Now That Petersen, Fox, Dourdan Are Gone

[Adzix]

Re: Petersen, Fox, Dourdan Leaving *No Spoilers*

well you know, every show has a main character and it doesn't mean he's hogging the screen time, lol. i mean, have you seen, i don't know, SVU? geez, Mariska's such a hog.

besides, Grissom is definitely in less scenes than he used to be in earlier seasons. he got a personal storyline to finish before he leaves for good and i don't see anything wrong with that.

truly, i don't think George or Eric have what it takes to lead the show. i see them mostly as supporting actors, same with the rest of the cast, maybe except Marg. TPTB must've thought something similar which is why they have hired Fishbourne. so, you might be disappointed to see George not being the center when Billy leaves.

now, i don't mean to say that the actors don't have the means to create a unique character and lead a show. what i think is that their characters are created to be more in the background. CSI decided to show more personal storylines for one, later two, characters mostly and neglect the others to bring some hollywood into forensics but remember not to transform into a soap (in other words-a balance). and it worked, CSI's formula is successful - it's still a #1 show on TV in its 9th season.

 

[NHRFan]

Re: Petersen, Fox, Dourdan Leaving *No Spoilers*

Look at Gum Drops, it was the highest rate that George did and I don't know what the rate it was. George can carry the show, so it Marg, Paul, and Eric.

Jorja said in the interview, the way she said it, Without Billy, the show won't last. Sound like she don't think Marg, George, Eric and Paul will carry the show. I think it will. If you make the show interested and science. Yes, the show will last 'till 10 or more season.

Grissom maybe the lead of the show. CSI is not Grissom's show, it's CSI show and People got favorite people on the show, it's not always Grissom. I love Grissom, he is my second favorite, but Nicky is my first favorite, because Nick is sexy, hot, caring and other thing too.

 

[Kimbo08]

Re: Petersen, Fox, Dourdan Leaving *No Spoilers*

well you know, every show has a main character and it doesn't mean he's hogging the screen time, lol. i mean, have you seen, i don't know, SVU? geez, Mariska's such a hog.

besides, Grissom is definitely in less scenes than he used to be in earlier seasons. he got a personal storyline to finish before he leaves for good and i don't see anything wrong with that.

truly, i don't think George or Eric have what it takes to lead the show. i see them mostly as supporting actors, same with the rest of the cast, maybe except Marg. TPTB must've thought something similar which is why they have hired Fishbourne. so, you might be disappointed to see George not being the center when Billy leaves.

now, i don't mean to say that the actors don't have the means to create a unique character and lead a show. what i think is that their characters are created to be more in the background. CSI decided to show more personal storylines for one, later two, characters mostly and neglect the others to bring some hollywood into forensics but remember not to transform into a soap. and what is the effect? it worked, CSI's formula is successful - it's still a #1 show on TV still in its 9th season.

Breath, Kimbo.

Yes, Mariska is a hog...and so is WP.:wtf: Most main actors arent usually an executive, which is probably why he gets so much air time.

And last time I checked, they are pushing GE more into the spotlight as of late because they most likely believe he can support the show. Yes, every show has a main character, and this one is leaving. And yes, he has one final storyline to finish before he goes. But about 10 posts up, they are already talking about him returning. He isn't even gone yet! He's dominating all the spoilers, all he pictures, all the media. If that's not a hog, then I don't know what is.:scream:

Another thing, yes, he is still on the front burner, constantly. He is still in the same amount of episode as he was before.

Marg is an awesome actor, and in season five when the team was split up, she lead the team then. And look, it has the same amount of people as before, with the exception of Riley. Catherine can lead a team, and Marg can lead a show.

George and Eric's character were created as supporting actors, but that doesn't mean they can't lead a show. Their both great and totally worthy of the time WP gets. Maybe once he's gone they will get a decent story line that will finally resolve what happened to Warrick.

The only people who ever have full arcs (with exception to Grave Danger) is Grissom and Sara. She's left, came back, left again, and is still everywhere.:wtf:

NicknGrissom I agree with you, but I don't think they will last another 10 seasons, with or without WP. Most shows don't, and this show has been tanking since Season 7 when Grey's popped up. They are back to number one, but I say two or three more seasons tops even if WP stayed.

