Season 12 Spoiler Lab Discussion Part 2

Ray lying about murdering Haskell (no matter if Haskell goaded him or not, IMO Ray beating Haskell to a pulp and tossing him over the railing doesn't equal a "struggle" and then a "whoops" fall.) to get a self defense or justifiable homicide determination doesn't redeem Brass as a character, though, and that was the original point of the whole conversation. People would still know what Brass did and it would still be wrong and reflect badly on Brass' character.

 

Not to belabor this , but I just wanted to say I agree with PA. Ray could plead diminished capacity, temporary insanity, or something to that effect, but there was no 'oops' involved. He wanted Haskell dead because of what he did to Gloria. Period. If he wanted to just beat him up, he could have done that with the cuffs on. Legally, 'justifiable homicide' can't be argued just because someone deserves to die, only if there is some impending threat. And while the cuffs were on, there wasn't one.

And Brass' character is forever tainted; he crossed the line, it doesn't matter why. Most people who participate in a cover-up feel that they are doing the right thing and are usually protecting someone, but that's not their decision to make; that's something for the legal system to decide. Police officers have to live by the rules; if they don't, where does it stop? I think eventually this will come back to bite him. But in the premiere I expect Ray to take total responsibility and leave Brass out of it, for now. I'm sure I'll continue to like Brass as a character, but when he accuses someone of tampering with evidence or rags on them about vigilante justice, then it will appear hypocritical and won't carry the same weight with me.

Just 9 more days; YAY!

 

Actually, if you really want to split hairs, Ray said he would kill Haskell way before he knew what Haskell did to Gloria. He told Dr. Lady Heather that he would kill him. Like I said before, if Haskell had just kept his mouth shut, it was my feeling that Ray would've been OK with just cuffing Haskell and subduing him. But that's not what Haskell wanted. Ray played right into Haskell's hands when he told him about what he did to Gloria. There was no drama in Ray cuffing Haskell. Ray captures Haskell and saves the day--the end. Yeah, right.

Brass made an unfortunate error in judgment, period. If Ray had been given a chance to say what went down versus Brass shutting him up, the truth would've come out and all this drama could have been avoided. But again, there's not a whole lot of drama in that--is there?

 

What Ray did is on Ray, regardless of what Haskell did.

IMO, there could've been ways to bring drama without screwing with Brass' character the way they did. I do admit I'll be interested to see what they do with Brass now that he's technically a dirty cop. My guess is they'll do a half assed job of dealing with it and then forget it ever happened much like they did when Flack killed Angell's killer on NY because that's what happens with a supporting character. That's one thing that kind of annoys me with the CSI franchise as a whole. They do episodes where they shove the message that vigillante justice/covering for another co-worker is wrong down the audiences' throats and then they pretty much send the message that it's OK if you're a core member of the team.

 

The sound of a love triangle unnerves me a little.

 

Yeah I really wonder what that's about. Triangles are always bad news, especially in this franchise!

 

It definitely depends on what she means by "Triangle." I could see some humorous scenes with the guys trying to outdo each other flirting/trying to impress her. :lol: :shifty:

 

12.02 press release:

 

That I'd be more ok with. It definitely follows a CSI trend having Hodges and Henry interested in Wendy and in some degree Greg and Grissom with Sara. So Greg and Nick? Greg and Henry? Greg and Hodges? I don't know why but I keep seeing Greg in the mix somehow :lol:.

Have we heard anything on Lou? When is he back?? :shifty:

 

Everyone has always been accepting to newer people. :shifty:

Obviously, by what Harnois said, Nick is accepting of her, too. The team has always embraced a newbie.

Well, there might be tension between Russell and Nick and Catherine, but that's expected since they'll both be demoted (still assuming Nick will be demoted, too).

 

What is this, CSI High? Gee, I wonder who Morgan will pick to go to the Spring Dance? I can just see the fan fics now!