Re: CSI: NY Season 6 Spoiler Discussion - Solving Crime in the Empire
i agree, i think a 3-ep arc is a reasonable amount of judgement time for new characters, but like you said about the haylen thing, it would only really work if they were brought in for something specific (like dunbrook was for those particular cases, ditto gillian) and then if they prove a good choice, maybe consider bringing them back. haylen didn't even get that much! don't get me wrong, i'm not a haylen cheerleader, i thought she was ok but didn't love her, i just thought it was kind of sad to make that kind of decision based on a combined airtime of about 5 minutes.
...erm, very sorry to do this... but Sarah Carter was indeed in precisely 3 episodes
. I had thought it was around that number, which is partly why I'd included her, but was prompted to check imdb to see:
"
# "CSI: NY" .... Haylen Becall (3 episodes, 2009)
- Dead Reckoning (2009) TV episode .... Haylen Becall
- Lat 40° 47' N/Long 73° 58' W (2009) TV episode .... Haylen Becall
- Epilogue (2009) TV episode .... Haylen Becall "
You could well be right about five minutes tho :lol:. She certainly didn't feature too much within any of them. Overall she had no particular position beyond being a gifted, nay, overqualified ubergraduate, to be trained by the master of forensic fu. At least Gillian came in as the new Deputy Inspector and therefore in a potential position to butt heads with Mac while having more than enough authority to have made it more interesting, had a storyline via a case that resonated with her with yet another human trafficking ring, and of course then also hadda cuppa coffee with Mac. Haylen
was to have had a Dark Sekrit of her own. Which, in the end, may only have been her former identity, Kaye Sullivan
.
Haylen's main issue and problem to solve was getting into the labs in the first place. Once she did, her problem was staying awake because she was apparently still working as a clean-up tech while doing ambiguous things part time in the lab. The only other person who benefited for material and her implied impact was Adam. She wasn't being used to look at goings on from the outside in. She was in. There she was. Doing what. Rearranging test-tube feng shui. Looking at leftovers. Riveting stuff.
I caught part of the re-run in the background tonight, and I gotta say Haylen didn't come off much better to me the second time around :lol:.
While the show didn't manage to find her a niche in three episodes, they did, within the first five minutes, have her solve some of the city's outsdanding fiscal issues via her grant :lol:. Not just booksmart, she exuded a certain saavy and attitude, and had answers to everything including the budget crisis that had Dunbrook buying the police, Sinclair and Mac shouting at each other, Mac and Stella fighting, equipment orders put on hold, and Adam fearing for his job, but Haylen had it sussed. What do ya do with a character who knows it all. Ya put them where they don't know so much. She never was. They coulda set up the possibility of an *ohcrap this is bigger than I thought it was gonna be* warble for her upon getting into the labs or on a case.
All in all, her contribution to the show that I personally like the most was "curvature of lettuce." For some reason that's just gonna stick with me... :lol:
.
[To compare impact vs. time, other characters who had short stints:
Gerrard (6), Sinclair (6), Rikki (4), Quinn (2), Sam Flack (2), Shane Casey (2 until this season), Terence (4).
Hell, team-wise, even Kendall had 4, Pino had 4, Maka and Zao had 4. Seems rather common and not so innovative now :lol:.]
i wonder if aubrey will hang around - i'm guessing this alleged triangle story may put paid to that, or as has been suggested if her pilot works out maybe she'll continue to season 7 but only as a cameo or something - i guess we just wait and see. i just hope they don't panic at certain reactions to her and drop her like a stone without giving her a chance.
I think Aubrey is very deliberate, and not likely to be just "dropped." I think she's there with a specific purpose within the show. She has a framework, and apparently a timeline of involvement. She doesn't feel haphazard.
Aubrey was a change and a choice we saw Mac make spur of the moment, she was deliberately introduced two thirds into the season, behind a (likely somewhat misleading) nugget/spoiler about a conflict within a relationship with Mac that hadn't even started yet. Feels like a deliberate, contained purpose. Who knows if it is, or whether it was ever intended to continue on, and if the possibility of
Pleading Guilty getting picked up throws a wrench in extended plans. Somehow I think the former.
