Grade 'Indelible'

[La_Guera]

Really looking forward to the next episodes as I'm waiting to see how Mac returns in the crime lab.

With a brass band and fireworks shooting out of his ass, like as not.

Was that really necessary? I get you don't like his character for whatever reason, but there's no need to go out of your way to be vitriolic about him and Gary. I can't stand Horatio or David Caruso, so I stay away from talking about them because I know there are a lot of people who (for whatever reason unbeknownst to me) do like him. Each to their own. I don't go pointlessly insulting Horatio/Caruso just because I can't stand either. I don't like either Lindsey or Hawkes on NY either. But when I bring up that I don't, it's in context with an explained reason and not just straight-up bashing their characters or the actors.

Sorry, I'm just tired of people who seem to take every opportunity to slam characters and the people who play them just because they don't like them. Jo/Sela... Mac/Gary... and even though I don't like them myself, Lindsey/Anna and Sheldon/Hill. Like I said, there's a way to discuss the cons and reasons for dislike without simply slamming them without explanation at every opportunity given. That sort of thing drives me nuts, even if I might agree with the 'dislike'.

Oh, suck it up. Mac's self-aggrandizement is well-documented, and the producers play it up at every opportunity. Nowhere in there did I insult Gary.

 

[Top41]

Alright, guys, we need to dial it back here. It's important to remember that everyone is entitled to his/her opinion of the show, the characters, and yes, even the actors--positive or negative. While we don't allow slams against the actors personally, it's ok to criticize their work and certainly the characters.

Slamming other posters isn't okay, though, nor is telling them to suck it up. Let's keep it friendly here, okay? Thanks.

 

[MacAttack]

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[Axatullux]

I will say that although my interst in CSI:NY has been dramatically reduced, I nevertheless was glad to at least make a rare appearance in front of the TV and watch "Indelible".

Sinise really made it so that it paid tribute to all of those involved in 9/11, both those who died and those who survived that awful day and the heroism that arose out of such a tragic event. I really thought it was marvelously done.

The case itself though was unmemorable and did little for me.

The lack of mention of Stella at all in this episode really was immensely disappointing, unless Stella wasn't working at the lab yet on that day or was not present in New York. Yet all the years of friendship and/or even close bond they had was completely unmentioned, like as of Stella never was on the show. That to me was very disappointing.

I can understand Aiden not being mentioned yet.

I TOTALLY however relate very well to Adam. I was actually asleep in Oklahoma City when it happened and by the time I woke up, the event had already occurred although I didn't know until hours later.

So in all, I thought Adam's story of what happened struck close to home for me.

Thank you Gary and crew for a powerful episode and a reminder of that none of what we enjoy today should be taken for granted.

 

[Mac&Adam Fan]

I will say that although my interst in CSI:NY has been dramatically reduced, I nevertheless was glad to at least make a rare appearance in front of the TV and watch "Indelible".

Sinise really made it so that it paid tribute to all of those involved in 9/11, both those who died and those who survived that awful day and the heroism that arose out of such a tragic event. I really thought it was marvelously done.

The case itself though was unmemorable and did little for me.

The lack of mention of Stella at all in this episode really was immensely disappointing, unless Stella wasn't working at the lab yet on that day or was not present in New York. Yet all the years of friendship and/or even close bond they had was completely unmentioned, like as of Stella never was on the show. That to me was very disappointing.

I can understand Aiden not being mentioned yet.

I TOTALLY however relate very well to Adam. I was actually asleep in Oklahoma City when it happened and by the time I woke up, the event had already occurred although I didn't know until hours later.

So in all, I thought Adam's story of what happened struck close to home for me.

Thank you Gary and crew for a powerful episode and a reminder of that none of what we enjoy today should be taken for granted.

I did like the episode though but I think maybe we were supposed to see it from Mac's eyes. He just assumes Claire was killed by debris or went in the towers to help.

Part about Stella, I'm glad she wasn't mentioned because there was just no point. Maybe Stella was in Queens or the Bronx that day and didn't know Mac yet?

 

[Mac&Adam Fan]

Sorry for double post but I watched the episode again on the DVR that I recorded from Friday night.

