Ryan/Jon #19: Fresh Togo

[GregNickRyanFan]

I'm going to explain why I think you are misinterpreting Ryan's alleged "suspicious" behavior:

I can NOT understand why anyone would think that Ryan would want to hurt Horatio. Has everyone forgotten that Ryan told Horatio that he didn't know how he would repay him for getting him his job back? Ryan told Horatio he appreciated him getting him his job back and he couldn't thank him enough for that. Do you honestly think that Ryan would repay Horatio by trying to have him killed? Come on, you've got to see how absurd that sounds!

I'm absolutely annoyed with the writers for that whole freaking "it's done" message on Ryan's phone at the end of last season. I seriously feel like throttling them. Ryan was already disliked by many Speed fans and the writers just made that so much worse by pulling this crap.

BTW just for the record, I loved Speed too, but I don't blame Ryan for Speed's death even though I hated what was done with Speed. He was my favorite on the show at the time. Ryan didn't take Speed's job. Ryan started as an entry Level CSI. Speed was probably at least a Level 2 if not Level 3/Lead CSI. Horatio just needed an extra team member after Speed's death because CSIs are high in demand and they only at the time had Horatio, Calleigh and Eric. They needed a larger team due to heavy case loads, which is why Ryan was brought in.

I don't think Ryan would ever want to hurt Horatio. Horatio went to bat for him and risked his job to get Ryan his job back. It's EXTREMELY HIGHLY UNLIKELY that Ryan would want Horatio dead. It just wouldn't make ANY sense AT ALL.


Oh, and by the way, I can totally explain Ryan's "suspicous" behaviour. See below:

Spoiler: response

1) there have been spoilers that have said point blank that Ryan is HELPING Horatio with staging his death. So, that pretty much debunks the whole "Ryan put a hit on H" theory right there! Oh, and also, there have been spoilers that have said that evidence from the crime scene leads to JAKE, Jake, not Ryan! As far as we know, Jake and Ryan have never even met! Not that I think that Jake is out to get Horatio either (Jake is one of my fave characters, second only to Ryan himself). Jake is also undercover. Spoilers have said both men are helping H (along with Yelina).

2) We know from past experiences that Ryan gets nervous and uncomfortable when doing undercover assignments (ie helping Horatio figure out who the mole is). Remember when he told Horatio, "I don't think I can do this anymore." And Horatio told him to trust him and that it wouldn't fall on him. And when Horatio makes a promise, he keeps it. That didn't fall on Ryan at all. But, Ryan was still nervous. He knew that some members of the team already were determined not to like him because of him coming in after Speed's death (and so soon after at that). He was really worried about how the team would react if they found out he was helping H sniff out the mole... and that he had to observe every member of the team in order to do so. So, that's why he's acting suspicious. He's nervous that the team will be angry with him for keeping this secret from them... the secret that Horatio is really still alive.

3) Horatio is supposed to be back to work in the first episode (3 months later) and the "shooter" is supposedly found out. Ryan's still working with the team in episode four which pretty much means that he wasn't the shooter nor did he order the hit.

4) Ryan has absolutely ZERO motives for ordering a hit on Horatio. Ryan respects Horatio. And he told Horatio that he owed him a lot for helping him get his job back. Why in God's name would Ryan ever want to hurt Horatio? If it wasn't for Horatio, Ryan wouldn't have his job back!

5) Spoilers have also said that it will be a surprise/shock as to who shot Horatio and why. Given the whole text message thing, Ryan being the culprit wouldn't be much of a surprise would it? Not to mention if the writers did that then they would totally be stealing from "Bones"'s plot of having Zack be the one who murdered that lobbyist. :lol:

Given the number 4 reason I listed, it drives me nuts and makes me that anyone would ever think that Ryan would have a reason to want Horatio dead. It's not like Ryan's next in line for Horatio's job or anything. He's actually last in line... well, second to last. Horatio is a Lieutenant. Rick Stetler would actually realistically be the next in line for the job. Remember, he scored higher than Horatio and Horatio got to be Lieutenant instead.

 

[lausi_GM]

Couldn't have said it better! Thanks for stating exactly what I think too! (and many more, I'm sure abut that). Ryan trying to kill Horatio does not make sense at all! I get increasingly annoyed with the writers for even hinting that the character will go down that road. It's plain stupid and I hope to God, they will give the guy a break soon. I understand that Jonathan likes acting out the "darker side" of his character but for a Ryan fan, it's sometimes downright painful to watch (not the acting, of course, Jon's great with that). I just would appreciate if Ryan got along better with the rest of the team and if they would actually APPRECIATE him the way he deserves it (but then, I'm biased...I love this character to bits ).

