"Coup de Grace" Discussion *SPOILERS*

I'm not sure whether anyone feels it..
i think there's a deeper meaning in this episode..
refer to the last 3 mins of the show..

i feel that its questioning the white house's stand in the iraq war thing..
the cop as the white house.. the world as the police.. the gang as the terrorist.. and the little boy.......

i'm not sure whether i'm the only one feeling this.. anyone else feels it too?

 

Yes, Catherine is Greg's supervisor and he should respect that. I mean there is a dead body and that always seemed to be 'the case' you wanted, a dead body! It doesn't matter who it is, every person deserves someone to come out there and find out why they were murdered.

If Catherine wants him to do that case, then he should do it. Now having said that, if Greg is feeling under-appreciated, disrespected, or whatever, then he needs to sit down with Catherine, in her office, and discuss it like a professional. Having a temper tantrum while at a scene and rolling your eyes, at your boss, is NOT the way to do it. If he wants to be treated with respect then he needs to act like an adult.

I don't like a lot of things that my bosses do, who does, however, I would NEVER be so stupid as to roll my eyes at them. That's a great way to find yourself in the unemployment line.

Greg isn't happy? Fine, then go about it like an adult, not a child, and with professionalism. That will get you farther. If he wants respect than he has to show it too and he did not show Catherine the respect she deserves when he threw his temper tantrum. He didn't like the case Catherine sent him on, buck it up, do it, and then later talk to her about it. That was how it should have been handled.

Now, this TV and I know they were just trying to show how the team isn't cohesive, but when he acted that, again, in this episode. I would tell Greg to 'grow-up and handle it like a man'.

Not dissing Greg here, but because I don't blame him for feeling that way. I watch him and still see the Lab Greg (I miss that Greg). He's not happy, then the writers need to write a scene where he sits down with Catherine and tells her how he feels. Oh let's face it, it's all the writer's fault. :lol:

Guess what I'm trying to say is that you're both right.

 

Knowing Grissom yeah he would have noticed probably pretty early on, makes me realize how much I miss Grissom even more

Also I didn't notice any eye rolling either like you said and it did look like he was trying to stay calm more then anything else. I was really glad that Sarah volunteered to take the case though, it seemed to me like she knew Greg didn't want to take the case.

 

That's being too harsh on Greg. He didn't have a 'tantrum' or handle it like a child. He complained. We all do it, there's only so many ways you can go about it. It think some of us are being a little too judgmental on the ONE time Greg decides to stick up for himself, no?

Let's not forget...The guy's been through a LOT on his field time and it's a real pity he should have to deal with being treated like the low man on the totem pole despite all his endeavors. And don't forget, later in that episode he DID cool down while processing the motel. Don't you think we're all putting too many of our chips into this one scene? Greg has proven himself to be a mature adult and a professional in COUNTLESS ways. We shouldn't suddenly think less of him because of 1 minute of him speaking his mind.

Besides, he shouldn't have to say anything, or demand respect. Catherine should be conscious enough to realize that her team members feel certain ways. It's part of being a good leader. Not trying to throw all the hot water on Cath, here, but it's partially her responsibility, too.

And quite frankly, not much of me believes that even if Greg did have a talk with someone it would make any difference. He sadly seems to be the guy that a lot of misc. work is thrown on. And that feels like crap, especially if you've been through a lot on the job.

 

I agree!

Well, if having a normal-looking man is killing the demos, then the U.S. needs a serious attitude adjustment about physical appearance, and we need more Rays, not fewer. Hollywood's constant trotting out of the Barbie/Ken clones who can't act their way out of a paper bag (But hey, they look good on TV!) has created a mindset where people don't seem to know what "normal" looks like anymore.

By the way, ever since "Grey's" became the cross-town rival, "CSI" has always trailed them in the 18-49 demographic. I'm not surprised it's trailing "The Office" too, especially considering the fact that Jim and Pam's wedding last week was such a big event, and viewers (like myself) were tuning in again this week to see how they followed up.

 

well, the term "attractiveness" does not exactly have to mean physical appearance. i think Ray as a the character is not attractive when it comes to both his personality and looks. i wouldn't be as adamant about it as 456 but that one blunt sentence is basically summing up what most people on the boards are saying.

 

I think we're being a little too harsh on Catherine here. She can only be what the writers write her to be. Catherine was always considerate and the 'Mama bear' of the team. It's not her fault the producers suddenly want to make her a bad supervisor. Hell, she did most of Grissom's job for 10 years and did it well. I don't know where the writers are going with this but I think turning on Catherine is a little premature.

As a CSI, you do what you're supervisor asks you to do, without complaint. You may not like the tasks you've been given, but you do it because it's your job. Greg used to feel as if he wasn't doing enough and would've killed to work a case solo. Nick had been a CSI for years before he got to work a case solo and complained to Grissom.

I think this whole storyline is out of place and a way to throw Catherine under the bus. Just another way to stir up trouble, I guess. I've never been so frustrated with writers of a TV show. lol. And yet I can't let it go because I love the show. Really love it. It's been a part of my life for ten years. No matter how bad or disappointing it gets, I'll still watch.

I don't want to see Catherine portrayed as the oblivious leader and I don't want to see Greg sulky. Are they trying to go out of their way to make the team fractured? Ray controls everything while everyone else is just there, now Greg has tension with Catherine. What next?

I love Catherine and I love Greg. I don't want them shifting their personalities after all this time.

 

Another thing I loved in this episode, is the bonding between Dr. Ray and new returnee Sara. When he was espousing his ideas and they were all sitting around the table, how enamored & in full agreement she was with him. They have similar personailties, calm, cool, collected & intelligent, and yet so focused when working on the cases. Yet, they can get fiesty when backed into a corner. I would like to see them together working on a case, as they are seeminly in tune with on another. I see the team are are bonded with him. Doc and he have become friends and Nick is honored to be working with him, always a smile when he's present, as the rest of them as well. He's a keeper as far as I'm concerned, and think he's great:bolian: