"Death And The Maiden" Discussion *SPOILERS*

[byline]

Some interesting posts and interpretations.
This episode had mixed results from me. I give it a solid A for character lines and especially the Greg scenes, and Doc's clapper; but as some mentioned above, I also felt the story itself was weak. The twist at the end where the stripper did it felt very contrived; I know it was just a re-enactment, but why in the world would someone rush towards a crazed woman with a gun? I would have turned and run fast; but maybe that's just me. And the brother's weird obsession with his sister's virginity? Also difficult to swallow. He was worried about his sister being hurt (because of the torn shirt), and yet he hits her?
I thought it dealt in a sensitive way with male rape. I won't pretend to know anything about it, but the reasoning leading up to it was strange and the rape itself seemed an extreme form of vengence here, especially considering that the boyfriend seemed like a pretty nice guy. Lots of weird reactions by the guest characters in this episode, so I felt kind of a disconnect, since much of it didn't make sense to me.

That's because you're viewing it as the brother loving his sister. He didn't. She nailed it when she said he treated her like a possession. He was a pathological bully, and he didn't care for her one little bit. What he cared about was what he saw as another male intruding on his territory. When he saw her torn shirt, he went ballistic over someone not only taking his sister's "honor" but doing so, he assumed, in a manner more befitting his own methods. Ray addressed that with the "humiliation" angle used by Greek warriors. That's what it was all about with this guy; he attacked anyone he saw as weaker than him and humiliated them, because for him, power over others was the only thing that seemed to gratify him. The fact that his sister's boyfriend was a nice, easygoing guy made him that much more of a target for this guy.

And yes, is his obsession with his sister was scary. Hmmm . . . wonder how their parents died?

The bully angle is why I completely believed him running at his girlfriend holding the gun. He didn't believe she would actually shoot him. He figured he had her cowed, but of course he figured wrong. I actually sort of cheered for her when she shot him. It didn't work out so well for her in the end, but at least she protected herself. I actually think her self-defense argument might carry some weight in court.

 

[Dizzney]

Camille Guaty was born in 1978 making her 31. No idea when her character, April, was born. But that should give a rough estimate.

This actress was also on the last season of the show Las Vegas and I actually liked her on that show. I just think the way they have written her character has come off badly from the start.

 

[jafox]

Some interesting posts and interpretations.
This episode had mixed results from me. I give it a solid A for character lines and especially the Greg scenes, and Doc's clapper; but as some mentioned above, I also felt the story itself was weak. The twist at the end where the stripper did it felt very contrived; I know it was just a re-enactment, but why in the world would someone rush towards a crazed woman with a gun? I would have turned and run fast; but maybe that's just me. And the brother's weird obsession with his sister's virginity? Also difficult to swallow. He was worried about his sister being hurt (because of the torn shirt), and yet he hits her?
I thought it dealt in a sensitive way with male rape. I won't pretend to know anything about it, but the reasoning leading up to it was strange and the rape itself seemed an extreme form of vengence here, especially considering that the boyfriend seemed like a pretty nice guy. Lots of weird reactions by the guest characters in this episode, so I felt kind of a disconnect, since much of it didn't make sense to me.

That's because you're viewing it as the brother loving his sister. He didn't. She nailed it when she said he treated her like a possession. He was a pathological bully, and he didn't care for her one little bit. What he cared about was what he saw as another male intruding on his territory. When he saw her torn shirt, he went ballistic over someone not only taking his sister's "honor" but doing so, he assumed, in a manner more befitting his own methods. Ray addressed that with the "humiliation" angle used by Greek warriors. That's what it was all about with this guy; he attacked anyone he saw as weaker than him and humiliated them, because for him, power over others was the only thing that seemed to gratify him. The fact that his sister's boyfriend was a nice, easygoing guy made him that much more of a target for this guy.

And yes, is his obsession with his sister was scary. Hmmm . . . wonder how their parents died?

The bully angle is why I completely believed him running at his girlfriend holding the gun. He didn't believe she would actually shoot him. He figured he had her cowed, but of course he figured wrong. I actually sort of cheered for her when she shot him. It didn't work out so well for her in the end, but at least she protected herself. I actually think her self-defense argument might carry some weight in court.

Thanks for the explanation.
I understood the 'possession vs. love' angle to the brother/sister relationship; it was the obsession with her that seemed so bizarre. And since that is what lead to the rape, that storyline felt a little forced to me.
I totally missed Ray's explanation of the 'humiliation' angle and the Greek warriors; I must have zoned out a bit. lol

 

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Thanks for the explanation.
I understood the 'possession vs. love' angle to the brother/sister relationship; it was the obsession with her that seemed so bizarre. And since that is what lead to the rape, that storyline felt a little forced to me.
I totally missed Ray's explanation of the 'humiliation' angle and the Greek warriors; I must have zoned out a bit. lol

Well, a guy who is willing to rape his sister's boyfriend to "ruin" her for him isn't exactly the most well-adusted person in the world. Clearly he was an abuser, at multiple levels, and we got to see them all. It's not so farfetched to me, considering it from that angle.

 

[Smokey]

Scheduled to repeat this Thursday, 6/17.

 

[ladyhunter]

Dang it. I'll be gone. Daughter's ballet rehearsal.

 

[myfuturecsi]

Finally, got to watch this episode in full. It was pretty good and took a very difficult subject matter.

The social worker was cute, but I'm a Mandy/Nick shipper, so I want no one for him but Mandy..LOL:lol:

 

[electra]

I just want Nick to have a girlfriend or a mention that he is dating.But April was kind of rude with him.I have seen the actress in other shows and she can be sweet so maybe they should give her another chance.