Character Development/Screentime Discussion

[Desertwind]

Thank's Smokey, and on character development, I sure hope the Beebs picks up his "acting skills" he's 16 and talks like he's 8 They all raved about him but I don't see it yet, so hopefully will be pleasantly surprised

 

[DragonFriend95]

Thank's Smokey, and on character development, I sure hope the Beebs picks up his "acting skills" he's 16 and talks like he's 8 They all raved about him but I don't see it yet, so hopefully will be pleasantly surprised

Well, there was hype about LF joining the CSI team, but...to put it nicely his character turned out to be quite polarising, so I'm keeping my expectations very low about Bieber.

On an equally pessimistic note it's really getting ridiculous how much they're promoting Ray and Bieber yet so far Greg's got two photos and a second in a video. Any hopes I had about tptb letting Greg get more development and screentime this season are rapidly dissipitating.

 

[Desertwind]

Although I don't know the fabulous writers with Carol Mendelsohn , and Anthony Zuiker at the helm, I agree with ther assessment of hiring Laurence Fishburne as Dr. Raymond Langston, Carol said "He was at the top of our dream list" [he's at the top of my dream list] and "He's a powerful & intense actor, with an incredible range" indeed, and Anthony Zuiker "He's fantastic" yes he is. They sure knew a good thing when they saw him:bolian: I bet Carol watched alot of his films, and saw the great potential when he was choosen for this role. [one of the best in his extensive career] I hope to see some of the mystery of his background in S/11. What happened to his dad, and his wife, where has she been? He's so perfect and astonishing in this role, so thank's writers and good job LF~

 

[Desertwind]

Does anyone get the distinct impression that maybe Sara is done with Grissom? When she was sitting alone by the lockers in "Shock Waves" she said she "was tired", and I thought she'd say something to Catherine about him, but throughout the whole episode she never mentioned himIt's possible that she came back to Vegas because she left him. I just wonder why they never have her mention him at all. I'm probably wrong, but it's too weird and to strange. This case seemed to really affect her too so if they're still a "couple" then when is she going back to Paris or mention how much she misses him?, or "this is what he'd do" pertaining to this twisted case

 

[Washington Pride]

Does anyone get the distinct impression that maybe Sara is done with Grissom? When she was sitting alone by the lockers in "Shock Waves" she said she "was tired", and I thought she'd say something to Catherine about him, but throughout the whole episode she never mentioned himIt's possible that she came back to Vegas because she left him. I just wonder why they never have her mention him at all. I'm probably wrong, but it's too weird and to strange. This case seemed to really affect her too so if they're still a "couple" then when is she going back to Paris or mention how much she misses him?, or "this is what he'd do" pertaining to this twisted case

Some people say she might be pregnant. I am not sure if it is true. She might really miss Grissom. I was wondering about that to.

 

[Frosch]

Does anyone get the distinct impression that maybe Sara is done with Grissom? When she was sitting alone by the lockers in "Shock Waves" she said she "was tired", and I thought she'd say something to Catherine about him, but throughout the whole episode she never mentioned himIt's possible that she came back to Vegas because she left him. I just wonder why they never have her mention him at all. I'm probably wrong, but it's too weird and to strange. This case seemed to really affect her too so if they're still a "couple" then when is she going back to Paris or mention how much she misses him?, or "this is what he'd do" pertaining to this twisted case

I think that may just be wishful thinking on your part?

I thought the season premiere immediately follows the season ender so unless she and Grissom developed accute marital problems literally overnight your scenario is highly unlikely. I could imagine her tiredness and reluctance to go home is because she doesn’t want to go home to an empty house and that she just misses Grissom deeply. During times of distress people often are reminded how fleeting time is and that you can lose loved ones in a matter of seconds. It’s quite reasonable that she is realizing that there are 6000 miles between her and her husband and that if something happened to him she couldn’t just hop in the car and rush to his side. That would weight heavily on anybody’s mind. I’m not a big Sara fan (but I loved Grissom and Sara as a couple, go figure) but I’v always felt her to be extremely loyal and totally devoted to Grissom. I do not see her as being so shallow and fickle to just ‘be done’ with her marriage after one year. Her history, as well as Grissom's, indicates to me that she would fight for her marriage

Plus, hasn’t CM always been a big pro Grissom/Sara proponent? I do not see her messing with this particular couple.