The clip from the first ep is awsome. You're lucky to be able to watch this show on Sept. 22nd. (...won't think about how long it will take for us - outside America - to get to season 7. We're not even through with season 6 yet).

 

[GregNickRyanFan]

understand that Jonathan likes acting out the "darker side" of his character but for a Ryan fan, it's sometimes downright painful to watch (not the acting, of course, Jon's great with that).

I agree with that. It is painful as a Ryan fan to watch him be bashed on by the other characters. I wouldn't mind if they made him funny/silly/goofy sort of like Greg on Vegas was when he was a labrat, but as for this so-called "dark" side and the whole gambling crap (or should I say Warrick version 2.0), enough of that. I don't mind if he makes mistakes on the field like using the bathroom at the scene (like Greg on Vegas did once) or something like that. That's fine cause as humans we all make mistakes. But, they could still have him make honest mistakes and not these stupid ones like gambling right before he's supposed to be at work or something lame like that. I hated that. I hated it more when he got fired by Stetler. Although I loved it when Horatio went to bat for him and got him his job back. That's why everyone (except the criminals) loves Horatio. He's so caring for his team, his family, kids, the victims and the victims' families, etc. And he never breaks a promise.

One more point I want to make about the good guy gone bad thing. They already did this with the Cooper character. It would be stupid and redundant if they pulled the same thing (somewhat) with Ryan. Not to mention they'd lose a lot of viewers (including me)! And they'd probably drop out of the "number one show" category. They might would still be in the top five, but I doubt they'd be number one anymore. And I just don't think they are going to risk that.

You're lucky to be able to watch this show on Sept. 22nd. (...won't think about how long it will take for us - outside America - to get to season 7. We're not even through with season 6 yet).

Really? That sucks. I never understood that. Why some movies come out in one country before another or why some countries are a season or more behind on some shows. How far into Season 6 are you?

 

[lausi_GM]

We're only as far as EP 04
I guess one problem is the dubbed version of the show. Takes time to do that. On the other hand, I much prefer the original version (and voices) anyway...thank God for amazon.com Thankfully season 6 has been released on DVD now and I'll have it in my hands soon (so that I can catch up on the eps).

As for the evil writers liking to bash Ryan, that drives me mad too! As you said, it's not so much that he makes mistakes, is the type of mistakes they make him do. C'm on, I get that Ryan is portrayed as ambitious, but he's certainly NOT STUPID! And the mistakes they have him make are stupid beyond description! For e.g. they had the ep Inside Out on here and I couldn't believe how they made him act. Selling out Natalia to be an expert for the defense?!?! Yeah, right...he's out to harm the very team he so desperately wants to get back on. Give him some credit please! Why would he do a stupid thing like that No sense at all! ...I shouldn't get started on this...not while I'm still at work here ...I could go on forever about this matter....ah well...let's just hope, somehow they (evil writers)will NOT mess it up even further in season 7.

 

[dopebabygirl]

You're lucky to be able to watch this show on Sept. 22nd. (...won't think about how long it will take for us - outside America - to get to season 7. We're not even through with season 6 yet).

Really? That sucks. I never understood that. Why some movies come out in one country before another or why some countries are a season or more behind on some shows. How far into Season 6 are you?

yeah that really sucks, season 6 just started in Germany, i think next tuesdays will the 603 be aired. so we're always 1 season behind.

You just need to have some friendly people,recording it and sendit to you takes hours but, well it works
I couldn't wait for so long - and I hate to watch it in German

 

[lausi_GM]

Hi dopebabygirl :hugegrin: Another fellow-sufferer ...and isn't the German version awful!!!! As you said, thank God for nice people out there who provide us with the "new stuff". It's my own fault I get so impatient. I just should stay away from spoilers and youtube....but I can't :lol: ...need to know what's going to happen ...

 

[dopebabygirl]

speccially when you read all the new stuff, and have to waita year to find out what will happen
the German version is a lot more that just awful
I hate the voices and the translations - they mostly suck
it's just, I don't know maybe the people who dub it, have no I idea how to do it

Can't wait to see ryan in the new season and what he's going to wear

 

[Solitaire]

We are only on season 6, ep 6 or something here in the UK, and they dont have the dubbing excuse here! Im bad and read all the spoilers, cant wait a year!

