How Is Lindsay Adjusting to NY?

Faylinn said:

Anywho, I agree that they should've shown the differences between Montana and NYC more, but not just by having her feel like she's the little fish in the big pond. I'd love for her to come up with ideas and answers that the rest of the team don't think of because she's dealt with different cases and a different sort of environment--I want to see that yes, she can be at a disadvantage sometimes, but also that she herself is a definite advantage to the NY team. :D
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It's not necessarily about showing that she is a little fish in a big pond as it is her reacting to her changed surroundings- the culture, the diversity, the pace, the worldview. You never had any sense that Lindsay experienced or acknowledged the change in her life or surroundings. The reality is that New York and Montana are separated by more than mere geography and for her simply to walk into that world as if nothing has changed was absurd and a missed opportunity. She showed no discernable emotional response to the shift in her life, it was a little like she was an automaton.

Showing her at both an advantage and a disadvantage would be welcome, but what has been done so far to show her at a disadvantage has been at best cliché and superficial. Like the Houston incident, what all New Yorkers now have the classic movie mobster, Sopranos accent? My fear is that a character that has already shown sycophantic tendencies would do little to endure herself by suddenly having the all the right answers and moves without ever displaying any discomfort in her new world. I would welcome her perspective on cases, but first we need to know she is from someplace else, and not just by the show runners releasing a blurb or Danny calling her Montana.

Again, for me it goes back to a lost opportunity on the part of the writers to show people New York from the perspective of an outsider, break down the common held stereotypes, and show us her adjustment period. We never saw that and that is why her character comes off as no different than the rest of the cast and with that being the case, why make her from Montana in the first place. I mean someone from Queens or the Bronx can have a bloody secret.


Er, how is it supposed to be pronounced?...I say "Houston" like hyoo-sten (or something like that)...would people in NY laugh and throw stones at me? :eek:

;) :p :lol:
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We always laugh and throw stones at outsiders, but only after we get our strength up by eating our young. :lol: ;)

Ali
 
It's not necessarily about showing that she is a little fish in a big pond as it is her reacting to her changed surroundings- the culture, the diversity, the pace, the worldview. You never had any sense that Lindsay experienced or acknowledged the change in her life or surroundings. The reality is that New York and Montana are separated by more than mere geography and for her simply to walk into that world as if nothing has changed was absurd and a missed opportunity. She showed no discernable emotional response to the shift in her life, it was a little like she was an automaton.
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*nods* Ah, I see what you mean. I think you hit the nail right on the head there. What I meant was more about the fact that 'differences' usually turn out more like 'she can't handle the job.' As several people on here have stated, the job remains (mostly) the same, even if the place is different and on a much larger scale. I'm with you on the fact that they should show the differences, but I also want them to show that she can contribute in a positive way to the lab in NY. :D But since they seem determined to avoid the subject altogether, I don't think it matters either way. :rolleyes: :p (Besides, I dont' think I just said anything that hasn't already been said in one way or another...:eek: :lol:)

We always laugh and throw stones at outsiders, but only after we get our strength up by eating our young.
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:eek: Ah, I s-see...Have you eaten lately, JDonne? :p :lol:

I think it's HOW-ston.
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Really? That's silly...:rolleyes: Silly New Yorkers. ;) (But don't tell them I said that, especially if they've just eaten some of their young. :p)

*dodges stones*

:D
 
I read that on NYC.gov in the boroughs section under SoHo...

Gotta love regional sterotypes, supposidly I'm a tree hugging hippy pothead from BC...Let it be, let it be...Maybe I should hang out with Gundy.
 