 

[DragonFriend95]

Can someone tell me the dialogue in this scene, since I haven't seen it? Cause so far all I know is that she said she was tired...which I thought meant that she was tired. Working a long case, punching someone and having your friends in danger does that to you. I know, it might be crazy to think that she might just be tired instead of some deeper meaning but...

And I'm still displeased as to how tptb are treating Greg. I mean he got a few lines and even some action in the end, but compared to Ray who's solving the case from his bed rolleyes he got a lot less to do that was imperitive to the case.

 

[Dizzney]

Can someone tell me the dialogue in this scene, since I haven't seen it? Cause so far all I know is that she said she was tired...which I thought meant that she was tired. Working a long case, punching someone and having your friends in danger does that to you. I know, it might be crazy to think that she might just be tired instead of some deeper meaning but...

And I'm still displeased as to how tptb are treating Greg. I mean he got a few lines and even some action in the end, but compared to Ray who's solving the case from his bed rolleyes he got a lot less to do that was imperitive to the case.

I'm with you, I'm thinking Sara was just plainly tired.

I'm also not happy about how they treat Greg. I guess they just don't realize how many people like him and are unhappy about his lack of involvement in cases. He's still treated like he is a CSI Level 1 and not Level 3, above the the all powerful Level 2, Ray.

 

[hiphugger17]

I think that what tptb tried to go a different route with Ray bringing him in as a newbie as opposed to the already boss and experienced CSI since that would've been a more common storyline and they wanted to try something different. The ironic thing is that having Ray as an experienced CSI would've made way more sense (even if it's the common thing to do with a new lead) because right now they are giving him all this crammed knowledge and using him so much because he is the lead and they have to give him the time and stories a lead gets. Their little experiment with a lead who is a newbie CSI coming to a well established and experienced group resulted in quite the mismatch to the expense of credible storytelling and screentime for others. They definitely should have gone with the new lead who comes from whatever crime lab and will be now with the Vegas lab. Or even better, move Cath to be boss (like she is now) and have Ray as the lead take the place Cath had with Grissom as his right hand. I love Cath as the boss . In my opinion it would've worked better and the others CSI wouldn't look like they are following the instructions of a CSI level 1 (or is he already level 2????).

 

[Desertwind]

Laurence Fishbure as Dr. Langston is hardly new He came on in S/9, and now were in S/11, and he was not mentally disabled,extremely brilliant & he had his own stellar background in a hospital and did profile serial killers, and wrote a book, that's why Grissom offered him the position. He's got his own way of dealing with a case as they all do, they admire him and visa versa. I will be glad to see his wife come on in S/11 and see what that's all about........................................................................................... On Sara and Grissom. I realize she told Catherine she "was tired" but she also seemed a bit sad and preoccupied, and it to me looked like she wanted to tell Cath something, but Cath had a lot on her plate with these horrible explosions, so it wasn't the right time. I just think it's so far-fetched that she's here, in a city she detested, and still working on traumatic cases,that still disturb her, when her hubby is over in Paris, come on One season maybe but now she's in the opening credits [Jorja] that is, and she wouldn't go home to an empty condo, there's Hank, or get on a plane and go back will ya'? I just doesn't add up so maybe she has come back to Vegas permantently

 

[Dizzney]

Laurence Fishbure as Dr. Langston is hardly new He came on in S/9, and now were in S/11, and he was not mentally disabled,extremely brilliant & he had his own stellar background in a hospital and did profile serial killers, and wrote a book, that's why Grissom offered him the position. He's got his own way of dealing with a case as they all do, they admire him and visa versa

Sure, but still he is only a Level 2 CSI and has been on the team way less years than with them than any of the others. He should not be running the cases, as he seems to do almost every week. Catherine, Nick, Greg, and Sara are all more seasoned as CSI's than he is.

 

[KaiLUxO]

I 100% agree that Sara and Grissom are too loyal and devoted to each other to just call it quits. They've worked extremely hard to get where they are. Think positively lol.

It hasn't been said, but what if Griss is back in Vegas? That would explain Jorja back in the credits and Sara still here. I have no idea how long grants or whatever take, but it's been a year. He could've been back for the past six months and we have no clue.

