Season 7 *Spoiler Lab* Discussion & Posting - Part 4
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assumenothing
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Yeah, I definately agree it can't be Hodges. Not because I think it's too obvious- if it was him, I would definately want to know how he did it under all their noses- but because I just don't see where he would've gotten the time. Or the potential to. He's may be quirky, but no way would Hodges EVER kill ANYONE.
MacsGirlMel
Mac's Personal Assistant
Hmm...I'm not sure either he's the actual killer but don't think I'll rule out some kind of involvement perhaps...I think though that I'll kinda hold off on any judgements for sure until we get more spoilers or see more eps or both.
It could be that Hodges has involvement that he doesn't even know about, I mean ever give advice or listen to someone who is just talking for what you think is the sake of talking, and while you're thinking one thing it actually means somthing different.
heck it could even be just a person he meet in passing and talks to occassionally and doesn't even realize what they are up to, it could be someone asking questions you think their just courious and they think I got a good source of help and he doesn't know it. It could be any number of things.
heck it could even be just a person he meet in passing and talks to occassionally and doesn't even realize what they are up to, it could be someone asking questions you think their just courious and they think I got a good source of help and he doesn't know it. It could be any number of things.
allmaple
Judge
oh i like that theory Destiny. maybe hodges was yapping on about grissom being away and taking his course online, that could be how someone found out grissom would be out of the lab for a month.
plus, wallace coming out and saying killing people would get grissoms attention? why not just say 'it is hodges'? i think they are just trying to throw us through a loop
over a month before the episode airs theyre not going to tell you how it ends
plus, wallace coming out and saying killing people would get grissoms attention? why not just say 'it is hodges'? i think they are just trying to throw us through a loop
over a month before the episode airs theyre not going to tell you how it ends I also like that theory. He likes to talk. He wants attention...Maybe the wrong person heard him...listened to him...Maybe David thought that he found a friend...never know...
I'm very confused about the schedule. Supposedly there is a break till April 5th, when there will be 7x18...so how does Wallace figure that 7x20 is on the 12th?
I'm very confused about the schedule. Supposedly there is a break till April 5th, when there will be 7x18...so how does Wallace figure that 7x20 is on the 12th?
brass_lives
Prime Suspect
Oooh. I really like that. Kind of like Hagrid (Harry Potter) with his "I shouldn't ha' said that." That would be fun.
I think whatever is 'revealed' about Hodges will just further him as a red herring. There is no way he'd say what he did in that interview if he was the real deal.
Hey all, I've been an avid fan of CSI since it came out and a frequent visitor to Talk CSI for a while but I thought I'd throw in my few cents.
Hodges is too obvious. It's a CSI writer's thing to throw us red herrings. Remember last season when a lot of us thought that Brass was going to die? And when we thought we'd see a Grissom/Sara scene where maybe he asks her out or something and then we find out they've been in a relationship for a while? CSI writers are known for going completely off the beaten path and that's what made the show survive so long. Even 24 is nowhere near the ranking of what CSI is.
My thought is that it's CSI Henry Andrews - Toxicology expert. The actor, Jon Wellner, is a "researcher" for the show. If they kill off his character, he's still with the show. Basically Wellner is a fill-in actor for a character that has rarely showed up until recently...(http://www.crimelab.nl/characters.php?series=1&lname=Andrews&fname=Henry)
Henry was added last season and it would be much less of an impact for the show to get rid of one CSI that's only been there for two seasons and has hardly any screen time than a character that they've developed like Hodges. With Henry Andrews, we hardly know anything about him meaning the writers can now develop a bigger plot with him in it.
