CSI: NY Season 4 Spoilers! Discussion in the Big Apple

[melanie33]

It seems CSI NY cast list is based on order of appearance. I would then presume that Riki doesn't appear at the start of the episode. That sort of rules her out at being at the game with Danny.

And as far as D/L go. In this past episode Lindsay didn't seem really interested in speaking to Danny. In this next one they have a moment, presumably not a good one. This is also the episode where its discovered Mac cheated on his wife. Is there a connection between Mac's situation and D/L. I think so. I cant see any other reason for the show to tell us this information about Mac. Does anyone know the episode D and L are supposed to be arguing about Riki? 18 or 19? I'm trying to understand what happens in between to make sense of the whole basketball thing.

And in regards to Danny and Riki connecting emotionally. I think that was part of what Riki's speech was about. I think the was basically saying, that was the only thing they connected about.

 

[Dims]

As for the theory that a relationship between Danny and Rikki can't possibly happen and continue simply because she's not a regular character, heh ... in seasons one and two, all Danny had to do to make him having a girlfriend canon was to mention them. They never, ever had to appear on screen for it to be canon so what is so different about Danny just mentioning Rikki now and then?

Well then by all means...please let them have a relationship....if its gonna be canon simply by mentioning her name once or twice a year i definitely have no problem with that.....

Does anyone know the episode D and L are supposed to be arguing about Riki? 18 or 19? I'm trying to understand what happens in between to make sense of the whole basketball thing.

believe me i tried to analyze the whole thing to pieces and it really doesnt make any sense....i just find it difficult to believe Linds is all okay with him...and many say that this game is after we believe she might learn about Danny and Rikki...so the whole game thing is very surreal in the context of the more general situation between them. Maybe things will hve been changed or edited or i dont know....but sth is missing definitely from what we know....

and also the Danny/Rikki thing that is starting afresh? that is before the game isnt it?so maybe they decide to get together and she appears to game ep as his girlfriend or sth....

but then Kristin said we DL fans wont be disapointed and commented that there might be chance for true love afterall.....so im sort of wondering...hopefully by next ep things will be clear!

 

[Gaelen]

I cant see any other reason for the show to tell us this information about Mac. Does anyone know the episode D and L are supposed to be arguing about Riki?

Well the person (sorry, I can't remember who) said the cast was filming at their school. And since the only "school" site I can't think of appears in Admissions, I would say 418.

But then...the same person said Danny and Rikki were starting fresh, and we've found out she's not appearing in 418, but in 419 - so I'm officially confused. Unless, in 418 Danny tells Linds that he and Rikki are just friends, and that in 419 she tells him she's moving away?

Personally, I hope she does move away - not because I don't like her, but it's unhealthy to be so close to bad memories when she's still grieving. Going away for a while would help with that process. Well, that's what I think anyway.

It seems CSI NY cast list is based on order of appearance. I would then presume that Riki doesn't appear at the start of the episode. That sort of rules her out at being at the game with Danny.

Either her appearance is near the end of the episode, or it's a very small part - or both. *shrugs* Personally, I don't think it'd be a small part because she's important to the current arc - if it was small, I don't think they would have needed her to return in the first place.

 

[LpoHeartsNick]

Maybe when they say "Danny and Rikki start fresh" they mean that Rikki, moves away and starts fresh and Danny moves on with Lindsay.
Just cos they start fresh doesnt mean they start fresh together.

 

[Kimmychu]

Dims said:
Well then by all means...please let them have a relationship....if its gonna be canon simply by mentioning her name once or twice a year i definitely have no problem with that.....

If Danny/Rikki goes canon, well, I definitely have no problem with it either.

Gaelen said:
But then...the same person said Danny and Rikki were starting fresh, and we've found out she's not appearing in 418, but in 419 - so I'm officially confused. Unless, in 418 Danny tells Linds that he and Rikki are just friends, and that in 419 she tells him she's moving away?

Nope, both Danny and Rikki starting freshly spoiler is for episode 19. According to csifan who posted the spoilers, there will be tension between Danny and Lindsay about Rikki in episode 18. Then in episode 20, the spoiler for it is that Lindsay is pining for Danny's nickname for her, confirmed by Kristin from E!Online.

