Re: Season 8 Spoiler Discussion - There's Nothing You Can't Do In New
(Sry. Apologies for teh massive post related hiccup prior. The digital realm is proving decidely uncooperative today).
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If Mac is finally going to get some closure can we now have our Smacked happy ending since in all likelihood this will be the last season anyway and we have damn well earned it. If we are all being strictly honnest the only reason there is S8 at all is because of the CSI tag attached it would be long gone other wise given the truly disasterous ratings slide of the last season from 16m+ at the end of S5 to barely scraping 9m in S7 the maths is obvious aint it the show is dying on it's feet. I see Desperate Housewives is going too so to TPTB I humbly plead please follow their example and show the audience the respect it deserves we have all waited eight long extremely frustrating years for our Smacked happy ending and secondbest Danville just isn't good enough and never will be.
How about, can we have a great S8, whatever it brings?
The CSI tag no doubt helped, as did the fact that there's an established market for the whole franchise worldwide. Bottom line, if it didn't remain a profitable show, it wouldn't have been brought back, whatever the various ratings have been.
May I observe that having a Name associated didn't help teh likes of Criminal Minds: Suspect Behavior? Which would no doubt have had a lower production budget, had a great time slot, and established lead in?
However it happened, whatever odds it beat, whatever math inexplicably doesn't add up, whatever unforeseeable cosmic cataclysm somehow impossibly thwarted non-existent Smack, whatever personal and professional circumstances led MK to depart and SW to arrive, NY got a S8 order with Danville as part of the show. That's good enuff fer me.
Imma just leave things at that
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Sela is doing a fantastic job with replacing Melina, and IMO the show was better during the seventh season than it was during the Fifth and the Sixth. At the end of the day, in 5 years time nobody is going to look back at a show and remember how much they enjoyed it because of the ratings ('The Shield' and 'Homicide' never had great ratings, but they're legendary shows) they'll look back and remember the acting and storylines, which have been better during the Ward era than during the reign of Kanakaredes, IMO.
Nicely said.
Important
scoop!
@Daniellegirli: Anything on CSI: New York's Danny and Lindsay?
We had a feeling you'd want some Danny-Lindsay scoop so we tracked down CSI: New York executive producer Pam Veasey and she told us that Danny's (Carmine Giovinazzo) new promotion makes things a challenge for the married detectives: "They are like ships passing in the night. They have to deal with that and wonder what [the promotion] is worth and then Danny will make a decision about it." Does that mean he'll be returning to the crime lab soon? She says: "It's awhile, it takes awhile. But they do have to talk about it."
:lol:. Right. Tracked down PV just to have such matters answered
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Sigh. "Ships passing," huh?
Well, insofar as the implication is that Danny and Lindsay have indeed been separated, and have had to find ways to exist independently of one another since he got his new assignment, I'm happy.
...That said, I'm thinking it remains unlikely that we'll actually see much of them apart, outside of Messer dealing with Gorgeous Rookie Screw Up (which might have been written to expand on the nature of !Tensions resulting from the promotion). I expect that a great deal of Danny's and Lindsay's early screen time will still be composed of the pair of them together, wherein they will emote about said separation. Not quite so keen on that.
KellGreen1: Are we going to see Lucy Messer this season on CSI: New York?
Survey says: Yes! Executive producer Pam Veasey tells us we'll see the littlest Messer again: "But she won't be 19 or anything. She'll be her true age. We won't advance her forward and be like. '[Speaks in adult voice] Hi, Mom.'"
Inquiring minds want to know!!
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..."The Littlest Messer?". Lol. The kid has a future on a spin-off, apparently.
Every time we get another one of these questions about the same thing, I feel like posting
this GIF.
I'm so with you on this one.
Ditto.
Honestly, I'll be glad if Danny comes back to the lab....There's only so many ways that they can write him in the show if he's not actively involved in the cases.
Well, as with Mac working elsewhere, I don't really expect NY to keep the team fragmented for long. PV's "it takes awhile/they have to talk about it" would seem to suggest that's where he'll eventually find himself.
(Anyone wanna start a betting pool on how long it takes?)
Oh, and I would give up my promotion too if it meant that I barely saw my wife (well...husband since I am a female). My marriage would mean more to me than my job. That's just how I feel.
Unless Danny and Lindsay are written as being on completely different shifts, to the extent that they then wouldn't even have time together at home, then separation anxiety and job pressures really shouldn't be quite so dramatic an issue
. Given both are cops, it's also bit ridiculous to think they wouldn't know the possible ramifications that such a promotion might bring.
Ships passing does rather sound like opposite shifts might be something they're contending with, and that's fair enough to have them deal with.
And you guys get so upset that Danny and Lindsay's storylines...nevermind, Lindsay never gets her own storylines
...you get so upset that whenever Danny gets a storyline, its connected to Lindsay in some way, but guess what? THEY'RE MARRIED. Every choice that they make affects each other. That's just how it works.
Lol. Look, it is understandable that a certain portion of screentime is devoted by the writers to addressing a relationship the show created, that's a given especially as it is between two main characters in an ensemble show. But they are cops. On a cop show. It might be nice to see them both foremost as cops from time to time, and not always as half each a relationship.
It might also be nice to not have relationship drama feel as if it trumps cop drama on a cop show. Danny's a Sgt. responsible for a Rookie on a learning curve. Danny's married to Lindsay, and his promotion has had an impact on them. Both are fair. Both could be interesting. But I'd like to see more of the former and less of the latter. On a cop show an' all.