Henry also has a lot of knowledge in toxins. The second and fourth victims were poisoned (second victim convulsed and bled out from the pane of glass, the fourth victim was CO poisoning created by a combustion reaction). The first victim (Izzy) was a fairly large man and probably very capable of defending against an attack to the head. It would take a lot of stealth and strength to hit him in the head so right that a single blow would kill him. Wouldn't it be easier to make him drowsy and weak first, then hit him in the head? The third victim was found in the pool of water and electrocuted. How would the killer place the third victim there? It would be so easy if he was drugged. Henry, being a toxicology expert, would have the knowledge on what toxins to use that would not leave a trace on the body (plus it wouldn't be toxins that killed the victims, it would be some other form - but toxins will be used to weaken them). Henry would also be the person able to hide results from the other victims of any toxins in their system.
My theory is that Henry Andrews is the MCSK. He probably has connections to Sara somehow, possibly a stalker, got a job at CSI last season because of Sara, found out that Sara and Grissom were together, went nuts, killed a bunch of people to try to get to Grissom, and finally when Grissom figures it out, he's taken hostage?
Grissom as a hostage instead of Sara would be more interesting in my opinion. Sara would have to pick up the MCSK investigation with Catherine (who will take over for Grissom) and find Grissom. We'll see a lot of Sara drama and Grissom drama in the same episode. In the end, Sara could end up shooting Henry to save Grissom and since she has said she couldn't take another person's life, it could (along with the plot in Empty Eyes) could have a huge psychological effect on her forcing her to resign (if Jorja Fox doesn't re-sign). That'll leave it open as well for Jorja Fox to return in the future as a guest or as full-time (after Sara has "recovered").
It wouldn't be the first prime time action/crime drama to have a new character that was a stalker/killer. In NCIS, a new lab tech applied for the job to frame an NCIS agent. In Cold Case, the finale involved a serial murderer who was a file clerk. So if the writers go with the Henry as MCSK route, then it'll be interesting to see how they spin it since two other CBS shows in the same category as CSI have done the same thing too.
p.s. how do I apply to be a writer for CSI? j/k
Hodges is too obvious. It's a CSI writer's thing to throw us red herrings. Remember last season when a lot of us thought that Brass was going to die? And when we thought we'd see a Grissom/Sara scene where maybe he asks her out or something and then we find out they've been in a relationship for a while? CSI writers are known for going completely off the beaten path and that's what made the show survive so long. Even 24 is nowhere near the ranking of what CSI is.
My thought is that it's CSI Henry Andrews - Toxicology expert. The actor, Jon Wellner, is a "researcher" for the show. If they kill off his character, he's still with the show. Basically Wellner is a fill-in actor for a character that has rarely showed up until recently...(http://www.crimelab.nl/characters.php?series=1&lname=Andrews&fname=Henry)
Henry was added last season and it would be much less of an impact for the show to get rid of one CSI that's only been there for two seasons and has hardly any screen time than a character that they've developed like Hodges. With Henry Andrews, we hardly know anything about him meaning the writers can now develop a bigger plot with him in it.
Henry also has a lot of knowledge in toxins. The second and fourth victims were poisoned (second victim convulsed and bled out from the pane of glass, the fourth victim was CO poisoning created by a combustion reaction). The first victim (Izzy) was a fairly large man and probably very capable of defending against an attack to the head. It would take a lot of stealth and strength to hit him in the head so right that a single blow would kill him. Wouldn't it be easier to make him drowsy and weak first, then hit him in the head? The third victim was found in the pool of water and electrocuted. How would the killer place the third victim there? It would be so easy if he was drugged. Henry, being a toxicology expert, would have the knowledge on what toxins to use that would not leave a trace on the body (plus it wouldn't be toxins that killed the victims, it would be some other form - but toxins will be used to weaken them). Henry would also be the person able to hide results from the other victims of any toxins in their system.
My theory is that Henry Andrews is the MCSK. He probably has connections to Sara somehow, possibly a stalker, got a job at CSI last season because of Sara, found out that Sara and Grissom were together, went nuts, killed a bunch of people to try to get to Grissom, and finally when Grissom figures it out, he's taken hostage?
