Episode 8x20 - "Backfire" - ***CONTAINS SPOILERS***

[delkolover]

Does anyone know the name of the song that was playing while Calleigh was being shocked with the paddles? It has been bothering the hell out of me! lol

It's Kate Bush,"This Woman's Work"
Almost,but not quite as good as Maxwell's version.

Does anyone know the name of the song that was playing while Calleigh was being shocked with the paddles? It has been bothering the hell out of me! lol

I was actually surprised by the ep.....it exceeded the expectations I had for it and Emily did a good job. I love the scene in the Hummer when she is freaking out over seeing Patrick....I thought she did a really good job with that scene.

The song is "This Woman's Work" by Maxwell or Katie Bush. I loved this song, the lyrics are so apt for the whole scene. It just makes me teary.
The end song is "Charlie Darwin" by Oh my God.
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Thank you to both of you! It was driving me nuts :lol:

 

[CSIMandy]

I just thought of something in this epi, Ryan was driving instead of Calleigh. I remember in another episode Ryan told Calleigh he'd be the one driving next time because he thought she was driving like a crazy person LOL! Looks like the writers remembered that for this epi.

Thanks to those who gave the name of the songs that played, I was wondering about that too

 

[Wasabi Power]

I find it actually kinda funny how Ryan is always caught in burning buildings too yet he's always just fine. IRON LUNGS.

 

[GregNickRyanFan]

I just thought of something in this epi, Ryan was driving instead of Calleigh. I remember in another episode Ryan told Calleigh he'd be the one driving next time because he thought she was driving like a crazy person LOL! Looks like the writers remembered that for this epi.

And that scene where he told her that was in "Smoke Gets In Your CSIs" too. :lol: I forgot all about that.

 

[Gooniegirl3333]

Personally I did not care for the episode. Yes, Calleigh's condition once more coming up was great job for them. But her being able to leave the hospital the same day she goes into cardiac arrest...was a terribly written ending. They should have just ended it with her eating jello or some other type of hospital gourmet and laughing with Eric. That most likely would be a bit more accurate and suitable.

Overall I felt this episode was...weird. I feel that lately the writers attempt to only bring in more ratings by putting in the dramatic episodes, which is needed for this show.

This is coming off my TV and Castle is staying on.

IMO, I think Calleigh lied to Eric and actually snuck out. I could see her doing that,

 

[ladyd10]

Personally I did not care for the episode. Yes, Calleigh's condition once more coming up was great job for them. But her being able to leave the hospital the same day she goes into cardiac arrest...was a terribly written ending. They should have just ended it with her eating jello or some other type of hospital gourmet and laughing with Eric. That most likely would be a bit more accurate and suitable.

IMO, I think Calleigh lied to Eric and actually snuck out. I could see her doing that,

I think she signed herself out because she's still stubborn "I'm fine" Calleigh and it sounded like Eric was taking her back to the hospital. If you're determined enough, you can sign yourself out even though it's against doctors' advice. You can just as easily readmit yourself if things go wrong....and get a solid earful from the doctors, too.

 

[Emmie]

I actually like this episode. There's one thing I have to say though... Please don't copy the actions of Eric and touch someone that is going through defibrillation. I'm still surprised that Eric is not dead. I thought the scene in the car where Calleigh was telling herself to pull it together was great. It reminded me of the old Calleigh. I like seeing Calleigh in casual clothing better, suits doesn't work for her that much. I think the writers did a pretty good job on the interaction of the team this week. I just hope that they could keep it up.

I found myself some DuCaine moments. -Self joy-

 

[Blinded By Smoke]

I find it actually kinda funny how Ryan is always caught in burning buildings too yet he's always just fine. IRON LUNGS.

That's his new name! It amazes me. LOL! But I'll take him in a fire any day. He looked awful hot walking out--- Amazing! :drool: If there is a burning building, we can rest assured, RYAN WILL BE IN IT! :lol:

But yeah... I have to just toss it out there that... I didn't like 'Toe Tags'. I actually thought it was kind of cheesy and off the wall--- but this one was classy and well written. JMO though, but that could be simply because I like Miami better than Vegas. Nothing against Vegas, they've had their share of amazing cases, but I think Miami's attempt away from forensics (ect) went much better. It just... fit!!! Everything about it WORKED!

 

[BauerAlmeida]

I have been a fan of CSI Miami from the first episode. Not that that matters to the creators. They never care what fans think. For me, CSI Miami jumped the shark last night. It's done, it's over, it's no good anymore. It's been slipping for a couple years, but last night it completely jumped the shark.

So Calleigh sees dead people, eh? Now ghosts are real. This show was about scientists, people of logic and reason. There are plenty of shows like Medium and Ghost Whisperer for those who like fantasy. The CSI franchise was created about SCIENCE, not fantasy. These writers don't care. They probably don't know what science is or that ghosts are fantasy.

