Carmine Giovinazzo Discussion: The Non-Locker Room Thread

Not sure about their ages MichelleK - I kind of assumed that Mac was in his late 40s, Stella early 40s and the others in their thirties or so..... there is one episode where Danny is watching a dodgy Paris Hilton style home video (for work purposes of course!) and Lindsay makes some quip about it being a tape of this 30th birthday celebrations.....so I assume he's around that age. Also the Tanglewood flashbacks were of events that took place 15 years ago and I reckon Danny was supposed to be in his mid to late teens in that ..

Anyway, the fact that they're all unattached in their thirtysomething plus years gives me some hope as I'm currently inhabiting that cheerful little bit of no-mans land myself (and I quite literally mean 'no man').
 
The Taglewood boys in the flashbak looked older than they did in the present day! Made me laugh!
Yeah that sounds about right about the ages I guess!!
I loved Danny, Hawkes and Adam watching that video. Walruses if I remember correctly.
Being in the UK is episode 2 of season 3 on Saturday night!! Any good Danny moments to watch out for??
 
"Not What it Looks Like" is a good episode, Michelle. ;) I think Danny has a few good moments (a comment about diamonds, the adorable dog that Hawkes and Stella tease him about, etc :p).

Good points about Mac, guys. :D Thinking about it, it makes a lot more sense that he doesn't know much about Danny's past. He was surprised about the Tanglewood connection, he didn't know that Louie was in the gang, etc. It makes you wonder just how much anybody knows about Danny's family--maybe the NYPD had the Messers 'in their sights' but never actually got them on anything. Maybe it was all about suspicion and never being able to prove anything. That could explain Danny's behavior a bit as well--they were suspicious of the Messers but couldn't prove anything, and Danny knew there was something they could find if they were able. So now if someone is suspicious of him, he wants desperately to prove that there isn't anything he's trying to hide...

It also makes me wonder if people might have tried to tell Mac things before he hired Danny and he refused to even listen to rumors if there was no evidence to back up the claims, so he didn't hear anything bad against Danny (aside from some issues about his attitude, perhaps)...

Not sure if I'm making sense, but I'm just talking it out here. :lol:

You know, I love how we have so much to talk about with this. If the writers wanted to concentrate on the 'characters,' Danny and Mac's relationship provides enough fodder for countless episodes, not to mention the other characters...
 
Michelle - just in case you're interested, I downloaded next Saturday's episode from the Five website this afternoon - it's totally legit and costs £2.49 a download .....I'm out on Saturday night and my Sky Plus is on the blink so I didn't want to miss it!!!

Back to the subject of the Messer family background....I'm curious too about the whole system having them in their sights thing.....I think you've got something Faylinn when you were talking about them maybe having something on the Messers, but not enough to take them down completely.

I wonder if maybe Danny has a juvenile record? I know absolutely nothing about how this works in the US....actually, come to think of it I know nothing about how it works here either....but I seem to remember reading something about juvenile records being sealed once you get to 18...in other words they kind of get wiped out and you can start again. Do you think it's possible Danny was up to no good as a teenager but was still able to get into the NYPD because they don't know about his previous record? Maybe that's a bit of a long shot!!

I know this is completely off topic, but I just had to ask -have you ever noticed the big similarities between 'CSI NY Danny' and 'Without a Trace Danny'?...both Bruckheimer shows. I mean they're both street smart but awkward and sensitive; both have workplace love interests in Lindsay and Elena; they both come from rough backgrounds - mob connections and an abusive father/foster care; both have studied their way into reponsible jobs; both have brothers with criminal leanings - Louie and Rafi; both brothers have wound up in life or death situations - Louie in a coma and Rafi with a drug overdose; both have found father figures in their bosses - Mac and Jack.

I'm going to stop now because it has suddenly occured to me that I watch way too much television.....
 
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Do you think it's possible Danny was up to no good as a teenager but was still able to get into the NYPD because they don't know about his previous record?
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I'm not sure how it works either but that would sure make a very interesting storyline: the deeper, darker problem Zuiker mentioned at the beginning of the season could have something to do with this. And if not, someone should write a fic about it. ;)

I know this is completely off topic, but I just had to ask -have you ever noticed the big similarities between 'CSI NY Danny' and 'Without a Trace Danny'?...both Bruckheimer shows. I mean they're both street smart but awkward and sensitive; both have workplace love interests in Lindsay and Elena; they both come from rough backgrounds - mob connections and an abusive father/foster care; both have studied their way into reponsible jobs; both have brothers with criminal leanings - Louie and Rafi; both brothers have wound up in life or death situations - Louie in a coma and Rafi with a drug overdose; both have found father figures in their bosses - Mac and Jack.
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You know what, being a fan of both shows (and both characters ;)) I've noticed the exact same thing. Maybe we do watch too much television but hey, my fandoms make me happy so I don't care what everybody says... :D
 
