Re: Carmine Giovinazzo Discussion: The Non-Locker Room Threa
So much good stuff to reply to in here, so forgive the long post and the lack of any order. :lol: I'm not losing interest in this season, but the last two eps have been kind of blah and I agree with many of you that Danny's character is going downhill. Whereas the last two seasons, we saw great development for him, this year it's all the romantic claptrap between him and Lindsay. Save for the episode where he helped Hawkes, he's had no development whatsoever outside the romance stuff with Lindsay. Even if I thought it was the best romance ever, I'd still be mad that there's nothing else going on with his character.
crankyjules said:
That is so true. That SUCKS big time. If this is where they are focusing story lines for Danny, God help his character. And the show.
No matter how much he busts a gut and steps up to the plate to this, chemistry takes two. No matter how deftly he is able to act it, it's not going to show terribly well because, well, the other side of the chemical equation just isn't happening. It's an impossible situation.
That's part of the problem. As good as Carmine is, when it's a romantic storyline, you're only as good as the person you're playing off of. Anna is mediocre at best, and a lot worse than that when trying to emotional scenes.
What demographic are TPTB trying to sell this show too? I'm really sorry to say this - but have a look at the average age group who are violently opposed to this. And before anyone gets their undies in a tangle ... notice I said average age group ... there will always be exceptions. The highschool-like romance angle is childish beyond belief. If people want to see that ... go watch the OC.
18-34 is the ideal target demographic. They're young, and tend to be the biggest spenders (thinking of advertising here). From what I can tell from the board, the Danny/Lindsay pairing tends to skew about 14-22 (average--I know there are some older who like it, and some younger who hate it), so at the lower end of the target range.
MrsGiovinazzo said:
Danny's romantic scenes with Lindsey are the only part of Carmine's work on the show that feels awkward and unnatural. In terms of improving those moments, the only thing I can thing of is that Carmine needs to work that method acting to it's fullest. Look at Anna and see someone completely different. Angelina Jolie, or whoever does it for him. Though I think part of the problem lies with Anna. She's just not that strong an actress, nor is she attractive enough that we'd buy Danny chasing her. Danny chasing Angell? Sure. I'd buy that. Danny chasing Lindsey? Nope. Not gonna convince me without some genuinely stellar acting. And I think it's unfortunate that the writers have chosen to ram a forced storyline down the viewers throats, when it's not a situation in which either actor shines.
Believability has been my second biggest issue with this pairing (after lack of chemistry). Did I buy Danny and Aiden? Hell yeah. Same with Danny and Angell, or Danny and Stella. I even bought Danny and Lindsay when it was clear she was the one with the crush and Danny seemed a little clueless. When she was light and funny I almost believed he'd like her back based on personality. But in the real world, guys who look like Danny don't go for Plain Janes like Lindsay. :lol: If she was awesome and sweet...maybe, but when she turned into a shrill banshee and started blowing him off, the storyline lost all credibility with me. I can see why Carmine would wonder why Danny is chasing after Lindsay when he's got the likes of Nixon Suicide, the hot dominatrix chick and Angell interested in him. Real, sexual, passionate women vs. a plain, boring, unpleasant girl from Montana? I don't get it either. :lol:
I feel badly for him there as well. In interviews he seems to really embrace those storylines regarding Danny's backstory or non-romantic relationships with his colleagues, while he seems to dodge the question a little when the romance with Lindsey comes up. It's clear he prefers Danny's other storylines and, and as a viewer, I'd rather watch something the actor is passionate about and fully committed to. He doesn't feel totally sold on the Lindsey thing, so it makes it hard for us to feel sold on it.
Exactly--I don't blame him. Danny had the best development of any character on the show, and now he's stuck in this poorly written, cliched romantic storyline. I'd be sad, too.
ThumpyG said:
Emasculate, is that the word I am looking for here in what the writers have done to Carmine's character, Danny?
They have taken a virile,rough around the edges kind of guy and taken his manhood and squashed it, making him this sniviling (spelling?) weepy guy who chases after a psycho "Why her" broken record who even a murderer thinks is a little loopy country-bumpkin. -Who doesn't even have the balls to tell Danny goodbye in person. (wow, that was kind of harsh, huh?)
His manhood needs to be returned in the original condition it was taken. :lol:
Yes, please! He looks like a wimp for putting up with the shit Lindsay dishes out. He was tougher when he was crying on Mac's shoulder about his brother than he was when he called out to Lindsay "If there's anything you need..." as she was walking away and oh yeah, not looking back. I winced during that scene.
Springmoon said:
Here's the problem: we've been seeing that there has been a problem with Danny's character development all season long and there have been only mere sparks of the former depth that the character was given. Much like their uneven development of Danny, the writers are severely underestimating the intelligence of the average fan.
Danny didn't become the show's most popular character because he's hot. Sorry, based on the purely physical, Flack and Hawkes are much more classically attractive. Danny became the most popular character because he's flawed, intense, passionate and impulsive. The audience could relate to him, and sympathize with him. He was always interesting to watch. Not any more. If the romance with Lindsay were better written, it could be interesting. But it's not--we've seen every cliche in the book this season. It's a disservice to the character and the show to subject the audience to this nonsense.
seeker said:
Take for instance this D/L plot--I must admit that I am a D/L fan--I'm a schmuck for romance, but crap--I was expecting ANGST not silly juvenile drama worthy of an ABC afternoon special...and believe me, with the way the writers are handling it--I'm NOT going to be a fan of this pair anymore...I was expecting a "kick-you-in-the-balls-hate-'em-but-gotta-love-'em" type of romance--what they're doing is taking the "city guy falling hard for the country girl" cliche and making it worst! Take note writers--there's a reason it's called a "cliche", people don't buy it anymore...
While I'm not a fan of the pairing, I was on the fence about it midway through season two, and if things had continued along the path set out by "Stuck on You" and "Cool Hunter," I might have really become a fan of it. I bought it when she was pursuing him and he was trying to figure out what was going on. I was actually warming to her character when she seemed like she had some spunk to her. But season three has been nothing but unbelievable cliches for the two, and it's become by-the-book romance. I've seen this, time and again, on other shows when the actors actually had the chemistry to sell it, and the stories fleshed out the cliche to make it feel less like a "been there, done this" kind of thing. Opposites attract can work, but it has to be believable and there has to be chemistry.
You can tell a lot of what fires him up is the great personal storylines (Tanglewood, conflict with Mac, Louie, friendship with Flack, etc.) he's gotten for Danny.
