CSI: NY Season 4 Spoilers! Discussion in the Big Apple

[Gaelen]

Heh, killing Rikki - although I would like her gone - is kind of...pathetic.

I also can't see TPTB making Danny/Lindsay/Rikki the focal point of an episode no matter how they do it.

Same here. They shouldn't anyway. Relationships shouldn't be the focal point of any episode IMO. The writers should be focusing on making their cases more interesting

 

[MacsLady]

Mac and Claire's marriage could well have been a happy, loving one. But even happy, loving marriages go through periods of strain, and people do stupid things they later regret i.e. cheating. Doesn't make it right, but it happens.
If the Mac-cheated-on-Claire thing does come up, I hope they just keep it to one episode and it doesn't become a whole big thing. I like character development, but all this 'cheating' and relationship stuff is starting to make it more like CSI: SO!
I wonder whether Quinn was also married/in a relationship when the cheating happened, if it did happen.
But I still don't get why Mac would have slept with some woman who wanted the same job as him. I also wonder how long ago this was? Around 9/11, or way before? We don't know how long Mac and Claire were married before 9/11.

 

[Top41]

My theory: Rikki finds out that Lindsay and Danny are together together. Rikki kidnaps Lindsay and holds her hostage in a warehouse or basement. Rikki takes Lindsays gun and starts to rant and rave to Lindsay about how she lost someone she loved and now it's time Danny loses someone he loves. Lindsay gets badly beaten by Rikki but not bad enough she can't fight. The swat team and flack and Danny arrive at the scene when Lindsay distracts Rikki.....Lindsay fights like hell and grabs the gun. Rikki and Lindsay have a strugle and Lindsay manages to turn the gun towards Rikki firing a round. Rikki stumbles back and realizes she got shot and crumbles to the ground to her death just as the swat team comes in. Danny comes in calling her name and he finds Lindsay injured and bruised from Rikki beating her and he kisses her with a strong passion and they both declare their love for each other.

Hey it's not a bad plot!!

Actually, it kinda is. It sounds like a plot best left to fanfiction. The bolding all your posts is distracting, iluvdanny2--could you please tone that down? Thanks.

One thing I like about what's going on between Danny and Rikki is how adult they are about it--they communicate, they talk, they know what they're doing. I hope that whatever happens when she returns, it continues in that vein.

As for Mac cheating on Claire, I don't like the idea of it either. I guess we'll see how it plays out tonight--I wonder if maybe he and Claire were separated at the time, or if there's some other explanation because I agree, it doesn't sound at all in character for Mac to do something like that.

 

[Ghawazee]

At the time she died. Mac and Claire were very happy together. Stella said "she had never seen him so happy since...." (when Mac has to prove a man who was in prison was innocent despite of Mac said he was guilty. It was the same episode Stella asked him to take out his wedding ring

Debbie

 

[MacsLady]

One thing I like about what's going on between Danny and Rikki is how adult they are about it--they communicate, they talk, they know what they're doing. I hope that whatever happens when she returns, it continues in that vein.

As for Mac cheating on Claire, I don't like the idea of it either. I guess we'll see how it plays out tonight--I wonder if maybe he and Claire were separated at the time, or if there's some other explanation because I agree, it doesn't sound at all in character for Mac to do something like that.

I like that about Danny and Rikki too. Rikki said straight out that it was just sex, she made sure Danny knew how she felt. If Danny ever gets into a serious, long term committed relationship, I can maybe see it being with Rikki.

I hadn't thought about Mac and Claire being separated at the time Mac cheated (if he did), that's a very plausible idea. Guess we'll have to wait till tonight. Well, me till tommorrow because of the stupid time difference.:scream:

 

[eveninstarz14]

You think Danny and Rikki are being mature about this? Taking advantage of ones grief over the death of someone close to them is not mature to me. This is no way to start a committed and stable relationship. If they want to continue to have a relationship, they should first take a step back and not have sex because that is not going to solve their problems.

I think Rikki needs to leave the city because it seems to me staying where her son was murdered is only bringing her more grief and pain. I would like to see her happier and I feel staying in New York is not going to help her at all. I feel horrible for the woman and how the writers treated her.

 

[Faylinn]

This is no way to start a committed and stable relationship.

They never professed to be trying to start an actual relationship.

People don't always move out of the city when their child dies. On tv, maybe, but I don't think most people abandon their entire life in a city to move--that's just breaking ties with other people and probably, IMO, a way of running away instead of dealing with the feelings. The grief and pain isn't going to go away. A new apartment, maybe, or if her family is elsewhere, possibly, but the idea that she has to go simply because Ruben died is, to me, just a way of conveniently getting rid of her so she's no longer in the picture. *shrug* Not that I put it past the writers to do that, of course.

Also, welcome to the board, KiddohVol1! *waves* It's good to see that you de-lurked to join the discussion.

 

[eveninstarz14]

Well maybe not leave the state, but at least move out of that apartment and area...be with her family to help her overcome this grief.

As for the relationship thing, some people are giving me the impression that they want Danny with Rikki (better chemistry, makes more sense, etc) and I was just stating my reasons as to why I hope that doesn't happen. I have no problems with the two remaining friends but to have a romantic relationship, I think they started on a very bumpy road and won't work out in the long run. I just don't see it working that way. I guess I wouldn't know how to respond in a situation like this, but I can't see sleeping with each other as a good way to get rid of the pain.

 

[Dims]

Well maybe not leave the state, but at least move out of that apartment and area...be with her family to help her overcome this grief.

well no....it is the next door hot neighbor who with his great sex abilities can help you overcome grief.