I wonder if maybe Danny has a juvenile record? I know absolutely nothing about how this works in the US....actually, come to think of it I know nothing about how it works here either....but I seem to remember reading something about juvenile records being sealed once you get to 18...in other words they kind of get wiped out and you can start again. Do you think it's possible Danny was up to no good as a teenager but was still able to get into the NYPD because they don't know about his previous record? Maybe that's a bit of a long shot!!
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I think it might depend on the types of juvenile offenses. A felony is nothing to sneeze at, regardless of when it was committed. But lesser offenses probably wouldn't be a problem (and by 'probably,' I mean that I have no idea :lol:). I tried to find information but nobody had a black-and-white answer for the question...

I don't think Danny would have a serious juvenile record, he just doesn't really seem the type. Consider how he was acting in the flashback in "RSRD," when Sonny was beating that other kid up. Danny might have done some stupid stuff, especially if he was trying to fit into his brother's kind of crowd, but I can't seem him committing any serious crimes, although I wouldn't put it past him to tag along--he didn't leave in the flashback from "RSRD" until Louie shoved him and made him go...

I don't really know. It's possible that a juvenile record might have something to do with people not wanting Mac to hire Danny, but Danny was apparently already a cop at that time--in "Night Mother" in season 1, he mentioned arresting pickpockets at some point, and I don't see that being part of his job working for Mac. ;) So were people unhappy about him being a cop period, or working with the CSIs in particular?...Very curious. :lol:
 
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I wonder if maybe Danny has a juvenile record? I know absolutely nothing about how this works in the US....actually, come to think of it I know nothing about how it works here either....but I seem to remember reading something about juvenile records being sealed once you get to 18...in other words they kind of get wiped out and you can start again. Do you think it's possible Danny was up to no good as a teenager but was still able to get into the NYPD because they don't know about his previous record? Maybe that's a bit of a long shot!!
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I'm assuming you're in the UK? Over here, having any kind of record would hamper your chances. You'd be more likely to get a caution for minor offences though, which I think Danny would be more likely to do.
I can't really speak in detail for the police, but I know that for the prison service, you have to be clean, and so does your immediate family.
 
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I also wonder how you become a CSI - do you have to be a op first and then specialise in a certain field?

I could imagine Danny maybe got into some trouble as a teenager, Maybe small stuff but nonetheless. I guess he wanted his brothers approval and maybe also his fathers. I wonder if it was that night Louie kinda hit him around that Danny decided to become a cop or maybe it was something else!! I'd love to know more!
There is just so much more to explore and also we still have the deeper, darker thing from Danny's past to make an appearance. I do wonder what it could be? Bring back Louie and Sonny. It makes for great drama!
It does seem like Mac doesn't make an opinion of people until he knows the full story and I'm guessing that's why he reacted the way he did at the end of Tanglewood. I would also have loved to have heard the other end of the convesation that Hillbourne had with Mac just after he gave Danny his gun back in the office. Anyone remember that?

I might look into Five's website thingy as I usually work Saturday nights and it's going to start looking suspicious if I ask for every Saturday night off! Not that I'm not going to try!

Did someone say Danny and a dog! My lord! All as I need now is Danny and a baby and I will be a very happy lady indeed!!
 
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Usually a juvenile record is sealed, unless felonies are involved. However, sealed records have ways of becoming "unsealed," and if an individual was applying to the police academy and was the son of a known mobster, then that record's information would undoubtedly find its way to the right person (or the wrong person if it gets to IAB).

Of course, Danny grew up in a house under surveillance, so one can surmise the Feds and NYPD had profiles on all the Messer family members and associates.
 
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So if his family is under surveillance - when does that stop?? Surely Louie had left Tanglewood by the time Run Silent, Run Deep came around but would the Messer's still be being watched!!
I hope they do an episode about it because there are so any unanswered questions. I still want to know what his comments meant in On The Job when he said he knows what it's like to be in the system. What happened?? It's very thought provoking!!
 
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Danny has such a fantastic backstory. It's really a shame they've taken his development in a different direction this season. I'd LOVE to know more about his background, his family, the extent to which they were under surveillance, how Loui's doing, etc.
 
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The Tanglewood Boys are actually the offshoot of the Lucchese Mob family, though later on I think they had ties to the Gambino (John Gotti) and Genovese family. Since the show has already made up the names of mob families on at least two occasions rather than drawing on one of the big five families in NY, I can only assume that perhaps the writers want the Tanglewood Boys to seem like an entity in and of themselves. The Tanglewood Boys originally formed as sort of a recruitment tool for the mob though later on they became wildly dangerous in their own right. Two or three of their own turned on them and testified against the Tanglewood Boys. They were everything Sonny Sassone portrayed – flashy, arrogant, the sons of mobsters, and ruthless. There was/is a reporter from New York Magazine that wrote about them all the time, I remember reading some of the articles, at least one is still available online. It really is a fascinating subculture.