Just thought of something. why is Mac going to work on a Sunday? I would have thought he'd be off.

 

[MacsLady]

Sorry for double post but I watched the episode again on the DVR that I recorded from Friday night.

Just thought of something. why is Mac going to work on a Sunday? I would have thought he'd be off.

I imagine with it being the anniversary, and especially the tenth one, he'd want to work before the ceremony, not be at home in his empty apartment when that particular day, more than ever, he'd be thinking about Claire and when 9/11 would be all over the tv news and papers. Work has always been a way Mac's tried to escape and distract himself from his loss. I mean, working at Piper must have been a reminder also, but at least it would allow him to feel he was *doing* something.

Also, this is Mac. He doesn't really *do* days off under the best of circumstances.

 

[Jade_Nolan]

I imagine with it being the anniversary, and especially the tenth one, he'd want to work before the ceremony, not be at home in his empty apartment when that particular day, more than ever, he'd be thinking about Claire and when 9/11 would be all over the tv news and papers. Work has always been a way Mac's tried to escape and distract himself from his loss. I mean, working at Piper must have been a reminder also, but at least it would allow him to feel he was *doing* something.

It was bad enough for him simply getting ready for work, let alone spending the day by himself in his apartment or trying to find some random distraction in the city. He looked practically gutted standing there at the sink that morning. He couldn't stay there, and work has been what he's always thrown himself into in those moments.

Also, this is Mac. He doesn't really *do* days off under the best of circumstances.

This is very true :lol: Poor man, he doesn't have much of a point for days off anymore... Haha, I have a feeling he did use vacation time when Claire was still around

 

[MacsLady]

Also, this is Mac. He doesn't really *do* days off under the best of circumstances.

This is very true :lol: Poor man, he doesn't have much of a point for days off anymore... Haha, I have a feeling he did use vacation time when Claire was still around

I think so too. ;-)

 

[Mac&Adam Fan]

Sorry for double post but I watched the episode again on the DVR that I recorded from Friday night.

Just thought of something. why is Mac going to work on a Sunday? I would have thought he'd be off.

I imagine with it being the anniversary, and especially the tenth one, he'd want to work before the ceremony, not be at home in his empty apartment when that particular day, more than ever, he'd be thinking about Claire and when 9/11 would be all over the tv news and papers. Work has always been a way Mac's tried to escape and distract himself from his loss. I mean, working at Piper must have been a reminder also, but at least it would allow him to feel he was *doing* something.

Also, this is Mac. He doesn't really *do* days off under the best of circumstances.

I imagine with it being the anniversary, and especially the tenth one, he'd want to work before the ceremony, not be at home in his empty apartment when that particular day, more than ever, he'd be thinking about Claire and when 9/11 would be all over the tv news and papers. Work has always been a way Mac's tried to escape and distract himself from his loss. I mean, working at Piper must have been a reminder also, but at least it would allow him to feel he was *doing* something.

It was bad enough for him simply getting ready for work, let alone spending the day by himself in his apartment or trying to find some random distraction in the city. He looked practically gutted standing there at the sink that morning. He couldn't stay there, and work has been what he's always thrown himself into in those moments.

Also, this is Mac. He doesn't really *do* days off under the best of circumstances.

This is very true :lol: Poor man, he doesn't have much of a point for days off anymore... Haha, I have a feeling he did use vacation time when Claire was still around

I didn't even think of it that way. Makes sense.

EDIT: Yeah, he probably did have days off when she was around.

 

[MacsLady]

Definitely an A+ from me, though I would have liked it even more had it been a double, so we could see more, perhaps what the team remember from the days immediately after 9/11.

But for a one-hour episode, I think they did a wonderful job.

-The Mac/Claire scene at the beginning was just wonderful. It so clearly showed how *happy* and at ease and content Mac was when Claire was alive. Loved the closeness between them, and those little moments like when she cleans the shaving foam off his ear. That whole scene was far more intimate than any scene showing them in bed would have been. It was far more intimate than the beginning of 'People with Money' with Mac and Peyton. It showed a happily married couple who had clearly been married for some years and who were very much in love and at ease in each other's company.
I loved seeing how playful and lighthearted Claire was, and how that brought out a lighter side to Mac. God, the way he smiled and looked at her....excuse me while I have an Intensely Jealous Moment!!!! His surprising her with the opera tickets was sweet and funny.

