This "I hate" such and such trend has to stop or it's going to degenerate into trolls just badmouthing first characters then actors.
Not a nice thing at all...
Not liking a certain character is "not nice"? Nobody is using the word "hate" in the Horatio dislike thread. Also, bashing David Caruso is strictly prohibited, and so far nobody seems to have a problem following that rule. Actor bashing is against forum rules.
Check any reliable, objective poll that asks who is the most popular character on CSI Miami and Horatio wins hands down every time. Second place is usually Calleigh ... and it's a distant second.
We understand that Horatio is a popular character. That doesn't mean that that everyone likes him, or that everyone likes every aspect of his character. Eric Delko is a popular character. If he wasn't, there's a good chance that he wouldn't be returning full-time to Season 9. But his popularity doesn't mean that nobody has the right to dislike him, or that the E/C dislike thread shouldn't exist.
The fact that they dislike Horatio and like E/C tells me that we have absolutely nothing in common and very different ideas of what is good about the show.
The Dislike Horatio thread has nothing to do with E/C. Are some of us E/C supporters? Sure. But E/C is not relevant to the thread.
It's difficult to equate E/C dislike thread, which addresses a story arc (the antithesis of the shipper threads), and blatant character-bashing.
:wtf: Have you and I been reading the same dislike E/C thread (yes, I'm an E/C shipper, but I still like to read other opinions, but I don't feel the need to post there, as it's not my niche)? Many people have complained about Eric and Calleigh as individual characters there. Let me refresh your memory with a quote from that thread to demonstrate:
As far as I'm concerned, the real Calleigh died in that Hummer in "Going Under" (S5) and what we've been subjected to for the last few seasons is an evil twin.
Now, take a look at this quote from the dislike Horatio Caine thread:
He began to irritate me during the 3rd season and by the 4th I couldn't stand him anymore.
How are they all that different? Both are valid opinions that can be summarized as "this character became less appealing to me after such and such episode/season". Does that honestly equate to "character bashing"?
If the "dislike E/C" thread is the antithesis of the E/C shipper thread, then the "dislike Horatio Caine" thread could be the antithesis of this thread (just without any information about David Caruso. The first post in the "dislike Horatio" thread
explicitly states that the thread is for discussing the negative qualities of Horatio Caine the character- NOT David Caruso, the actor who plays him. So far, everyone has had no problem abiding by that rule. Look for yourself if you don't believe me.)
The quote from the E/C dislike thread is just one of many that criticizes one or both of the
characters themselves, not just the story arc. Take a look:
But seriously, E/C should GET THE ... OUT! I'm so sick of them, especially Calleigh! She thinks she's better than everyone else and she speaks with that fake british accent! And Eric has no sense of fashion and he has a head shaped like an egg. He doesn't bother me that much though, he can't help that he looks like a 60's wallpaper with an egg on top of it.
I never liked Eric Delko as a character, I always thought he was some kind of disgusting womanizer
Yes, I too loved the old Calleigh and the old Delko. Both were smart, talented, and multidimensional characters. Both were very professional and could do a lot of things.
Why TPTB decided that Delko had to start hating on Ryan back in S3-4 is beyond me. All it did was make Delko look like a jerk - a role he hasn't really relinquished as far as I'm concerned.
It's clear that the E/C dislike thread is not
just about the romance, but about the characters too. It's not really that different at all from the Dislike Horatio Caine thread.
Given the thread has been allowed to stand, can we now expect to see hate threads for Calleigh, Eric, Ryan, Natalia, Frank, Jesse, Walter, Tom, et al?
You might want to be careful with the word "hate". As I recall, posters in the E/C dislike thread did not appreciate being called "haters". I don't appreciate the implication that I "hate" Horatio Caine. I don't. I just happen to dislike some aspects of his character.
I don't understand why having a "dislike Horatio Caine" thread is such a problem. Many of us, maybe not a majority, but many of us have legitimate quips about the character, and would like to have a place to voice these opinions. I don't see it as any different than posters who dislike E/C having that thread to express themselves on. Really, we all should be thankful that thread began. The dislike E/C thread opened the door for people who were fed up with
other aspects of the show to create threads about their concerns as well without fear that it would be against the forum rules.
Maybe a better solution is to have one "Dislike/Debate a Character" thread in this section of the forum, as there is a "Dislike/Debate a Ship" thread in the Shipper Central section. However, it doesn't seem needed, as there are only two "dislike" threads in the CSI:Miami section. If more keep cropping up, maybe it'd be a better idea, but for now, I don't see why either should be deleted.
Has Talk CSI really sunk to this level?
What level? The level at which people feel free to express their honest opinions, even when they're not favorable? Nobody is bashing David Caruso, claims are being supported with evidence, and no mod warnings have been issued.
I won't post at this thread anymore about the Dislike Horatio thread. I just wanted to respond to some of the concerns people had about it, and replying in this thread ensured me that the responses would be more likely to be read. I'll be leaving now.
