Re: Horatio & Yelina #6 - A Sense of Belonging - So Say We A
I used that just as an example of something in the evidence box, not literally.
My point would still stand. They'd already show a close up of most everything else in the box so it would have been repetitive. I'm not saying the ring was arbitrarily chosen; it wasn't. It was really the most personal thing in the box that belonged to Ray's and carried an impact that things like the final report, the bullets, and the badge wouldn't carry.
Hence, I was thinking of Horatio's thoughts as he was looking at the ring and the significance of it.
I understand. And I too was thinking of that moment. Our opinions are obviously different, but we're still talking about the same scene - the same image.
As it is a private thought in a quiet moment, I don't see it as inappropriate. The example about the scene in 'Innocent' (with the porn star) I didn't feel was quite relevant as the people crowding around the girl's body were doing it publicly and disrespectfully, and drawing attention to the scene. H was alone with his thoughts at the end of Big Brother.
That's true... So a more appropriate comparison would be this, perhaps. Horatio looking at his brother's wedding ring and wishing that he had made his move with Yelina in the past (or determining to do it in the future) is about as appropriate, to me, as thinking about sex in a church. Yes, it is a thought, but thoughts are things, and they have tremendous power, whether shared or not.
I'm not saying it's entirely inappropriate for Horatio to EVER think those things. Just in this context. Because this isn't Horatio at home or in his Hummer. He's standing in front of the final remains of his brother.
I don't believe it's possible for H to compartmentalize his feelings such that he can think about Raymond and NOT have Yelina right up there as well.
I never said anything of the sort. All I said was that if Yelina came up, it was in the context of being Ray's wife. A context, which throughout the series, Horatio has always understood and believed in. Horatio is clearly unable to separate Yelina and Ray. That is, quite frankly, the main problem with the whole H/Y relationship.
What Horatio is excellent at is repressing his own thoughts and feelings. I find it both odd (and as already stated inappropriate) that he is able to finally accept and acknowledge his feelings for Yelina while standing in front of his brother's case file. If he were really truly ready to do that, then why did he sort of move out of the way when Yelina went to kiss him? Why wouldn't he make subsequent moves towards asking Yelina out in the following episodes? Yes, Madison becomes an issue, but there are still a few episodes before that happens.
Again, I'm not saying that Horatio has no right to think the suggested way at
any time. Nor am I offering an interpretation to something other than the moment he holds the wedding ring in his hand. I am only saying that I don't believe he is thinking that way in that particular moment because it is both out of character and not kosher. Regardless of what Ray did, Ray is family, and the focus should be on that -- not how he "got" Yelina and how Horatio suffered because of it.
As to making it believable, it always has been with H/Y, mainly due to the fact that DC and SM play it out so well. Tptb should play on their strengths and make them play out their feelings more cos they carry it off so well. I'm sure they'd win more H/Y supporters that way.
I preferrred s1-3, like Pusher said, the episodes were more case-related with hints of character development. Hopefully with Y back, there'll be less action-H and we'll see his softer side more again.
I totally agree with that. In addition to the episodes being more case-oriented, the show wasn't so focused on being over the top. I feel like the problem with seasons four and five is that the show is so stylized that it lacks in substance. Character-oriented episodes wouldn't be so bad if they were crafted carefully and made sense in relation to the character - rather than just a way to attract viewers.
Love the pics, by the way.
