he lived in SD?

:lol: :lol: :lol: Yeah! We gotta keep an eye out for the motorcycle and the pool table and plasma TV! If those are gone ... well, then I guess poor Danny had to sell them all off and get cash to keep Montana happy with pricey gifts.

By the way, your Flack lolz banner is so cute! Which episode is it from? It looks almost like a near blooper where Eddie had to stop himself from laughing during a scene! :lol:

And oh, chaostheory08, I know, you can go for Danny's hair cut next! :lol: All spiked up with blonde tints, ya know? I think I wanna try that soon.

Anyways, since episode 4x06, the Halloween episode, has aired, what do you guys think the Amityville case would have been like if it'd been Danny and Flack working on it?

Remember Flack in season one being teased by Stella and Aiden for being afraid of ghosties and haunted places? Danny and Flack being there on their own would have been perfect! Danny would have had such glee playing pranks on Flack and spooking the guy! :devil: And imagine if it was Flack who'd been jumped on by the old woman! Do you guys think he would have jumped six feet into the air and squealed like a girl? :lol:

 

[chaostheory08]

Kimmy, I was aiming for Rihanna's hair but... oh well. :lol: At least it's back to its original color.

Remember Flack in season one being teased by Stella and Aiden for being afraid of ghosties and haunted places? Danny and Flack being there on their own would have been perfect! Danny would have had such glee playing pranks on Flack and spooking the guy! And imagine if it was Flack who'd been jumped on by the old woman! Do you guys think he would have jumped six feet into the air and squealed like a girl?

OMG, that would be soooo priceless! I was just gonna say something related to this anyway haha. I was filling up a slumbook or something like that (oh, so high school haha) and there was a question: What scares you the most? The image in my mind right away was Danny and Flack in a filthy room (crime scene) with a cockroach flying around, Danny clutching Flack's arm trying to shield himself from the insect. :lol:

What (material) thing/insect scares Flack and Danny the most? I mean, it could be the smallest thing as that cockroach or a big hairy spider. :lol:

 

[Lorelai]

Kimmychu said:



By the way, your Flack lolz banner is so cute! Which episode is it from? It looks almost like a near blooper where Eddie had to stop himself from laughing during a scene! :lol:

Faylinn said:
I'm guessing the banner is from "You Only Die Once" when that chick identifies their dead guy as the one that broke into her apartment. *waits for confirmation*

:lol:

Anyways, since episode 4x06, the Halloween episode, has aired, what do you guys think the Amityville case would have been like if it'd been Danny and Flack working on it?

Remember Flack in season one being teased by Stella and Aiden for being afraid of ghosties and haunted places? Danny and Flack being there on their own would have been perfect! Danny would have had such glee playing pranks on Flack and spooking the guy! And imagine if it was Flack who'd been jumped on by the old woman! Do you guys think he would have jumped six feet into the air and squealed like a girl?

That would have been perfect. I think that Flack would have sent Danny after the old lady. No way he goes after her alone. :lol: But sadly TPTB shoved his fear of the supernatural in the same drawer with his allergies. Danny teasing Flack, Flack freaking out over everything. :lol: So, congrats TPTB, you've managed to waste yet another opportunity for a great episode. Hope they'll make it up to us with episode 413.

 

[Faylinn]

Flack would be walking around with his gun out thinking *like this is going to work against a ghost--where in the hell is Danny?* and then he'd be like "Dan?" and Danny would tilt his head into the room like "What?" and Don would jump because he hadn't expected him to answer so close and Danny would just laugh at him.

And later there would be steaming hot man sex to make up for the whole experience.

What?! You know all roads lead to porn where I'm concerned.

I mentioned this to Top and she said I should bring it up in here, so I thought I would. I was reading this interesting essay about slash where the author explains what slash means to her. This part stood out to me as being relevant to D/F:

The Brat Queen said:
"What is slash?" people ask, genuinely curious. "When you take two same-sex characters on a show or a book or a movie and put them together in a romantic relationship - what is that? Where does that even come from?"
*****
Easy, I tell them (and now you): take any scene of those two characters together. Change the gender of one of them. Repeat the scene exactly as it was done before. Same dialogue, same blocking, same inflection to all the lines, same everything. Now ask yourself if you have any doubt that those two characters are meant to be fucking. There you go. That's where slash comes from. Thanks for reading! Drive home safe!

:lol: Seriously, though, think about it--that diner scene in "On the Job": if Danny were a woman and called Don in there to talk to 'her', would there be any doubt that something is going on there (or should be going on)? If you think about the major D/F stuff and switch one of them from a man to a woman, far fewer people would contest the idea of the ship.

I'm not saying that two guys can't be friends--to be honest, that's one of the most annoying damn things I ever see about slash. I'm not making every set of friends ever into more than that, I'm just talking about two specific people. And it's not that these two aren't good as friends--they obviously are, or why would we give a damn?--it's just that I think there's a basis for more than that.

Yeah, I know, I'm preaching to the choir here, but it really bugs me when people start with their 'those two are friends, can't two guys just be friends?' spiel.

Yes, they can, but then there's no buttsex. Duh.