And how do you know ghosts are fantasy? How do you know ghosts are not real? So just because you believes those things that makes it a fact? Does that make all those people who have experiences with paranormal liars? I'm sorry but that is a rather subjective statement, so please don't make it sound like ghost not being real it's a fact.

This isn't Calleigh's first out of body or near-death experience, I don't even get the logic why this episode would be jumping the shark when pretty much same thing was done in previous episodes. And besides, even if it was a ghost, it's not like there was no investigation, it's not like everyone just listened to the ghost and didn't use evidence and science to back it up. Even with paranormal there are science and evidence. It's hardly that farfetched.

And let's talk about science on CSI, anyone with a decent science degree will tell you that CSI science is a boatload of crap. It's nothing like real science, it's pretend science used for entertainment. Half the technologies that are used in CSI are years beyond what today's equipments can even do. CSI may have been about science at one point, maybe in the first season, but now it's basically futuristic technology.

And what's with the Ryan character becoming more and more of a jerk? Do the writers think if they ruin every character, we'll still like the show?

I don't see how Ryan was a jerk in this episode, in fact, he was more Ryan than he was in years. He and Tom didn't even butt heads. They haven't ruined Ryan, if anything, they actually brought back the real Ryan for this episode.

To combine my two points about Ryan and logic -- in the episode, Ryan says, "If we find trace of turpentine, we'll KNOW the kid started the fire." Really? How will you KNOW this? Not evidence or logic. If the ghost agreed with you, the writers could say you got your knowledge from beyond. Science must be boring, right? Can't wait for the unicorns and wizards episode coming soon.

Real science and forensic analysis, yeah, it is darn boring alright. Real crime solving is nothing like what the CSI franchise made so popular and cool, real CSIs will tell you that.

And I'm sorry but if you're gonna pick on every word and every minute detail, then maybe you shouldn't watch the show because not everything has to be taken so literally or seriously. Just because Ryan said they'll "know" doesn't mean he believes who heartedly that they will know for sure, it's most likely used as a figure of speech, normal people do speak that way, not always so literally.

If you were depending a fictional TV show to teach you about science or be so meticulously plot out or be realistic, then you're in for a rude awakening. CSI franchise is there soley for entertainment purposes, this isn't a real life documentary or some educational video about science. It's a fictional TV drama that will no doubt veer into unrealistic worlds.

 

[Florry86]

I have been a fan of CSI Miami from the first episode. Not that that matters to the creators. They never care what fans think. For me, CSI Miami jumped the shark last night. It's done, it's over, it's no good anymore. It's been slipping for a couple years, but last night it completely jumped the shark.

So Calleigh sees dead people, eh? Now ghosts are real. This show was about scientists, people of logic and reason. There are plenty of shows like Medium and Ghost Whisperer for those who like fantasy. The CSI franchise was created about SCIENCE, not fantasy. These writers don't care. They probably don't know what science is or that ghosts are fantasy.

And how do you know ghosts are fantasy? How do you know ghosts are not real? So just because you believes those things that makes it a fact? Does that make all those people who have experiences with paranormal liars? I'm sorry but that is a rather subjective statement, so please don't make it sound like ghost not being real it's a fact.

I am sorry, but how do you know that ghosts are real? It's like UFO and stuff like that. I am sorry, but I don't agree with your statement at all. It certainly is a subjective area but in no way you can tell me that ghosts are real from a scientific POV because that would be an heresy!!! Tell a real scientist/researcher that ghots are real and he/she will laugh at you for the rest of his/her life.

Again, I am too rational to accept lots of stuff which is going on this show, but I'm quite sure 99% of the scientists all over the world would criticize your statement. Ghosts are not real....ghosts are PARANORMAL entities who cannot be seen by most of the people all over the world. They're part of the whole paranormal activity scientists are not able to explain...yet.

There have been lots of researches through the years about ER traumas that report how people who live a near death experiences tend to see the "white light" or a person they had lost that they loved. That's what researches say. They're scientific and I'm 99% sure they can be proved, though as far as we know....most of them are based on personal experiences. I will never deny it because they're scientific and psycholigcal reserches. But ghosts are spirits, not real entities. You'll never find a scientist who will agree with your statement. I'm sorry, but Rita Levi Montalcini and other nobel scientists like her would laugh out loud reading this statement.

This isn't Calleigh's first out of body or near-death experience, I don't even get the logic why this episode would be jumping the shark when pretty much same thing was done in previous episodes. And besides, even if it was a ghost, it's not like there was no investigation, it's not like everyone just listened to the ghost and didn't use evidence and science to back it up. Even with paranormal there are science and evidence. It's hardly that farfetched.