Hell, I'm from North Carolina--Redneck, USA, anyone? :rolleyes: All we do down here is play the banjo and chew tobacco, not to mention that none of us are the slightest bit intelligent. ;) I can only hope that I'll be barefoot and pregnant soon! :lol:

(Nothing wrong with a banjo though, my Grandfather could play one very well. :D)

Anyway, it would be nice if they'd have some flashbacks so that we can get a better idea of exactly what kind of lab Lindsay came from--that way, we wouldn't have to speculate as to how 'small' the smaller lab was. ;) Maybe they could have a case that reminds her of something from Montana, and she keeps thinking back, or maybe she ends up in the hospital (not because I want to see her hurt, but just because I can't think of any other way) and is 'dreaming' while she's sick or whatever and we can see her memories...Then again, she could just be dreaming. That would actually be a cool way to start a show--have it look like a normal lead-in and then, when it gets to the murder or whatever, Lindsay wakes up suddenly...*nods* I rather like the idea myself. ;) :p

Edited to add: Ooh! That gives me an idea for the "What cases would you like to see" thread... :D
 
Faylinn said:

We always laugh and throw stones at outsiders, but only after we get our strength up by eating our young.
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:eek: Ah, I s-see...Have you eaten lately, JDonne? :p :lol:
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I actually haven’t eaten lately, I'll be living in Washington DC until May, and they frown on eating their young. Instead they eat the elderly, what with the Social Security problems and it all it just makes for good government, but I can't get into that, the meat is a little to dry and stringy for my taste. It's hard to forget the fat succulence of NY cuisine. :D

I think it's HOW-ston.
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Really? That's silly...:rolleyes: Silly New Yorkers. ;) (But don't tell them I said that, especially if they've just eaten some of their young. :p)

*dodges stones*

:D
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It's Hyoo - sten, which is what you had originally Faylinn. ;) The u is long like in music and unicorn.

Ali
 
It's Hyoo - sten, which is what you had originally Faylinn.
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*wipes forehead* Whew! I guess they won't be throwing stones at me after all. ;)

I actually haven’t eaten lately, I'll be living in Washington DC until May, and they frown on eating their young. Instead they eat the elderly, what with the Social Security problems and it all it just makes for good government, but I can't get into that, the meat is a little to dry and stringy for my taste. It's hard to forget the fat succulence of NY cuisine.
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Oh, er...can I offer you a nice meaty steak?...*runs off to hide little sister* :lol:
 
Lindsay defenitely blended in too easy.
I was hoping for some tiny arguments, but apart from some Danny teasing, that's all there was.
 
I think she's doing okay, moving to NY. I mea, it's a big thing, moving from a small place to a large place, but you get used to it, and the big place just seems so small.
 
I'm kinda in the same boat as alot of people. I went from growing up on a ranch - small town, everybody knows everybodys names and business, to Los Angeles - big city, tons to do, absolute madness, and so, it took me a while to adjust, in fact, even now, a year later, I'm still trying to adjust. I really wish they would have shown Lindsay trying to deal with the hardships of being away from whats familiar to you - what makes you feel safe, thats what always gets to me is that I cant go home and be around the firends I grew up with for 19 years, I remember an interview with Anna that I read and she said something about how she figured some of the hardest adjustments for Lindsay would be finding an apartment, making friends, etc. Something along those lines. Hopefully this next season they will explore that a little bit, even small talks with Stella (someone mentioned that already) would be nice to see.
 
Yeah, it's not too late for them to acknowledge some of the difficulties Lindsay had adjusting to life in NY. I hope they spend more time on that this coming season. Lindsay might have gotten a decent amount of screentime in season 2, but they also sort of neglected her in some ways. I'm hoping that they correct this in season 3.

It's strange to see how I felt in February compared to how I feel now. I guess I began to dislike the character more as the season ended, when the character became very inconsistent and it seemed like we only saw her with Danny and never standing on her own (and no, not because I'm against D/L, which I think people just assume--I can dislike what it did to the characters independent of shipping. If you'll notice, I made comments about not liking the concentration on the 'chemistry' in February, before I even became interested in shipping). I hope the writers can turn me back around this season, because let's face it: it's a lot more enjoyable to watch a show when you like the characters than when you dislike one of them. Lindsay definitely has the potential to be a dynamic and interesting character, but the writers need to make some specific changes for that to happen.