Grissom as a hostage instead of Sara would be more interesting in my opinion. Sara would have to pick up the MCSK investigation with Catherine (who will take over for Grissom) and find Grissom. We'll see a lot of Sara drama and Grissom drama in the same episode. In the end, Sara could end up shooting Henry to save Grissom and since she has said she couldn't take another person's life, it could (along with the plot in Empty Eyes) could have a huge psychological effect on her forcing her to resign (if Jorja Fox doesn't re-sign). That'll leave it open as well for Jorja Fox to return in the future as a guest or as full-time (after Sara has "recovered").
It wouldn't be the first prime time action/crime drama to have a new character that was a stalker/killer. In NCIS, a new lab tech applied for the job to frame an NCIS agent. In Cold Case, the finale involved a serial murderer who was a file clerk. So if the writers go with the Henry as MCSK route, then it'll be interesting to see how they spin it since two other CBS shows in the same category as CSI have done the same thing too.
p.s. how do I apply to be a writer for CSI? j/k
brass_lives
Prime Suspect
But how does that explain the pictures of the bloody doll? I still think those clues are extremely significant and that the message 'you were wrong' also relates back to those images. I think the doll is something to do with Grissom (one of his old cases), and that is why the killer has singled him out.
Would someone repost or tell me where that Carol quote was? I think that's the one that has everyone suspecting Hodges, but I can't remember specifically what she said.
Also, I was going to post this Greg rant in the Fallen Idols thread, but I realized it's more of a 'hope they can fit this into this season' thing so I'm sticking it here.
I'm hoping that Greg's storyline this season will allow the brash, good-humored Greg to come back. His vibrant personality has been all but squashed. He has seemed almost timid in his approach to EVERYTHING, and that is so not in-character for him. This is the boy who scuba dived, stashed his porn in the office, played metal in the lab, wore evidence (after processing it, of course) on the job. We need more of that kind of fearless fun from him. I don't see why he can't show more of that aspect of himself as a CSI. This season has been sad/beaten down Greg. Whatever happens with this Aaron storyline, I hope it frees him from all of that.
Would someone repost or tell me where that Carol quote was? I think that's the one that has everyone suspecting Hodges, but I can't remember specifically what she said.
Also, I was going to post this Greg rant in the Fallen Idols thread, but I realized it's more of a 'hope they can fit this into this season' thing so I'm sticking it here.
I'm hoping that Greg's storyline this season will allow the brash, good-humored Greg to come back. His vibrant personality has been all but squashed. He has seemed almost timid in his approach to EVERYTHING, and that is so not in-character for him. This is the boy who scuba dived, stashed his porn in the office, played metal in the lab, wore evidence (after processing it, of course) on the job. We need more of that kind of fearless fun from him. I don't see why he can't show more of that aspect of himself as a CSI. This season has been sad/beaten down Greg. Whatever happens with this Aaron storyline, I hope it frees him from all of that.
Oh sorry forgot to mention my theory about the doll. But my theory can really be applied to anyone in the lab. Grissom's a literacy fanatic. He quotes Shakespeare. He reads a lot of books and quotes many famous authors. I get the feeling Griss even read the encyclopedia! I wouldn't be surprised if the writers kept with the same theme of Grissom's amazing literary knowledge.
One famous book and author is Henrik Ibsen's "A Doll's House". In A Doll's House, the main character, Nora, is married into a family where she has no rights in the matters of the house at all. The whole play by Ibsen was about deception and lies where everyone lived a double-life. The doll in "A Doll's House" was symbolism for the roles that everyone plays in the "House".
The doll could symbolize the hypocritical role and the blood could mean "the death". Death (or the end) to hypocricy, lies, and deceit?
First victim: Izzy Delancey. He had an affair - a double life.
Second victim: Penny Garden and her drugs.
Third victim: he had an affair with the boss's wife
Fourth victim: she as a psychologist but had psychological problems herself.
It could be a character that feels they are self-righteous. (it COULD point to Hodges since he's pretty full of himself but I don't think he's full of himself to the point of being that self-righteous). Also why would they really make us think it's Hodges unless it's...not Hodges.