First of all Calleigh had never seen a ghost before this episode. I applaude her initial behaviour 'cause she WAS rational in that hummer when she was freaking out!!!! Then what? She helped the ghost and the whole investigation was based on what Calleigh saw thanks to the ghost? Sorry, but this just ridiculous. Next time let's have Casper investigate on who ran off Horatio, will you?

It would have been ok, if they hadn't based the investigation on this!!! It would have been ok if Calleigh had just said "look I talked to that teen. I met him"...that's all. Anything else was ridiculous!

Sorry, but I will never accept this statement "ghosts are real".....
- yeah Santa Claus does exist
- yeah I'm the president of the United States of America
- yeah by 2010 we will al become immortal

Sorry, but I define myself too rational to accept this crap even on a fictional show called CSI :lol:

 

[Finch]

Just because Ryan said they'll "know" doesn't mean he believes who heartedly that they will know for sure, it's most likely used as a figure of speech, normal people do speak that way, not always so literally.

From where I was viewing the episode, it didn't seem like a figure of speech. It seemed like an assumption and then finding evidence to support the theory instead of the other way around. It seems as though that's the way Ryan's been handling himself for the past couple of episodes ('Spring Breakdown', he was pushing for accidental death over murder and the ME basically had to tell him "do you want to hear what I have to say or not"). Some may see it in a less severe/important light or that he was doing a good job and I'm completely off, but I felt as though he could have taken a step back and reflected more closely on the facts before jumping into certainties.

Are the expectations fair for real life? Probably not. Even in this day and age, some cops don't depend on the science/culmination of evidence but gut instinct and a confession. Some still see the science as a stepping point into a stronger case but not necessarily the deal breaker. Even though I'd like for Ryan and any other CSI to listen to the evidence first, it's actually pretty realistic to see him make a determination first and find evidence later. It's my view that if the other CSIs weren't there, Ryan probably wouldn't have investigated further. Many may disagree, but that's my take. *shrugs*

As for the ghost thing...for the record, I believe in the paranormal/spirits/beyond etc. but Calleigh saw the grass before she even left the scene (like Horatio said. And I think we were even shown a view of the grass during/right after the teaser) so even though she was apparently walking around from the beyond investigating, the road lead to the same outcome/determination. Whether or not she would have identified its importance when she woke up is another issue entirely but it's not completely out of the realm of possibilities.

 

[greatfan]

Some may see it in a less severe/important light or that he was doing a good job and I'm completely off, but I felt as though he could have taken a step back and reflected more closely on the facts before jumping into certainties.

I don't have a problem with the jumping to certainties as long as the investigating continued.There could be reflection or second thoughts which is why the investigation continued .

It's my view that if the other CSIs weren't there, Ryan probably wouldn't have investigated further. Many may disagree, but that's my take. *shrugs*

Don't know if it's true or not(I tend to think not,see above) but I find it irritating that the character was introduced as someone with an eye for detail( one of the writers description) and thorough, which is what was said of him his first episode.I tend to think the writers just tweek the character to the episode instead of maintaining his characteristics.They dumb him down,then smarten him back up,he's detailed,then he's not,etc.

 

[Delynn]

Don't know if it's true or not(I tend to think not,see above) but I find it irritating that the character was introduced as someone with an eye for detail( one of the writers description) and thorough, which is what was said of him his first episode.I tend to think the writers just tweek the character to the episode instead of maintaining his characteristics.They dumb him down,then smarten him back up,he's detailed,then he's not,etc.

The character assassination with Ryan has been painful to watch (while at the same time Jon is looking mighty fine lately!).

You're right, greatfan. Ryan's character was perceived and introduced as a polar oposite of what they are doing to him lately. The writing for his character has been so irratic one has to wonder if there are any writers who have any idea what this character is about.

The first season of ANY character should be required viewing for every writer so that they can get a perspective for who that character is and how he came to join the team. Basic character traits are established in the introduction phase and the writers on this show should hang their heads in shame that they don't know their characters better then their writing demonstrates. :scream:

 

[greatfan]

The first season of ANY character should be required viewing for every writer so that they can get a perspective for who that character is and how he came to join the team. Basic character traits are established in the introduction phase and the writers on this show should hang their heads in shame that they don't know their characters better then their writing demonstrates. :scream:

Perhaps over the summer hiatus,the writers need to have a intense review.I had said some time ago that the writers should feel ashamed of themselves,but perhaps they don't care.

 

[Grissom rules]

The first season of ANY character should be required viewing for every writer so that they can get a perspective for who that character is and how he came to join the team. Basic character traits are established in the introduction phase and the writers on this show should hang their heads in shame that they don't know their characters better then their writing demonstrates. :scream:

Perhaps over the summer hiatus,the writers need to have a intense review.I had said some time ago that the writers should feel ashamed of themselves,but perhaps they don't care.

Aren't the new writers occupied with watching a great amount of episodes before they join the show?

You are all right about Ryan and the way he has been treated by the writers lately...