Season 7 Spoiler Discussion part 2 - Fighting Crime In Gotham

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Not before the end of January, at least - the site I check updates the list of new/repeating episodes regularly, but I only know about a month in advance or so. It'll probably be a while, though...

Thanks, Fay. It seems weird that they're re-airing the CSI Vegas season premiere this week and not the NY one.
 
So, is CSI: NY really going to put Mac and Jo together? — Maria
ADAM: Well, that kind of depends on you, Maria. Executive producer Pam Veasey insists that she isn't writing that into the show, but that sometimes the audience perceives sparks. Specifically, Veasey thinks the January episode that introduces Jo's ex husband (David James Elliot) is going to create some waves. "There's a little hint of him wanting [Jo] back," she says. "It's a relationship of his pursuit, and she's not completely resistant to it. I can't wait for it to air because I want to know if the audience wants him to be around or go, 'No! We want her to be with Mac.' I think the audience will definitely think there's a triangle in motion."

Please oh please re-unite Jo with Russ. Jo can absolutely stay in New York.

I'd rather Mac be with somebody off-screen or remain happy and single. Mac strikes me as someone who is very inert, at least from a romance point of view.

Very much like the worst of D/L, I see Mac/Jo turning into a disaster that turns many people off, very much like many rejected the Mac/Peyton/Aubrey triangle tumbleweed mess.
Now, where would the fun be if Jo simply went back to Russ? :p

The whole point is to play tension, I expect :lol:, pulse of many a show. And a way to augment what apparently still resides between Jo and Russ is to add another external pressure to what is already an internal struggle for her, in that she's admittedly torn about his renewed advances. Hence, ...Mac.

Could be real, or could simply be perceived by Russ, and the way it may be shot may be to lead on the audience via what Russ thinks he's seeing, before having it all called out into the open, the result of which could be to have Jo and Russ confronting some unfinished business, and also a realization by certain other characters that there could indeed be some interest. Who knows.

Either way, I don't think it's a big deal. I think it's about Jo, not about Mac at all, and yet it's curious that some folk keep putting the onus on him in this storyline, and his relationships in general. I expect Mac might already be somewhat protective, as he is with all his team, but not a whole lot more. Nothing of Jo's life has taken up anything but sideline time in an episode. I don't think the cases will take a back seat to anything, I think the show will continue merrily on, nudging and dabbling without having to commit to anything at all, happily knocking off a case per week, and presumably keeping Sinclair and Carver's replacement happy :p.

I personally think this is all much ado about very little, again, and that playing to lines is far more fun for a show than crossing any. Not to mention the fact that there was already a short comment from SW a ways back about how it was entertaining to see the dynamic between Russ and Mac. I'll take that as a good hint about what we'll see, and put PV's comments to her usual.

I also suspect the show would be tempted, depending on DJE's availability and audience response, to draw this on a bit, to have Russ recur as a presence in Jo's and her children's lives, because a wrench from the past in the works of a major life transition, especially someone seemingly inflappable as Jo, could be a great deal of fun. And should the ep with their adopted daughter be a major storyline, that could be another one where he makes an appearance that relates to a case, and not just to interpersonal interaction.

As for Mac being "inert," I understand what ya mean, but I also do recall that it was Mac who made the move to ask Aubrey out, and not vice versa, and who also asked Gillian Whitford or whatever her name was to coffee, a distinction from earlier seasons where it was clear Peyton and Rose had approached him :p.

Lastly, DL was a disaster simply as a duo, for lack of chemistry and decent continuity in writing, among other things. IMO of course. The relationship has pretty much usurped a great deal of any material they have been given as a result. That is one reason I would not like to see pairings between main, core characters. But, !Tension? I can live with that.