Carol said that it is someone that the viewers have met already and that there are clues to who it is. I think the clues dropped were the fact that two victims were directly poisoned and it's possible that all four were too. Poisoning doesn't lead to cause of death - it causes one of the vitals to fail (e.g. medical shock, lung failure, etc). They could have been poisoned, then died from another cause (first vic was blunt trauma to the head, second vic was loss of blood, third vic was electrocution, fourth vic was suffocation). So yeah, I get the feeling it's Henry.
He may see Sara as Nora and Grissom as Torvald (Nora's controlling husband) and by hurting Grissom and luring Grissom into a trap, he thinks he's liberating Sara from a controlling Grissom (or so he thinks).
I'm waiting for the next MCSK episode!! Hopefully we'll find out more and then I can change my theory or rule Henry out altogether. (and it's a lot better than thinking Sara or Hodges. Geez I hope it's not Sara!)
One famous book and author is Henrik Ibsen's "A Doll's House". In A Doll's House, the main character, Nora, is married into a family where she has no rights in the matters of the house at all. The whole play by Ibsen was about deception and lies where everyone lived a double-life. The doll in "A Doll's House" was symbolism for the roles that everyone plays in the "House".
The doll could symbolize the hypocritical role and the blood could mean "the death". Death (or the end) to hypocricy, lies, and deceit?
First victim: Izzy Delancey. He had an affair - a double life.
Second victim: Penny Garden and her drugs.
Third victim: he had an affair with the boss's wife
Fourth victim: she as a psychologist but had psychological problems herself.
It could be a character that feels they are self-righteous. (it COULD point to Hodges since he's pretty full of himself but I don't think he's full of himself to the point of being that self-righteous). Also why would they really make us think it's Hodges unless it's...not Hodges.
Carol said that it is someone that the viewers have met already and that there are clues to who it is. I think the clues dropped were the fact that two victims were directly poisoned and it's possible that all four were too. Poisoning doesn't lead to cause of death - it causes one of the vitals to fail (e.g. medical shock, lung failure, etc). They could have been poisoned, then died from another cause (first vic was blunt trauma to the head, second vic was loss of blood, third vic was electrocution, fourth vic was suffocation). So yeah, I get the feeling it's Henry.
He may see Sara as Nora and Grissom as Torvald (Nora's controlling husband) and by hurting Grissom and luring Grissom into a trap, he thinks he's liberating Sara from a controlling Grissom (or so he thinks).
I'm waiting for the next MCSK episode!! Hopefully we'll find out more and then I can change my theory or rule Henry out altogether. (and it's a lot better than thinking Sara or Hodges. Geez I hope it's not Sara!)
Wojo
Corpse
Some more info on Big Shots from CSIFIles news section Read it here
Also there are spoilers out for episode 21 (NOT 20) why they skipped 20? you guess is as good as mine.
Ep 21 - Ending Happy:
Taken from YTDAW
Felix "Happy" Morales, an ex-boxer who works (and plays) at Sugar Cane, a whorehouse bordering
on a trailer park filled with old people. Happy is not very well-liked by the whores of the
house. Abusive, menacing, and generally unable to control his flatulence.
So Happy is dead and it's up to the CSIs to figure out the how and the who.
That's all I found so far.
Also there are spoilers out for episode 21 (NOT 20) why they skipped 20? you guess is as good as mine.
Ep 21 - Ending Happy:
Taken from YTDAW
Felix "Happy" Morales, an ex-boxer who works (and plays) at Sugar Cane, a whorehouse bordering
on a trailer park filled with old people. Happy is not very well-liked by the whores of the
house. Abusive, menacing, and generally unable to control his flatulence.
So Happy is dead and it's up to the CSIs to figure out the how and the who.
That's all I found so far.
vegaslights
Brute
LMFAO. I'm reading "Cannery Row" and it mentions whore houses quite a bit. :lol:
Do we know how many episodes there are this season? Because so far this episode isn't leaving me 'happy.'
Do we know how many episodes there are this season? Because so far this episode isn't leaving me 'happy.'
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