And I'd like to quote this earlier comment that I made all those months ago, because it's still how I feel about the character:
...I agree that they should've shown the differences between Montana and NYC more, but not just by having her feel like she's the little fish in the big pond. I'd love for her to come up with ideas and answers that the rest of the team don't think of because she's dealt with different cases and a different sort of environment--I want to see that yes, she can be at a disadvantage sometimes, but also that she herself is a definite advantage to the NY team.
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^I wonder if what Anthony said in his interview will actually play out this season... about the mistakes they made last season introducing both Lindsey and Hawkes in the field at the same time.

I for one think that they did what they had to do when Vanessa left, but I also think that slighted both Lindsay and Hawkes. I think they both coulda used some more screen time. Hopefully, they actually *learned* from their mistakes and give us some background/development on both characters this season.

I liked Lindsey better in the beginning, before they tried to make her all angsty. I don't like Lindsey as the one with the attitude... she's better at more lighthearted fun scenes, IMO. And I think they could put some more fun scenes in about her adjusting to the city to bring out that side of her more.
 
I for one am hoping that Lindsay will be in the background a little more this season and that Hawkes will have more screentime. He deserves it.

I for one think that they did what they had to do when Vanessa left, but I also think that slighted both Lindsay and Hawkes. I think they both coulda used some more screen time.
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Accorind to Hill's interview, Hawkes was already scheduled to go into the field before they knew Vanessa was leaving. He had plenty of screen time last season in "Summer in the City" and "Grand Murder at Central Station", before Lindsay arrived.

I just don't understand how both Lindsay and Hawkes could have been slighted. Ever since "Zoo York", Hawkes was pushed into the background for more Lindsay time. I will agree that Hawkes could have used more screentime but IMO, Lindsay had too much. They should have cut back some of her screentime and balanced it out with Hawkes. Also, it didn't help that they pushed Danny and Lindsay together in every episode toward the end of the season whether they were working the same case or not. I think that other aspects of the show suffered because of it.
 
I actually don't think Lindsey has adjusted to NY. Or even fit in/blended in with the rest of the team. She's still the odd one out, IMO.
 
Faylinn said:
It's strange to see how I felt in February compared to how I feel now. I guess I began to dislike the character more as the season ended, when the character became very inconsistent and it seemed like we only saw her with Danny and never standing on her own (and no, not because I'm against D/L, which I think people just assume--I can dislike what it did to the characters independent of shipping. If you'll notice, I made comments about not liking the concentration on the 'chemistry' in February, before I even became interested in shipping). I hope the writers can turn me back around this season, because let's face it: it's a lot more enjoyable to watch a show when you like the characters than when you dislike one of them. Lindsay definitely has the potential to be a dynamic and interesting character, but the writers need to make some specific changes for that to happen.
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Amen! THat's how I feel as well. I wanted to like the character, I really did. I didn't like her initially, but then I warmed to her mid-season, when she seemed kind of quirky and clever. And then came the angst and the posturing towards the end of the season, and I just couldn't stand her.

I'm hoping that improves this season, but I'm torn about the upcoming story lines. On one hand, what they've got coming up for Lindsay sounds great in theory. But I've seen Anna Belknap try to do angst, and she just can't. She comes across and shrill and wooden. So unless she's gotten more comfortable with the character over the hiatus, I'm still skeptical.

I guess with regard to this topic, the question that's more pertinent now is probably "Has Lindsay been effectively integreated into the CSI team?" I guess I'd say sort of, but the only characters she seems to have any real bond with are Mac and Danny. She's worked with the others very little, and hasn't that I've seen really connected with them personally. It would probably be helpful if they did sweep the romantic stuff to the side for a while in favor of actually developing her character and her relationship with all the members of the team, not just Danny.
 
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