 

[Jacqui]

Re: Petersen, Fox, Dourdan Leaving *No Spoilers*

besides, Grissom is definitely in less scenes than he used to be in earlier seasons. he got a personal storyline to finish before he leaves for good and i don't see anything wrong with that.

Neither do I. Like I said, I'll miss him.

truly, i don't think George or Eric have what it takes to lead the show. i see them mostly as supporting actors, same with the rest of the cast, maybe except Marg. TPTB must've thought something similar which is why they have hired Fishbourne. so, you might be disappointed to see George not being the center when Billy leaves.

You might find yourself surprised at what Eric, George, and Marg can crank out. Given the material, every one of these actors has the ability to carry the show, and they've proven it. I will grant you that they can't do it alone, but Billy Petersen didn't do it alone either and I would be both astonished and disappointed if he didn't admit that.

Also, Laurence Fishburne was hired for ratings - they want to pull in new viewers. Not because the rest of the cast sucked and couldn't cut it without King Billy. If that were true they'd have just cancelled the show.

One more thing: I love Jorja Fox, but she was out of line saying that CSI couldn't go on without Billy. Way out of line.

 

[Kimbo08]

Re: Petersen, Fox, Dourdan Leaving *No Spoilers*

Jorja Fox said that?! Where and when?!?!

That's really sad. I'm really disappointed that those words left her mouth. Great faith in your ex-coworkers their Jorja...

 

[Adzix]

Re: Petersen, Fox, Dourdan Leaving *No Spoilers*

lmao, you really don't like him do you?

anyway, in business, especially showbusiness, if something works you gotta make it happen. Billy/Grissom works for this show. i really don't think Billy is the one to make everyone post spoilers or pictures about him coming back. if there wasn't any demand for it, you wouldn't even notice it was there.

btw, why suddenly being a producer makes him a bad guy? why are we talking about his paychecks? i mean, that is the oldest argument ever. look, he's rich! hate him! lol

ETA:

You might find yourself surprised at what Eric, George, and Marg can crank out. Given the material, every one of these actors has the ability to carry the show, and they've proven it. I will grant you that they can't do it alone, but Billy Petersen didn't do it alone either and I would be both astonished and disappointed if he didn't admit that.

i didn't say Marg cannot carry the show, i actually said she could. and if you read my whole post you would know that i didn't mean that the actors couldn't do it, but their characters are not made to be the center.

 

[jafox]

Re: Season 9 *Spoiler Lab* Discussions P2

For Warrick brought in 23 milllion viewers, more so than the GSR premiere of 2007 with about 19 million..

Not to nitpik, but I will anyway , this information is wrong. The 2007 premiere DD brought in over 25 million viewers.

Yes, we all have our favorites, and Sara is still mine, but I didn't stop watching the show when she left. I enjoyed it more with her in it, and I may prefer my favorite reruns, but I'll stick with the show unless something better comes along.

That quote from Jorja was taken out of context. She said the show won't be the same without Billy, and it won't. But that says nothing about it being worse. Even CM said the show would be different; we just don't know what that means yet.
I don't think you'll ever find a better team player than JF, or WP for that matter. They have always been supportive of the whole cast. And both have always encouraged the ensemble approach. I really wish we wouldn't get personal about the actors. The media will always distort the truth to make a story more interesting. These people worked well together for 8 years and it showed on screen; it's a great show because of all of them and their chemistry, and their friendship.

 

[Jacqui]

Re: Petersen, Fox, Dourdan Leaving *No Spoilers*

i didn't say Marg cannot carry the show, i actually said she could. and if you read my whole post you would know that i didn't mean that the actors couldn't do it, but their characters are not made to be the center.

I did read your whole post. You said:

truly, i don't think George or Eric have what it takes to lead the show

You gave Marg a "maybe."

As for what Jorja said, I was responding to what someone else posted. Reacting to hearsay - shame on me, I know :alienblush:. Allow me to apologize - as I said, I really do like Jorja.