Spoiler: s7

Talking of spoilers: I definitely think Ryan would get all worried and emotional hiding Horatio's death, he didn't cope with the stress of finding the mole very well. He doesnt like lying to his co-workers. I am thinking this storyline will be a good thing. For one thing he is getting airtime, and hopefully it will lead to some heroics. And if Eric and Calleigh are mad at him, it wont last long

 

[lausi_GM]

I hate the voices and the translations - they mostly suck
it's just, I don't know maybe the people who dub it, have no I idea how to do it

Can't wait to see ryan in the new season and what he's going to wear

You're so right!!!! Can't wait to see the first climbses of Ryan in the new season. No doubt, he'll be sexy as hell :drool: ... am afraid though, it will still be suits and tie for him ...such a shame they got rid of the jeans and t-shirts

 

[lausi_GM]

We are only on season 6, ep 6 or something here in the UK, and they dont have the dubbing excuse here! Im bad and read all the spoilers, cant wait a year!

Spoiler: s7

Talking of spoilers: I definitely think Ryan would get all worried and emotional hiding Horatio's death, he didn't cope with the stress of finding the mole very well. He doesnt like lying to his co-workers. I am thinking this storyline will be a good thing. For one thing he is getting airtime, and hopefully it will lead to some heroics. And if Eric and Calleigh are mad at him, it wont last long

I hope you're right. This would be an interesting story line for Ryan. And Ryan airtime is ALWAYS good!!! Not so sure about Eric though. He might still be p.....d at Ryan (he seems more the type to holde a grudge against him than Calleigh )

 

[Stee]

Spoiler: s7

I loved that promo, i was like omg omg all long...I really liked when they were yelling at each other. And it's true you can see how emotional Ryan gets, i don't remember if i've ever seen him yelling at someone so hard like this...I luv emotional Ryan:adore: and when he says :'As soon as I heard on the radio' you could hear he's worried.
For Eric and Calleigh I do't think they'll be mad at him for long, it just won't make sense for me, cause they're a team etc. they have to focus on who wanted to kill H

We have dubbing here too, yesterday evening i watched the end of 5th season on TV....I actually hated it, everyone's voice is fine except for Ryan's, I almost stopped adoring him when i heard that voice :lol: and the translations are awful, too, sometimes i can clearly remember they didn't say anything like that in original:scream:

 

[greatfan]

GNRF,you stated your views so well.I have pointed out most of the very same views at one time or another on this board and others,as well as to friends.Ryan telling H he would never forget he went to bat for him I think is a huge factor.It is also overlooked that Ryan indeed has done this type of work before.
Quite a few that I know have always considered Ryan a replacement for Speed and some how can't get pass that mistaken idea.Almost evey move Ryan makes is seen as suspect.Every mistake some how worse than every one else's mistakes.
There may be quite a few surprised fans in season 7,at least at the start of season 7.

 

[starzsgirl]

I'm going to explain why I think you are misinterpreting Ryan's alleged "suspicious" behavior:

I can NOT understand why anyone would think that Ryan would want to hurt Horatio. Has everyone forgotten that Ryan told Horatio that he didn't know how he would repay him for getting him his job back? Ryan told Horatio he appreciated him getting him his job back and he couldn't thank him enough for that. Do you honestly think that Ryan would repay Horatio by trying to have him killed? Come on, you've got to see how absurd that sounds!

People change, yes it would be odd for Ryan to suddenly do this, but at the same time he was hardly in S6 and he could have been off brooding and planning on another way to get a head. We've never seen inside Ryan's head and who knows what is going on in there. He could have been plotting something since he started, and even if he looks like a nice guy it's usually the quieter ones who come up with the huge plans.

As for being "absurd", the rest of the show is completely coming from left field and really hasn't made total sense in characters actions since end of S3 beginning of S4.

I don't think Ryan would ever want to hurt Horatio. Horatio went to bat for him and risked his job to get Ryan his job back. It's EXTREMELY HIGHLY UNLIKELY that Ryan would want Horatio dead. It just wouldn't make ANY sense AT ALL.

Who knows...H can survive a burning car so Ryan might be able to flip his emotions and actions at will. They might be in on this whole thing together and are going to take over the lab as and evil duo.