The so-called Twilight Triangle-Wot-Wasn't was actually concise and pretty well handled and integrated. Bit of a leap to suggest that everyone hated the ten minutes it totaled in air time :lol:. I liked it quite fine. I won't presume to speak for anyone else. All the uproar over any rumoured romance material certainly takes up much more time than whatever has appeared on screen :p. I include Sheldon's love life in that too ;)

Hey. BTW, Uh, no pressure, Maria, being as it's all up to you, apparently :lol:

Cranky Mac, Sarcastic Flack, and a plethora of Clowns, bright, vibrant, clowns... :lol:. Should be a fun scene.

Damn clowns. :shifty:
:rommie: :p. Me three.



So, my new background pic :lol: By virtue of DJE's pose cracking me up every time I look at the thing.
*ahem* "...er. Uh, David? You, uh, you're kinda, slightly, erm, well, towering over all your colleagues there. We want a nice line in composition. Do ya suppose mebbe you could hunker down a bit? No, no, you're right, looks funneh. The lighting doesn't help much. Um, how about, lean forward? Right. Good. Now do something actorish. Ya know. Strike a pose wot seems like a good idea at the time but is actually gonna be kinda funny in hindsight. Ha. Now, that is brilliant, don't move..."

they don't plan to put Mac and Jo together, some of the viewers will see something-something between them. ;)
Kind of like some do now!:lol:
...something not unheard of with regards the main characters on this show, no? :p.

(...I, uh, of course refer to Hawkes and Adam... :p. No, really... :lol: OK, well, them too then :p)

Another pic for 7.11

Nice that it looks like Russ is gonna be involved in the case and not just in Jo's life.
 
Kind of like some do now!:lol:
...something not unheard of with regards the main characters on this show, no? :p.

(...I, uh, of course refer to Hawkes and Adam... :p. No, really... :lol: OK, well, them too then :p)
HOW DARE YOU IMPLY THAT I'M ONLY IMAGINING THINGS BETWEEN THEM! THEIR LOVE IS SO CANON!!!1!

:shifty: *cough* Not sure what came over me just then...carry on...

:p

The pictures of DJE are definitely making me curious to see how the dynamic between Jo and Russ plays out onscreen - and Jo, Russ and Mac, of course. ;) The CSIs rarely get along well with the FBI on these shows, so it'll be interesting to see how that works when the FBI agent is the newbie's ex-husband. (I also wonder if, should the show go with the conflict-between-CSI-and-FBI angle, Jo might butt heads with the others a bit as a former FBI agent herself.) I guess we'll see!

ETA: Info on another episode - 7.16 "The Untouchable". I'll be back in a little while with more information!
 
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I'm also wondering how involved will Russ be with the case. I always thought he was coming just as Jo's ex but the pics make me think otherwise. So all of them working together do create interesting circumstances which I'm sure will be an interesting dynamic to watch.

I write Russ and keep thinking Ross from Friends and it's really distracting :shifty:
 
Yeah, Russ is involved in the case because they start looking into a man that's in witness protection.

Okay, this is all a bit confusing, but here's what I can say about 7.16:
7.16 "The Untouchable":

~ The episode opens with a man and a woman driving a black SUV. In the back, an unconscious man is tied up with a black hood over his head. They drive out to a pier and drag the man out of the car and toward the end of the pier. They force him onto his knees and hold a gun to his temple, warning him: he's on a dangerous path. If he doesn't stop poking around, he'll be back at the end of this pier again, only next time they'll use the gun.

~ When the man and woman leave, the hooded man is able to undo his restraints and pull off the hood - it's Mac!

~ The case involves a woman named Tessa. I believe she's OCD. She came to see Mac at his apartment one night, and she said she knew she could trust him to find out the truth. She gave Mac some vague details about a dead woman and several men carrying the body away, and she promised to meet Mac the next day at a cafe to talk about it. She met Mac as promised, but she left when a black sedan drove by the cafe.

~ Tessa winds up dead, and the team has to investigate her murder as well as the murder she witnessed. She has newspaper clippings and magazine pages and whatnot, which the team use to figure out what she knew. If they can solve the first crime, they'll know who wanted Tessa dead.

~ It's definitely a pretty Mac-centric episode.​
 
^^Sounds interesting. Though I have to admit that I wish that instead of Mac it would've been another character; ideally Flack.