Danny & Lindsay have receded from being two characters and essentially become one. The writers are not in the least obliged to write them that way. That's how things came to work, not necessarily how it could or should
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The spoiler mentions them being like ships passing in the night, so I am guessing that means they don't see much of each other. Danny's promotion means he has more responsibility, which probably means he works longer hours which is going to have a HUGE affect on them as a family, more than likely reducing the time Danny gets to spend with Lucy as well as Lindsay. I can most definitely see things getting to a point where Danny has to make a decision about whether the promotion is worth all the sacrifices. To me there is nothing wrong with showing that on screen. Its actually a pretty realistic situation IMO.
There isn't anything wrong with it. I'd just personally like to see Messer being a sergeant as well as the DL component.
Being a Sgt. wouldn't necessarily mean longer hours than he was already working, unless he's putting them in of his own accord, and possibly unpaid, which would defeat the purpose of part of his motivation in taking the exam. Contrary to belief, extensive overtime is not just available for the taking.
The responsibility he now carries is, for me, the most interesting part of the storyline, because it has the potential for his character to be challenged in ways he hasn't been in years.
That Lindsay has not been mentioned specifically within this at all suggests her participation will be DL-based as well, as opposed to getting any separate screentime or related story arc where she faces something solo.
There are endless opportunities for TPTB to give each separate focus. It's apparently not the point of the exercise. DL is.
This is the most significant offering of material to Danny in years, so I'm not surprised that there are mixed reactions, that some will enjoy the DL side of it more, and that some are really hoping for interesting things to happen with Danny as a result of the promotion. It's all fair game.
Is it my imagination, or have there not been any spoilers about Flack yet?[/B]
Other than Danny/Lindsay, are there any other news about Mac, Jo, Don, Sheldon, Sid, etc.?
NY could apparently write a grand opera's worth of dramatic material with all of them, and the spoiler sites would still feature questions about what DL had for lunch :lol:.
Reducing a potentially interesting story line to being all about relationship drama, which I happen to find ridiculous.
You are not alone with that point of view.
IMO, it's because it's a DL storyline disguised as "character develolpment."
I'd agree if I thought the promotion had in fact been created to be anything other than a relationship drama. I don't think it's in disguise at all.
That NY feel the need to feature the relationship to the point of excluding any other individual material is what's perpetually disappointing.
ETA: If TPTB wants Danny back in the lab there are plenty of ways to do it without making it about DL. How about he gets injured again and can't work the streets? How about he decides he doesn't like being responsible for other people? How about he screws up and is demoted? All of these things would also give DL something to discuss as a couple without it being all about thier relationship. Danny as a character shouldn't have to revolve around DL as a couple ALL the time.
From your keyboard to PTB's ears. I'm hoping that sorta stuff does come into play, that the issues are greater than separation.
It seems to me that they're finding a way to 'undo' the promotion thing, in a way, because it was added at the end of season 7 when the show might have ended.... Now that the show is coming back, it's not onvenient to have him out of his usual spot (and I guess they can only come up with so many contrived ways for him to be involved with the case every week), so they have to ask themselves how to bring him back. Falling back on DL is the obvious choice, considering that's all either character has really had for a long time. :/
An interesting point. (Also all very well and concisely said, btw).
Although.
I agree that S7 was a way to set up a possible Ever After, but it was as open ended and ambiguous for Danny as it was for Mac.
Just because Danny took the Sgt. exam didn't mean he had to have been written to pass it, nor that there would be slots available to be assigned to in that capacity, nor that he had to accept the transfer, especially as both Danny and Lindsay knew what it might entail.
This sounds like TPTB choosing to continue on with a DL line more than worrying about re-incorporating Danny, given they didn't have to write him leaving the labs at all. It kinda seems more in keeping with how they've written Mac as well, stepping out and then returning.
That said, I do like that they've taken it on to shake things up even that much. And I can't wait to see a) the 9/11 aspect to the premiere, b)what state Jo has left Mac's desk in
, and c) Messer in a position of greater and unavoidable responsibility.
'CSI: NY" will be paying tribute to 9/11 this fall....
Usually shot in Los Angeles, the series will be in town on Monday to film two special scenes for the episode at the Brooklyn Wall of Remembrance.
It's a case of art imitating life, since Sinise was involved in raising money to finish the wall in real life and his character will be putting together a celebration for the wall.
The episode was written by two people with ties to NYC -- executive producer Zachary Reiter, a former Queens assistant district attorney who worked with homicide investigations, and supervising producer John Dove, a former NYPD lieutenant who was a 9/11 first responder.
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http://www.nypost.com/p/entertainment/tv/csi_tribute_leD384hhHAgXOftm1hoNEO#ixzz1Ud4eyY71
Very cool. I was hoping they would. Also remain impressed with the scope of the premiere. Looking forward to it.
On Danny's promotion: He could ask Mac to pull some strings so he can keep his rank but return to the lab, or get assigned as a Homicide Detective Sergeant with Flack.
'NYPD Blue' had Sipowicz stay in his Detective Squad when he made Sergeant by pulling strings with the chief, I believe, and Mac does have connections.
Dunno. I guess it's possible. Well, anything is on teevee :lol: but I'd guess his rank & title, would foremost be determined by the capacity he works in, whatever that is. I'd guess NYPD bureacracy would not wish to have titles, ranks, and related salaries mismatch.
What seems to have been omitted in consideration, or at least not spoken of, is whether or not anyone new came in to take Messer's slot in the labs at all. (Unless I've missed something in that regard?)
Just as Danny would have to wait for an opening to be assigned a Sgt. command, someone else would likely have been assigned to the labs once an opening arose there. That's also where it could have been interesting for the rest of the team, in addition to them working with Mac on apparent sabbatical, Messer moving up and out, and Jo in charge.
It's not like NYPD just randomly shuffle people around. ...except on teevee
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