So if people actually see that as a normal way to start a relationship, and they believe what Danny and Rikki did in the last ep is the example of great communication then i suppose we can also see it as sth wrong and not as normal and common as the rest of you seem to regard it.

 

[PerfectAnomaly]

Well maybe not leave the state, but at least move out of that apartment and area...be with her family to help her overcome this grief.

well no....it is the next door hot neighbor who with his great sex abilities can help you overcome grief.

It seemed to work for Lindsay, although she and Danny aren't neighbors that I'm aware of. Too bad sex with Danny can't cure selfishness as well.

So if people actually see that as a normal way to start a relationship, and they believe what Danny and Rikki did in the last ep is the example of great communication then i suppose we can also see it as sth wrong and not as normal and common as the rest of you seem to regard it.

To follow what Fay and others have said, what people have said is that their reactions are one realistic way people try to deal with grief. No one that I've seen has said they are starting a romantic relationship or that having grief/comfort sex is a good way to start a romantic relationship. Also no one has said anything about how common or uncommon this type of relationship may or may not be.

As far as them starting a romantic relationship, I think that people are responding to seeing chemistry between Carmine and Jacqueline Pinol. It is not out of the realm of possibility, or unrealistic that two people can turn to each other out of grief and once they've helped each other through the worst of it have their relationship turn into something else. Even if it doesn't turn romantic, they have a huge bond because of Ruben and to just abandon that seems like a waste to a lot of people.

One thing to remember is that realistic doesn't equal uncomplicated. What's going on between Danny and Rikki is emotionally complicated and definitely not anything close to perfect, but realistic relationships are complicated and unperfect.

And I agree that having Rikki pack her bags and leave because she's grieving would just be a very convienent and lame way to clear the path for DL 2.0. People, especially parents, don't "get over" the death of a child. They just learn how to go on with their lives while dealing with the grief.

I'm actually surprised people seem to want Rikki gone so badly considering Danny is a lying, cheating bastard who doesn't deserve Lindsay any longer anyway. :wtf:

ETA: Danny and Rikki were both honest and upfront with each other with what they were doing and why. I can understand how people can be upset about what they're doing and why, but I don't get how people can deny that their communication with each other was anything other than clear, open and adult.

 

[Faylinn]

Another thing to remember is that what we chat about here or in Shipper Central is not what we expect to see on the show. Talking about the possibility of them developing a relationship is not the same as saying that what happened in "Right Next Door" was them actually trying to start one. There's canon and then there's us extrapolating on that for discussion/speculation purposes.

I've been writing about Danny hooking up with Flack for ages, does someone want to send a thinly-veiled insult my way that clearly 'some people' can't separate fact from fiction about what is or isn't on the show/believable/common/normal/blah blah blah?

I think the sniping back and forth about Rikki needs to stop. It happened. And yes, for 'some people', it wasn't disgusting or the worst thing that could ever happen to the show.

Lindsay and Rikki fighting over Danny a la two idiot women biting and scratching over some loser guy on Jerry Springer--now that would be a definite jump the shark moment.

Getting back to spoiler discussion: Orison said in the spoilers-only thread that it seems like the finale might be 'To be continued'. So, I wonder what that means for the episode itself. Maybe the double cliffhanger is 1) whodunnit (like who really killed someone, isn't the hostage thing in the bank about proving someone didn't kill someone? *can't remember*) and 2) maybe there's a gunshot or something like that, something to imply that a person might be in danger.

Honestly, if one of the cliffhangers involves Danny and Lindsay's twu wub, I'll be disappointed.

 

[Dawni]

For some reason I'd be happy if it was a to be continued... not sure why but I just think the way its been labeled at 4.5 its either got to go out with bang which is quite common or they have to shock us and really make us think.

The taxi driver thing does sound an interesting storyline specially as its continued over a few episodes means its going to definately be meaty and we get an idea to whats happening... and the idea of a Mac finale would be a nice break from the DL/DR drama NY finales always have a bang.

 

[Faylinn]

I'd hate to have to wait for the conclusion to the storyline, but since 1) we'd get spoilers pretty quickly and 2) season 5 will start a bit earlier, I could deal with it.

I'm guessing they might try to shock us. Hmm...

The taxi driver storyline sounds interesting, but I'm kind of confused that they'd have that leading up to the finale but not included in the finale itself--then again, I guess they did the same thing last season with the Clay Dobson stuff, having it leading up to the finale but the finale itself being about something totally different...Maybe it's their way of enticing casual viewers to tune in to the finale and hopefully stick around since they won't have to know what's going on in previous episodes to get the plot...

 

[Elsie]

The latest spoilers definitely support what Peter Lenkov said in his recent CSI Files interview:

CSI Files: Is it going to be a cliffhanger?

Lenkov: That's what it's looking like.

Very interesting... I love a good cliffhanger. I hope it's case related and not romance related.

 

[Gaelen]

Very interesting... I love a good cliffhanger. I hope it's case related and not romance related.

Like Fay, I'm going to be disappointed if one of the cliffhangers is going to be about DL. I do hope it's case related though Case-related cliffhangers are always fun (have we had any so far?)

I'd hate to have to wait for the conclusion to the storyline, but since 1) we'd get spoilers pretty quickly and 2) season 5 will start a bit earlier, I could deal with it.

OOoooh, Season 5's starting earlier? Do we have any kind of approximate date? And I can't wait for new spoilers to appear (wait, what happened to me going SF next season? )

Maybe it's their way of enticing casual viewers to tune in to the finale and hopefully stick around since they won't have to know what's going on in previous episodes to get the plot...

You must admit it's a pretty smart move though...

Does anybody know if the finale has anything to do with Reed? Or is he only in 419-420? All these arcs aren't very nice on my confuzzled (and tired) brain.