- Good to see Danny in uniform and away from the lab. I've always thought he's been better at the 'street' side of things than the 'lab' side of things. But I didn't like the 'tache.

-Loved Mac's flashback on the bus, and Claire sticking her tongue out at him and the ominous music as the bus pulls away, the last time he'll ever see her....

-Mac's flashback to when *it* happened was so heartbreaking. The tremor in his voice when he first answers the phone and says 'Claire' that continues as he begs her to get away. He's terrified for her, and on the brink of losing it, and then the second plane strikes, and, God, when he screams her name.....

-Loved Mac and Joe Vincent's interractions. How Mac persuades Joe to come to the ceremony while ultimately leaving the final decision to him. Because Mac *knows* how difficult it is. I like how their loss bonds them. I like that Mac has given so much time to work on honouring the first responders along with Joe. It's clearly something close to both Mac and Gary's hearts.

-Adam's impression of Jo and the would-be new boss was hilarious, the overdone Southern accent he did for Jo, and the nerdy, nasal voice he did for the guy. LOL also at 'Interim Boss'. I like how Jo's determined Mac will be back.

-Mac's flashback to getting near the towers just as the South Tower (I assume) falls, and he saves that woman.... The look of fear and confusion on his face....

-Loved Jo's flashback, her fear for her kids and confusion over what was happening combined with her take-charge attitude was bang on, and it was good to have a mention of and tribute to the plane crash and loss of life at the Pentagon.

-Loved Jo and Mac's meeting, and the obvious friendship and closeness between them. I like how despite being convinced Mac would be coming back, Jo didn't push him on it or kick off about it. God, I like her *so* much better than Stella.

-Flack's flashback was brilliant, very grim, but also shows the start of the Flack/Danny friendship and explains their closeness/

-Sid's flashback which includes Mac bringing in the dead fireman was brilliant but so dark and heartbreaking. Mac again looking so utterly lost....It was nice that Sid got a flashback all of his own, too.

-Mac's speech at the end was really moving. He was so sincere and obviously struggling with his own grief all at once. Really nice to see the team be there for him.

-The end scene of the ep was perfect. It was absolutely appropriate that Mac should have that last moment to himself as he let go of the opera tickets and stood alone on the beach. I'm glad it ended with such an important and intense and private moment for Mac, and not just with him hugging the others at the end of the ceremony at the Wall of Remembrance. Because while this ep works very well as a 9/11 ep, and a tribute to the first responders, it's really about (IMO) the team's personal memories of that day, and, especially, about Mac's memories of that day, given that it was an event that so clearly defined who he is now. So that it should start with him giving Claire those tickets, and them having a private moment, and then end with Mac letting go of those same tickets and having a private moment, just worked perfectly.

-The 'case' was okay, but really not the focus of the episode, and I didn't pay it much attention.

- I know some people were bothered that Aiden and Stella weren't mentioned. Well, personally I can't stand Stella, so wasn't at all bothered she wasn't even mentioned. A mention of Aidan, or Reed, would have been nice, and had the episode been longer would have worked well had they been included, but the flashbacks of the *current* team worked really well.

So yes, A+. My only quibbles were it could have been longer, and that Danny looks ridiculous with facial hair.

 

[Mac&Adam Fan]

-Loved Jo and Mac's meeting, and the obvious friendship and closeness between them. I like how despite being convinced Mac would be coming back, Jo didn't push him on it or kick off about it. God, I like her *so* much better than Stella.

- I know some people were bothered that Aiden and Stella weren't mentioned. Well, personally I can't stand Stella, so wasn't at all bothered she wasn't even mentioned. A mention of Aidan, or Reed, would have been nice, and had the episode been longer would have worked well had they been included, but the flashbacks of the *current* team worked really well.

I have to admit, I really do like Jo better than Stella. Hated Jo in the first episode she was in but glad she settled down. I did like that Jo didn't press Mac or anything but I think she just somehow knew.

I think it was better not to mention Stella or Aiden.

Sometimes I do miss Danny on the street though, I think they could have written it better but it might have been too hard.