 

[Kimbo08]

Re: Petersen, Fox, Dourdan Leaving *No Spoilers*

lmao, you really don't like him do you?

anyway, in business, especially showbusiness, if something works you gotta make it happen. Billy/Grissom works for this show. i really don't think Billy is the one to make everyone post spoilers or pictures about him coming back. if there wasn't any demand for it, you wouldn't even notice it was there.

btw, why suddenly being a producer makes him a bad guy? why are we talking about his paychecks? i mean, that is the oldest argument ever. look, he's rich! hate him! lol

ETA:

You might find yourself surprised at what Eric, George, and Marg can crank out. Given the material, every one of these actors has the ability to carry the show, and they've proven it. I will grant you that they can't do it alone, but Billy Petersen didn't do it alone either and I would be both astonished and disappointed if he didn't admit that.

i didn't say Marg cannot carry the show, i actually said she could. and if you read my whole post you would know that i didn't mean that the actors couldn't do it, but their characters are not made to be the center.

:guffaw:I love how you take things out of context. Really, it's funny. If you had ready my whole post you would have known that I don't hate him because he's a producer. Heck, I didn't even say I hated him. I said it could explain why he's always the center.

And as I've said a hundred times, I do like WP, I don't, however, like how much airtime he has. You get it now?! Talk about beating a dead horse...

And I don't think it's getting "personal" exactly if we are talking about the possible (positive and negative) effects said actors have on the show.

 

[Adzix]

Re: Petersen, Fox, Dourdan Leaving *No Spoilers*

That quote from Jorja was taken out of context. She said the show won't be the same without Billy, and it won't. But that says nothing about it being worse. Even CM said the show would be different; we just don't know what that means yet.
I don't think you'll ever find a better team player than JF, or WP for that matter. They have always been supportive of the whole cast. And both have always encouraged the ensemble approach. I really wish we wouldn't get personal about the actors. The media will always distort the truth to make a story more interesting. These people worked well together for 8 years and it showed on screen; it's a great show because of all of them and their chemistry, and their friendship.

ITA. and i think i'm done responding to some posters b/c they take it all too seriously. chill out, it's a TV show.

I did read your whole post. You said:


Quote:
truly, i don't think George or Eric have what it takes to lead the show

You gave Marg a "maybe."

yup, that is what i said. and i also said, in the same post:

now, i don't mean to say that the actors don't have the means to create a unique character and lead a show. what i think is that their characters are created to be more in the background.

 

[Kimbo08]

Re: Petersen, Fox, Dourdan Leaving *No Spoilers*

Yes it is just a TV Show, but you are taking it just as personal as soon as we even begin second guessing WP's greatness. I mean, come on. Everyone has their opinion. You don't have to like it.

 

[Jacqui]

Re: Petersen, Fox, Dourdan Leaving *No Spoilers*

I did read your whole post. You said:

Quote:
truly, i don't think George or Eric have what it takes to lead the show

You gave Marg a "maybe."

yup, that is what i said. and i also said, in the same post:

now, i don't mean to say that the actors don't have the means to create a unique character and lead a show. what i think is that their characters are created to be more in the background.

Those are contradictory statements.

I agree that their characters, nine years ago, were created as support roles. It's nine years later; the actors are more seasoned, the characters more developed. Which is not to say that I want it to turn into a soap opera - I love George Eads, but if it turned into the George show I would stop watching it.

 

[Adzix]

Re: Petersen, Fox, Dourdan Leaving *No Spoilers*

*sigh* i don't. as i've said before, he's not God, and he doesn't suck either. he has 3 more episodes left, which are already filmed, plus one more later. so i don't really know what are we talking about here.

i mean, you think he has too much screen time, i don't. let's leave it at that.

Those are contradictory statements.

ok, sorry if i didn't explain myself better. but i think you know what i mean.

 

[Kimbo08]

Re: Petersen, Fox, Dourdan Leaving *No Spoilers*

I can't wait til he's gone, you can. No one is saying he's horrible. But, someone must think he's god cause he is referred to as "The King"...so....

 

[Adzix]

Re: Petersen, Fox, Dourdan Leaving *No Spoilers*

^ i don't take responsibility for other people's actions.

btw, awesome avie. lol

i'm glad we could settle our differences though.

now, i'm curious to see who else leaves and who joins, cuz i don't think George or Marg would want to stay on CSI for many more years. anybody knows when are their contracts running out?