Spoiler: 1

there have been spoilers that have said point blank that Ryan is HELPING Horatio with staging his death. So, that pretty much debunks the whole "Ryan put a hit on H" theory right there! Oh, and also, there have been spoilers that have said that evidence from the crime scene leads to JAKE, Jake, not Ryan! As far as we know, Jake and Ryan have never even met! Not that I think that Jake is out to get Horatio either (Jake is one of my fave characters, second only to Ryan himself). Jake is also undercover. Spoilers have said both men are helping H (along with Yelina).

Spoiler: responding to point 1

Spoilers are always subject to change, they are never word for word as posted. TBTB could be pointing at Jake to take some of the heat off of Ryan so that it's not obvious that a good guy went bad. Jake and Ryan have met, Jake works with the department as it may not have been shown it's a very logical conclusion to draw.

Spoiler: 2

We know from past experiences that Ryan gets nervous and uncomfortable when doing undercover assignments (ie helping Horatio figure out who the mole is). Remember when he told Horatio, "I don't think I can do this anymore." And Horatio told him to trust him and that it wouldn't fall on him. And when Horatio makes a promise, he keeps it. That didn't fall on Ryan at all. But, Ryan was still nervous. He knew that some members of the team already were determined not to like him because of him coming in after Speed's death (and so soon after at that). He was really worried about how the team would react if they found out he was helping H sniff out the mole... and that he had to observe every member of the team in order to do so. So, that's why he's acting suspicious. He's nervous that the team will be angry with him for keeping this secret from them... the secret that Horatio is really still alive.

Spoiler: response to point 2

Ryan could be putting on one heck of an act. Like I said the other day he has a penchant for playing Dungeons and Dragons, a role play game that requires a person to act out a character. He could, in reality he could be doing a LARP, a live action role play, Ryan just isn't using the costume aspect. Nervous could be one of the traits he feels will help to get his access to the information that he needs. There are so many ways to look at his behavior it's not just one way or the other.

Spoiler: 3

Horatio is supposed to be back to work in the first episode (3 months later) and the "shooter" is supposedly found out. Ryan's still working with the team in episode four which pretty much means that he wasn't the shooter nor did he order the hit.

Spoiler: response to point 3

Agina all subject to change, and even if Ryan is working with them still doesn't mean he didn't have a hand in the while thing.

Spoiler: response

Given the number 4 reason I listed, it drives me nuts and makes me that anyone would ever think that Ryan would have a reason to want Horatio dead. It's not like Ryan's next in line for Horatio's job or anything. He's actually last in line... well, second to last. Horatio is a Lieutenant. Rick Stetler would actually realistically be the next in line for the job. Remember, he scored higher than Horatio and Horatio got to be Lieutenant instead.

Spoiler: response to this point

People disagree with opions all the time, this really shouldn't come as a suprise. And debating is a healthy part of life, not everyone is going to agree all the time. I personally think that Ryan going bad would be an interesting plot twist and help to take away from the annoying H drama. There needs to be something different and Ryan can be the one to achieve playing double duty. Perhaps I'm the only one whose noticed that he acts different around H than the rest of the team, more inquizitive. Around the rest he is quieter and only speaks when he has something to say or has found evidence. As for Steatler.....he'd find someone to run the lab for him he's not going to get hsi hands dirty. He would rather boss someone around than be bosses around.

 

[CSI_Kat]

Just wanted to pop in with some caps from the finale. Makes me anxious for the premiere.

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so kissable
you can come in my car anytime
serious

 

[Finch]

Ryan started as an entry Level CSI. Speed was probably at least a Level 2 if not Level 3/Lead CSI

Level 3, if I remember correctly. So yeah, already their roles were different when Ryan first appeared.

Spoiler: response to #4

People disagree with opions all the time, this really shouldn't come as a suprise. And debating is a healthy part of life, not everyone is going to agree all the time. I personally think that Ryan going bad would be an interesting plot twist and help to take away from the annoying H drama. There needs to be something different and Ryan can be the one to achieve playing double duty.

Spoiler: response

I agree. I think it would be a really interesting edge not only to the storyline but to the character, despite that I feel we'll probably be getting something close to what GNRF/spoilers have described. However, it's neat to think that maybe Ryan isn't the completely innocent/goofy guy but maybe he has a darkness about him. Maybe this storyline could be the lead-in to further development into that part of his psyche, even if he didn't order the hit.

Kat, lovely pics. I adore the suit he had in that episode; I love the greyish-brownish tone of the jacket, though not so much the purple.