Seriously, though, you guys should read that essay. I think it does a good job of articulating my opinions as well.

 

[Top41]

As Fay knows, I think this subject is a really interesting one--I think if Danny was a girl and he and Flack had the kind of relationship they do on TV, they would be the couple on the show. If Danny were a chick, everyone would take a look at Flack's devotion, his staring, his giddy smile and say, "That guy's totally in love with Danny." It's only because they're guys that many resist the idea.

And I think Danny and Flack actually have a relationship that's much more conventional and traditional than most heterosexual ones on TV these days. Flack is the devoted provider; Danny is the 'angel on a pedestal' that Flack adores and protects and takes care of. If Danny were a woman, we might call Flack sexist, because he clearly doesn't think Danny can take care of himself. :lol:

Spoiler: 413 example

Breaking into Danny's apartment in 413 is a perfect example of this...Danny's not home, so Flack just barrells into his apartment, as though it's his right to know where Danny is and what's eating at him. It's romantic, yeah, but also a little presumptive, in that the implication is that Danny needs his help.

Flack clearly looks at protecting Danny as his "right"--in RSRD, he declares for both of them, "We're not going anywhere." Rather than protesting or going off on his own like Danny is prone to doing, he turns, meets Flack's eyes, and passively accepts Flack's declaration.

So I think their relationship is pretty traditional in the way relationships used to be between men and women. It's not quite equal--except for that "shared experience."

But I do think it illustrates Fay's point--if Danny was a girl, people would be embracing the ship in droves.

I'm also not one of those people who sees every male friendship as slash--Danny and Flack are really the only couple I ship, period, because I do see the romance there. I think Flack is head over heels in love with Danny, and it's very telling that Danny turns to Flack for emotional support. That suggests two things to me: Danny has a clue about the depth of Flack's feelings for him, and Flack is the one person he really trusts.

 

[Kimmychu]

Ahh, the Brat Queen slash essay. I remember reading it when I first got into slash long, long ago. That bit amused me too. :lol: And it's straightforward and true!

I agree, if either one of the guys changed genders, this ship would probably overwhelm the universe. Heck, it's a slash ship and it's already very popular all over the world! For example, we're talking thousands upon thousands of fans in Korea alone. (I got confirmation about this from a Korean D/F fan.) Want a list of countries where there are D/F fans? Think US, UK, France, Germany, Norway, Spain, Netherlands, Malaysia, Phillipines, Thailand, Russia, China, Taiwan, Japan, Hong Kong, Korea ... what, you want me to go on? Japanese D/F fans have even created fan comics for it!

If people wanna claim that slash is 'only known in the US and accepted there', wow, do they have something coming their way or what. I know for sure now that slash truly crosses both physical and cultural boundaries, and D/F? Hey, man, when you have fans of the ship even in countries where English isn't the first language and homosexuality is viewed in a negative light, you know there's something good about D/F.

The whole 'Why can't they be just friends?' arguement is one very old, beaten like a freakin' dead horse one in fandom. Amusing enough, it's usually a het fan who brings that up to a slash fan, as if that's enough to conquerourevilslashywaysOMG. :lol: Then again, I get why it popped up in the first place; there are slashers who do slash every guy in whatever fandom they're in just for the sake of slashing. (Then again, there are het fans who do the same with the men and women, so neither side is innocent.)

I've read many, many fanfics for many, many fandoms in my time, but Danny/Flack is the first ship/fandom where I've wanted to and have written stories, created fanwork, etc. for it. Pretty faces and hot bods aren't enough for me to really love a ship. There has to be more than just chemistry too; history, genuine affection and care, understanding and respect. And boy ... does D/F have all of that and more!

 

[chaostheory08]

Seriously, though, think about it--that diner scene in "On the Job": if Danny were a woman and called Don in there to talk to 'her', would there be any doubt that something is going on there (or should be going on)? If you think about the major D/F stuff and switch one of them from a man to a woman, far fewer people would contest the idea of the ship.

Oh just imagine the connotation of the "Yah like that?" scene. LOL.

In the words of the late Aiden Burn, "That's sexual harrassment, Danny." :lol:

Flack clearly looks at protecting Danny as his "right"--in RSRD, he declares for both of them, "We're not going anywhere." Rather than protesting or going off on his own like Danny is prone to doing, he turns, meets Flack's eyes, and passively accepts Flack's declaration.

I agree. After all, Flack could've easily just said, "I'll watch him" or "He's not going anywhere" or maybe "I'm not gonna let him out of my sight". But he said that he's staying there with Danny.

Hey, man, when you have fans of the ship even in countries where English isn't the first language and homosexuality is viewed in a negative light, you know there's something good about D/F.

I'm from the Philippines. English is our second language -- learned in school. And we're soooooo Catholic (one of the two countries that outlaw divorce and abortion is a crime) that homosexuality is viewed negatively. But I have a lot of friends who appreciate D/F. Some aren't even avid viewers of CSI:NY; they just grasp what D/F is about.

And it's not just in the sexual context of relationship. I have one friend who actually LOVES how their friendship is played out on-screen. "Seems so natural and effortless," she says.