I was encouraged that the writers are trying to clean up some sloppy mistakes from their past by having Danny mention he was from the Bronx as opposed to Staten Island. The Bronx location fits the Tanglewood Boys whose home turf was the New Rochelle Mall and Danny’s mention of Roosevelt high school fits in nicely with the now defunct Theodore Roosevelt High School in the Bronx or possibly Roosevelt High School in Yonkers. I don’t know how school districting works in NYC or Westchester and most viewers aren’t from NY and could care less about which Roosevelt and the logistics of districting so simply placing Danny in the Bronx is enough to make the Tanglewood connection viable.

I think the writers are taking bits and pieces of what really happened with the Tanglewood boys and injecting them into Danny’s storyline or at least they were before they became bogged down with the Lindsay crap. A sad happening, because everyone can relate to that D/L crap after all everyone was a 14-year-old at some point, but not many can say they have mob connections. Some of the similar elements are: Tanglewood Boys did go to Roosevelt High School, one of then was even a baseball player until he broke his wrist, baseball bats were often the weapon of choice in their crimes, they even murdered a boy named Paul near a park who lived at home with his parents and had pictures of Mickey Mantle on his wall.

The use of the last name Messer concerns me and erodes, to a certain degree, any mob connection on his father’s side, which leaves his mother. The overt reference to mozzarella makes her the likely link to the mob. It is possible that Danny does indeed have a sealed criminal past or a criminal connection, it is also possible that he was a snitch. He could have fed information to the FBI about the ins and outs of the Tanglewood Boys. Such a nameless faceless character does exist in the history of their downfall. Who knows, I find both possibilities utterly compelling and worthy of exploration by the writers. It would give them some fresh ideas to toss around and the repercussions of involvement in crime would have deep reverberations, though, I think the notion of being a snitch would be fresher and allow for the exploration of some serious emotional depth. Now that my friends is a dark secret – being a snitch I mean. After all, there isn’t anything secretive about being the lone survivor in a massacre, I believe they do have a press core in Montana and I’d be willing to bet a massacre would be picked up by the AP (Associated Press), which means any ass that can type in the Google box can find your name, not so with an FBI snitch. Carmine more than has the range to deliver a performance filled with anguish, doubt, guilt, fear, defiance - and everything else that would and could be needed to deliver a powerhouse of an episode.
 
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That powerhouse episode would surely draw ratings in.

Good information JDonne. I would love to see more about Danny and his past.
 
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Thanks for the information JDonne!
I never thought about the fact that Danny could have been a snitch. That would be a great storyline to explore. Like you said I wish we had more of his back storylines to make us think and discuss instead of this D/L storyline. Blahh!!
I do love the fact that CSI:NY has a detective that has such a colourful and trubled past and even involved possibly in the mob. It's genius in all it's glory! I just wish TPTB knew what kinda goldmine storyline they were sitting on!! Get it sorted lovely writers!!!
 
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JDonne said:
There was/is a reporter from New York Magazine that wrote about them all the time, I remember reading some of the articles, at least one is still available online. It really is a fascinating subculture.
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And a fascinating post! Thanks JDonne. It is an utterly intriguing subject - I read a book some time ago that was written by a journalist, who went to Sicily to trace his family routes and attempt to investigate a family 'dark secret'. It was an interesting read - gave the history of the Mafia right back to the sistema .. Sicilian culture is just imbued with the whole thing.

A sad happening, because everyone can relate to that D/L crap after all everyone was a 14-year-old at some point, but not many can say they have mob connections.
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snort!! :lol: But the mob connection is infinitely more interesting and has way more scope for a much more complicated and intersting storyline - so many avenues to go down.


It would give them some fresh ideas to toss around and the repercussions of involvement in crime would have deep reverberations, though, I think the notion of being a snitch would be fresher and allow for the exploration of some serious emotional depth. Now that my friends is a dark secret – being a snitch I mean. After all, there isn’t anything secretive about being the lone survivor in a massacre, I believe they do have a press core in Montana and I’d be willing to bet a massacre would be picked up by the AP (Associated Press), which means any ass that can type in the Google box can find your name, not so with an FBI snitch. Carmine more than has the range to deliver a performance filled with anguish, doubt, guilt, fear, defiance - and everything else that would and could be needed to deliver a powerhouse of an episode.
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Here here!!! That would certainly bring some zing back into the series. It really is getting a bit ho-hum for me lately.

Bloody fantastic post JDonne, seriously.
 
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