As for Rikki appearing just to tell Danny she's moving away, that's a predictable and terribly overused plot device, even in soap operas. I won't be surprised if that's what happens but I will be disappointed in that I hope TPTB comes up with something different that will surprise everyone. Moreover, if Danny being with Rikki does turn out to be nothing more than plot device, I will also be disappointed because one, it'd cheapen the whole Ruben story plot and two, TPTB could have employed a much better storyline to bring Danny and Lindsay together than drag Rikki into things. Like, ya know, show Danny and Lindsay to be mature adults instead of juvenile teenagers, for once?

But anyways, we'll find out more this week.

By the way, that spoiler about Mac? I really, really hope it doesn't come to pass because it reflects so badly on his character. All we know about Claire's relationship with him before she died was that he loved her very, very much and now, all of a sudden, we find out he cheated on her in the past? With Quinn? Who once fought with him for his job? Not funny, TPTB.

 

[Ghawazee]

This is also the episode where its discovered Mac cheated on his wife. Is there a connection between Mac's situation and D/L.

What?????????????????????????????????? Mac cheated on Claire??????????????????????????????
where does this info come from????????????:wtf:


Debbie

 

[Gaelen]

Nope, both Danny and Rikki starting freshly spoiler is for episode 19. According to csifan who posted the spoilers, there will be tension between Danny and Lindsay about Rikki in episode 18.

Oh, okay -- thanks. I thought it was all for one episode. ::must pay better attention::

As for Rikki appearing just to tell Danny she's moving away, that's a predictable and terribly overused plot device, even in soap operas.

Well, yes it is - but what's new about this arc anyway? The whole thing is a soap opera-ish plotline. But I agree with you, if this was simply a plot device to bring Danny and Lindsay closer together, as much as I love the idea, I'm disappointed that they had to bring Rikki into it. They cheapened the entire Child's Play storyline, and yes - TPTB could have used a much more mature way of bringing DL closer.

But that's what happens when the writers try to be "realistic" - life is a soap opera, can't expect TV to not reflect that can we?

As for the Mac spoiler -- hmm, I'm mixed. I'd like to see more of his FLAWS because he's Super!Mac all the damn time, but likewise, it might be damaging to his character. I wonder if it'll even make the cut. This is all for tomorrow's episode right? The Mac thing , I mean.

All we know about Claire's relationship with him before she died was that he loved her very, very much and now, all of a sudden, we find out he cheated on her in the past?

Maybe that's why he loves her oh so much? Part actual love, part guilt? Who knows. If TPTB use one more storyline that deals with guilt, I think I'm going to faint from overdramatic exposure.

"Who Wants To Be A Millionaire" has better dramatic tension than this.

 

[Lorelai]

Well the person (sorry, I can't remember who) said the cast was filming at their school. And since the only "school" site I can't think of appears in Admissions, I would say 418.

But then...the same person said Danny and Rikki were starting fresh, and we've found out she's not appearing in 418, but in 419 - so I'm officially confused. Unless, in 418 Danny tells Linds that he and Rikki are just friends, and that in 419 she tells him she's moving away?

They shoot 2 episodes at once, for what's left of this season. So, they shoot 418 & 419 as if it was one episode. I'm getting confused too. :wtf:

 

[Gaelen]

^They can't shoot 2 episodes on the same set can they? That's stupid - especially if it's on location and doesn't have anything to do with another episode. :wtf:

Now I don't even know what comes where anymore.

 

[MacsLady]

Mac cheated on Claire? With Quinn?:wtf: I never thought Mac would be the kind of guy to cheat. I guess TPTB are doing it to show he has a 'dark side' as does everyone. But does it have to be cheating on his now deceased wife? With the whole D/L thing going on as well? I don't know how I feel about this, I was really quite upset earlier, but I talked to my dad and he said he thought it was quite an interesting idea, and a good one IHO, and that men do do things like that.
I just don't know how I personally feel about it though.