Thank u!
 
I'm usually not a fan of the Mac!Heavy episodes, but this one sounds completely different than ones in the past. I'm looking forward to it!
 
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they don't plan to put Mac and Jo together, some of the viewers will see something-something between them. ;)
Kind of like some do now!:lol:


...something not unheard of with regards the main characters on this show, no? :p.
:lol: A..err...whatcha talkin about!:p I'm afraid PV sucked me in!:lol:

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Is this the only stance Mac has? He looks like a cardboard cutout that they keep inserting into pictures!:lol:
 
Is this the only stance Mac has? He looks like a cardboard cutout that they keep inserting into pictures!:lol:

OMFG that is so true! He really does. It's like the physical and spiritual entity of Mac went to New Orleans and left a cardboard impersonation or hologram to fool the others into thinking he's actually there! :lol::guffaw:
 
OMFG that is so true! He really does. It's like the physical and spiritual entity of Mac went to New Orleans and left a cardboard impersonation or hologram to fool the others into thinking he's actually there! :lol::guffaw:
...sooooooo, the implication is that the notion of Mac going to New Orleans has actually sucked the life outta him...? :p

Kind of like some do now!:lol:
...something not unheard of with regards the main characters on this show, no? :p.

(...I, uh, of course refer to Hawkes and Adam... :p. No, really... :lol: OK, well, them too then :p)
HOW DARE YOU IMPLY THAT I'M ONLY IMAGINING THINGS BETWEEN THEM! THEIR LOVE IS SO CANON!!!1!

:shifty: *cough* Not sure what came over me just then...carry on...

:p
hee ;)

I await the ep that makes it such keenly :cool:.

In da meantime. I will indeed continue to carry on madly :p.

The pictures of DJE are definitely making me curious to see how the dynamic between Jo and Russ plays out onscreen - and Jo, Russ and Mac, of course. ;) The CSIs rarely get along well with the FBI on these shows, so it'll be interesting to see how that works when the FBI agent is the newbie's ex-husband. (I also wonder if, should the show go with the conflict-between-CSI-and-FBI angle, Jo might butt heads with the others a bit as a former FBI agent herself.) I guess we'll see!
Also something I'm wondering about, and, admittedly, kinda hoping for. Mac is abrasive within the NYPD, so I can't think he'd be all smooth just cos it's da Feds :p. It would also definitely be interesting to see Jo wrestling with her various allegiances a bit too.

7.16 "The Untouchable":
Hmm. Actually, it sounds pretty good. If it had just indicated the ususal, that someone has once again approached Mac with something, from whichever side of the legal fence, I'd be less curious. I think I like the fact that Mac's not simply barking from the periphery of the case, but that he's managed to find himself apparently out of his depth, well past hands on and into elbow deep, abducted and threatened, etc.

We've had Adam in direct peril this season, and Mac winged in a shoot out by a gang member, but not really anyone else (or have I forgotten someone?). I suppose I could count Messer & Flack's take-down of the massive suspect dude, but they did decide to make the first move :p.

Seems to be a great deal of effort into making this an off-the-books approach to a case, with the house-call and the cafe meeting. Not sure what to make of that yet. Hope it's more than just a way to make it a Mac ep. If this is turns out to be a story that somehow "challenges his judgement," well, that could definitely be good too.

Sounds an interesting way to start an ep, too (while then no doubt using part of it to catch us up to that point). Hard to wonder what the exciting and crtitical denoument will be, if that's what they're starting with :lol:.

More generally. A bit odd to expect a cop to "stop poking around," assuming they know he is one :p. Not to mention, when are perps ever gonna learn how to tie a decent knot, or use bindings that will hold fast? :lol:. Apparently, Timing is sooooo everything on NY, innit; wouldn't be able to roll the opening credits if Mac weren't able to set himself loose and pull the hoody off :lol:. Still sounds interesting though.

Thanks for pics and tidbits, yas all :)
 
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