 

[Desertwind]

Laurence Fishbure as Dr. Langston is hardly new He came on in S/9, and now were in S/11, and he was not mentally disabled,extremely brilliant & he had his own stellar background in a hospital and did profile serial killers, and wrote a book, that's why Grissom offered him the position. He's got his own way of dealing with a case as they all do, they admire him and visa versa

Sure, but still he is only a Level 2 CSI and has been on the team way less years than with them than any of the others. He should not be running the cases, as he seems to do almost every week. Catherine, Nick, Greg, and Sara are all more seasoned as CSI's than he is.

I never saw it that way at all, as "running the cases" it seems their all working on the cases equally, as in last week's episode and he's got his own specific background in crime. They all give their expert opinions and delve into the whole scenerio and try together to solve the case at hand. I never thought he took over but listened to every one of their theories, views ideas and opinions as they did his. He I guess could be always in the back ground and grunt and go 'UH, I don't know anything, you guys handle it your way". As I see it, their all equal and he never pulls rank or is pushy or aggressive nor bossy, just the opposite. They all admire him and visa versa, and that's not my opinion but what the writers have showed the fans. He is after all a quick study and once again was hired by CBS as Grissom's replacement the new CSI lead, and as such shares his expertise regardless of his CSI 1-2-3, position. He just wants to solve the case at hand like they all do~

 

[PraetorCorvinus]

Laurence Fishbure as Dr. Langston is hardly new He came on in S/9, and now were in S/11, and he was not mentally disabled,extremely brilliant & he had his own stellar background in a hospital and did profile serial killers, and wrote a book, that's why Grissom offered him the position. He's got his own way of dealing with a case as they all do, they admire him and visa versa

Sure, but still he is only a Level 2 CSI and has been on the team way less years than with them than any of the others. He should not be running the cases, as he seems to do almost every week. Catherine, Nick, Greg, and Sara are all more seasoned as CSI's than he is.

I never saw it that way at all, as "running the cases" it seems their all working on the cases equally, as in last week's episode and he's got his own specific background in crime. They all give their expert opinions and delve into the whole scenerio and try together to solve the case at hand. I never thought he took over but listened to every one of their theories, views ideas and opinions as they did his. He I guess could be always in the back ground and grunt and go 'UH, I don't know anything, you guys handle it your way". As I see it, their all equal and he never pulls rank or is pushy or aggressive nor bossy, just the opposite. They all admire him and visa versa, and that's not my opinion but what the writers have showed the fans. He is after all a quick study and once again was hired by CBS as Grissom's replacement the new CSI lead, and as such shares his expertise regardless of his CSI 1-2-3, position. He just wants to solve the case at hand like they all do~

You keep pushing the fact that Fishburne is the replacement lead for Peterson. That's fine. We get that. What people are having a problem with is Langston. The character is not the lead in regards to group dynamics. The actor is but not the character. You even stated in the "Shock Waves" thread that everyone was following Langston because he's the lead.

As with any job, there is a hierarchy based on seniority and rank. Catherine, as a level 3 and supervisor, is in charge. Followed by Nick and then Greg (not sure where Sara falls on this, what with her leaving and coming back). Langston is at the bottom. Yes, he is brilliant and an expert in his field, but that doesn't mean he suddenly jumps ahead of everyone else.

We're focusing only on Langston and not Fishburne. There is a difference.

 

[Dizzney]

You keep pushing the fact that Fishburne is the replacement lead for Peterson. That's fine. We get that. What people are having a problem with is Langston. The character is not the lead in regards to group dynamics. The actor is but not the character. You even stated in the "Shock Waves" thread that everyone was following Langston because he's the lead.

As with any job, there is a hierarchy based on seniority and rank. Catherine, as a level 3 and supervisor, is in charge. Followed by Nick and then Greg (not sure where Sara falls on this, what with her leaving and coming back). Langston is at the bottom. Yes, he is brilliant and an expert in his field, but that doesn't mean he suddenly jumps ahead of everyone else.

We're focusing only on Langston and not Fishburne. There is a difference.

Very well said, much better than I could explain it. :lol:

I know at my workplace, anyone who is new does not have priority or seem to lead the way, even though they may have previous work experience that gives them lots of experience. This is a new job to them still and there are others who are more experienced who deal with the harder stuff. And it is usually them coming to those of us who have been there a long while for advice.

I feel that half the time they have the others going to Ray for advice on things, making the others seem less experienced (which is not the case) and Ray, pretty much a know-it-all. That's just my opinion of him.