 

[Kimmychu]

Gaelen said:
Well, yes it is - but what's new about this arc anyway? The whole thing is a soap opera-ish plotline.

Danny having to deal with the death of a child whom he cared about and whom he had been responsible for? I don't think it was soap opera-ish at all. Carmine Giovinazzo certainly knocked it out of the ball park and enjoyed the challenge it presented for Danny. I noticed the soap opera term only popped up here in the spoiler thread after it became canon that Danny and Rikki slept together.

MacsLady said:
Mac cheated on Claire? With Quinn?:wtf:

The spoilers seem to hint at that.

But does it have to be cheating on his now deceased wife? With the whole D/L thing going on as well?

:lol: That's my main problem with it, I guess. If it actually comes to pass, I would have liked it to be in another episode without the D/L drama overshadowing or what not. As it is, people are already assuming it's somehow linked to D/L and it's some indication Danny cheated or something. But yeah, a spoiler is a spoiler until it either airs in the final episode or goes bust. It's happened many times before.

 

[Gaelen]

I noticed the soap opera term only popped up here in the spoiler thread after it became canon that Danny and Rikki slept together.

Really? I've got it in my head ever since the promo first aired. I'm sorry - I come from a culture where all this stuff is severely frowned upon. I wouldn't have minded this whole ordeal if we had prior knowledge of there beeing nothing between Danny and Lindsay in the first place. This is all -- too much drama.

Carmine Giovinazzo certainly knocked it out of the ball park and enjoyed the challenge it presented for Danny.

Oh I definitely agree with that. If I didn't find the situation so...urgh (for lack of a better word) I can definitely say Carmine did a marvelous job -- and this is definitely a new face of Danny we've never seen before.

The spoilers seem to hint at that.

Would the writers really show Mac in such a bad light? On top of the DL drama? Somehow I really doubt it.

As it is, people are already assuming it's somehow linked to D/L and it's some indication Danny cheated or something.

Well Pam Veasey did say they were going to start Season 4 with DL very much an item - does that not make it canon? Blegh, why do I get the feeling that this whole thing is about showing how DL can make it through EVERYTHING together? As much as I love it - the fact that they downplayed Rikki's character makes me slightly annoyed. I'm forced to dislike her on principle (as you might very well understand why) when I don't want to.

 

[PerfectAnomaly]

Well Pam Veasey did say they were going to start Season 4 with DL very much an item - does that not make it canon?

Pam Veasey saying something doesn't automatically make it canon. TPTB can change their minds even after they've said something in the media. We've seen from spoilers that haven't come to pass that they can change their minds after the script has been written. On screen they haven't said/shown that Danny and Lindsay are/were an item and telling/showing the audience they are/were are the only things that will make it canon.

 

[Elsie]

The spoilers seem to hint at that.

Would the writers really show Mac in such a bad light? On top of the DL drama? Somehow I really doubt it.

This is one spoiler I really hope doesn't come to pass. Honestly, I will say that the spoilers do suggest that Mac definitely regrets his actions, but regardless cheating on the dead wife is just a step too far for me. And not something I ever needed to, or will find any joy, in knowing. It also doesn't fit as something I personally think that Mac would do.

 

[PerfectAnomaly]

This is one spoiler I really hope doesn't come to pass. Honestly, I will say that the spoilers do suggest that Mac definitely regrets his actions, but regardless cheating on the dead wife is just a step too far for me. And not something I ever needed to, or will find any joy, in knowing. It also doesn't fit as something I personally think that Mac would do.

I thought the same thing when I heard about the spoiler. I've had a while to think about it, though. Mac has been portrayed since day one as someone with a strict moral code and as someone who was devoted enough to his late wife to keep wearing his wedding ring years after she was killed. Mac has also been portrayed as someone who's strict moral code doesn't always apply to himself, though. And it could be argued that his devotion to Claire was because they made it through Mac's infidelity a stronger couple. It all depends on how they portray it. I do agree, however, that it's too much considering the DL drama. And I think having Mac, the honorable Marine whose wife was killed in the 9/11 terrorist attack, be revealed as having cheated on Claire during their marriage would be too much for a lot of viewers to stomach.