I'm still not keen on a Triangle situation happening :lol:. I think that's a spoiler I coulda done without. Too late now. Dammit.
The fall-out, as
Jade put it, of seeing Mac tossed under more angst and inner turmoil, especially after the upbeat introduction of 39/40, could mean he's essentially back to square one again. Could be one of the things for his character next season to deal with. Mind you. He didn't seem too torn up in S4 after
that letter. So who knows. Ya just hope it's decently written stuff and not drek. There's more than enough of that. It's just annoying to feel that the other shoe that's gonna drop probably stepped in something nasty first
.
New spoiler from
Fancast:
And then there is this: Moran Atias (’Crash’), who guest-stars as the titular Marina, tells me the episode is “one of the most exciting TV episodes I’ve ever read. There’s an action sequence of a large-screen scale, high emotions, and great suspense. I can’t wait to see it.” Atias adds that Melina is “an extremely generous actress,” and paired with director Allison Liddi-Brown, the experience was “truly about women helping women, which probably breaks the cliché of the opposite.”
Could be interesting. Bodes well when those involved are excited about the project and moreover how it's turned out. Does also somehow feel like they're building up the scale and intensity of things a bit as the season winds its way out. Looking forward to a good run of episodes without a stutter-stop airing. Worth the wait now if that's what it will get us.
Not certain what the new twist is gonna be with Stella, sounds like she's back to solo, headstrong ways, that somehow put her in mortal peril again. But it sounds like the connection is the key thing, and so hopefully that's well done and sets the tone. Compassionate but Fiesty Stella could be a fun hour. Soon, Sheldon in prison. And a softer Flack with the kid. All enticing. Mixing things up again is good. Hopefully all worth the wait.
.
Thanks for a ray of hope
Elwood!
although my logical, objective brain is still insisting on telling me that her character will exit exit.
. No worries. Just playing devil's advocate on the positive side for a change :lol:. Do tend to agree. But. Her intro was well written. Mebbe they'll save all the sudsy angst for DL's part in teh finale, and spare us with the rest. Ya never know
.
Not gonna mull too seriously about S7 or possibilities for the series ending just yet. Gonna try to enjoy the rest of this season first.
I think they didn't give Haylen the best introduction -- and if they were initially planning to add her as a regular, that's what they should've worked hard at: making her realistic -- but I also think they should've stuck it out. And I'm saying this as someone who wasn't looking forward to her showing up :lol:, but as Mary Sue as she was, I thought she had some potential. A lot of the factors affecting her reception were ones that affect any new character who comes into an established team fairly late into the series, and (depending on the viewer) is seen as replacing another character.
I think Haylen needed a more specific context. Once she got into the labs all that earlier aggressive ambition waned. Adam was used to augment her presence, he gave her more of an impact than what her time onscreen managed to. Additionally, with the rotation of Adam, Sid, and Lindsay, being yet one more part-time ambiguous team-member within a floating roster didn't do her much good.
Sarah Carter's on-set tour/interview thing with AJ was probably as entertaining, or more entertaining than her time in character. That was a step back to outside looking in, to someone coming in and laughing at the things to learn and take in. Wish more of that juice or energy had come across in show.
Much as I like Jesse on Miami, he's still not being received very warmly in general; and it's not only been almost a year, but he's had a fair number of storylines as well. Riley on CSI had a fairly cold reception too, and she was fleshed out about a hundred times better than Haylen was...plus had been fairly integrated into the Vegas team. Not to mention Tara Price, Miami again. So I don't know how exactly a new character overcomes those kinds of obstacles, but I think TPTB should've been expecting that sort of reception with Haylen, and either prepared for it, or stuck it out when things weren't going well.
Not being part of the Larger Fandom of Shades, I cannot speak to how well characters have been warmed to
. I've seen two miami episodes this season, the first one, and the trilogy. I liked Jesse, I like Walter. Was my impression that Walter in particular has been warmed to? Can I ask here as well then about Ryan. He came in after Speed's death, didn't he? Was there a backlash against him? How long did it take him to settle in? I would guess he's among the favourites now?
My point was that within the two miami episodes I saw, unconnected ones even, Jesse and Walter were, to me, somehow layered characters. I didn't see that accomplished as well with Haylen. Same amount of time, somehow less successfully done. First impressions still resonate. I gave Haylen a shot too, but didn't feel it was an easy fit. Sometimes you can wait too long to see how something's gonna work.
I guess part of that's just ensemble chemistry and the roster the show wants to create and write within. Dunno.
NY had quite the rollover of detectives and cops in Scagnetti and Hillborne, and Maka before Angell seemed to find her place, we also had Chad and Zao and Pino, Jane, Kendall, Giles and Zach, before Sid and Adam found their fit. I guess Haylen gets added to the list of roll over characters.
What might have come of her had she continued on? Dunno. But I wasn't as interested in finding out. I agree that her intro needed to be stronger or more specific. Not certain "sticking it out" would suddenly found a way for her to fit. Not certain they knew how to achieve the possibilities they saw with the character.
I saw possibilities in the character. I thought the idea was a good one for the show to shake it up. It just didn't seem to work out that way. After the first two episodes with her, I wasn't averse, but as I said, her only conflict was with Adam, and even that wore thin rather quickly as a gimmick. The show didn't do much substantial with it. It was a running gag, not a tribute to her character. Nor did they really do much to capitalize on using her as a textbook-brilliant newbie/non-veteran/non-cop/outside lens looking in to a now familiar forensics based hosting scenario. Would have taken a more substantial allotment of time to do that. Guess they were focusing on other things, like the stories they'd developed for the main roster first. The FBI application was an easy, functional way out, and returned her ambition to her upon her exit at least.
Aubrey, in contrast, has been received well, in general -- you'd think they'd keep her, with the work half-done for them :lol: I don't think she was ever supposed to be sticking around for long, but all the same, it's entirely likely her relationship with Mac will last.
I'd hope they'd keep her, at least for a little bit :lol:. Ya hate to see what ya think actually works dissipate too quickly (while seeing what ya think doesn't linger extensively
). One episode in and I'm already curious. Interesting here too, I suppose it's the writing and characterization, and the performance of it, but again, in less screentime than Haylen had, there is something about Aubrey, even as a character from outside the labs, that is intriguing, somehow easy to warm to, and makes me curious to see more of her interactions with Mac and also to see how they're going to integrate that in the upcoming plots/storylines. Even knowing the spoiler, and that her involvement in the show is likely to be limited, that too is interesting just to see what they can do within that time.
So you think her relationship with Mac will be implied as continuing on? That's interesting. Can I ask your take on it then?
As to the show ending, I can't picture that now :lol: The franchise in general still gains a lot of viewers; I'd always just assumed that NY would have at least as many seasons as Vegas does now.
In a way I hope it does. It's like each series has a lull, and then somehow finds a way to pick it up again. The little of Vegas that I've seen this year continues to impress me, or I have fantastic timing for tuning in to only the most solid episodes. Seems to be having a decent season, on the upswing again. Miami I can't speak to. It would be great if NY could find it's way around to it's Golden Season, so to speak.
I don't own the spoilers or anything, but a link to TalkCSI would be nice, especially since the videos I've seen copy-and-paste the spoilers exactly as I write them...
Seriously Not Kosher. Not only bloody lazy but coasting and taking credit. A link in the info section on the vid's page (as opposed to the "about me" bit) at the very least would be an acknowledgement of sorts.
Like
Jade said about Aubrey, not exactly unexpected but kind of a let down. It feels like they write these characters in and out on such whims all the time that they end up being about as important to the plot as the lab equipment: necessary yes, but only so the actors aren't miming around the set.
Well, I'm still hoping Aubrey fares better than being upstaged by Edna or the mass spectrometer :lol:. As much as I'm not looking forward to a triangle, at least that indicates she is there for a second-tier plot point. Would be nice to have
some characters stick around. Guess I can't complain too much as Reed came back.
Still. With the ongoing rotation of Adam, Sid and Lindsay, it often feels like it's not just the recurring characters who seem to be coming and going on a whim.
