I read somewhere that you're not supposed to publicize if you have a Neilson box.
I would expect that Nielson households are both contacted and expected to operate in confidence.
For those interested, FAQs from
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Aaaahhhhh, thanks for clearing that up!
I wonder if I'll even bother with season 8. if I do, it'll be just to watch Gary and no more. after the dreadful season 6, for me s7 had to be spectacular to pull the show back from the dustbin of my mind. but it wasn't. there were a few great eps, but that's not enough.
Aww, nooOoOo :lol:. I hope ya change yer mind & remain part of the realm. Would be a shame to see you just amble away, kicking cans indifferently as you go
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Agree on S6. I was not surprised to see the show shunted to Fridays after the average standard produced in the last 3 seasons. S7 was definitely a step in the right direction, and as there will (hopefully) be 22 episodes to further turn things around, those 22 chances will be worth it to me to tune in.
Dare I utter that had MK remained with the show, I suspect we really would simply have gotten more of the same that S6 brought us?
It's not that I wanted
anyone to leave, but her departure ensured at least
some sort of change was coming, and
that's when things became interesting for me again. That promise of potential was built on in S7, and why I'll be back for S8.
I entirely agree with these comments, although for me season 4 was where the programme reached its peak and I know I am going to offend Sela Ward fans, but she really does not have the same chemistry with the rest of the cast like Melina did
Well, I do differ in opinion on S4, not the apex for me anyways :lol:. As for SW, I think she brings a different kind of chemistry; I don't think she's lacking.
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Whilst I'm relived to see the show getting a season 8 I can't help but wonder just how low it can sink lets face it S7 was bad enough when for some bizzare reason TPTB decided to go all Murder She Wrote when was the last time you turned on a computer and saw a murder for example?
I just have a small general observation, along the lines of wondering about an apparent aversion to punctuation and formatting
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Shows like NCIS and CM have also done web based murder cases. Murder She Wrote gets around.
It couldn't have been more obvious who was going to die if they had painted a target on the back of Bill's head
That Bill was going to be be a "bad" cop was the more obvious aspect of his appearance, less that he was going to cark it. That said, NY has displayed a tendency to kill off people I think would have been great to keep around :lol:. EJO's character, for one. I suppose DJE & John Larroquette should count themselves lucky
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Personally, I think Fonda was great in his arc, and suspect he would have had a great deal of fun with all that was asked of him :lol:. More on that in some of the other seasonal-type grading threads I've not managed to hit yet.
what's next Mr Green killed with the candlestick in the freshfruit aisle during Lindsay's next Supermarket run?
Strangely, I could see them making an ep out of how and why a candlestick was in the produce aisle. :lol:
Then there is Jo has anyone checked to see if it's short for Jonah because the last time a debut flopped so badly was the Titanic
...not quite catching the allusion here.
Are you suggesting that Jo should be tossed overboard, as Jonah was, in order to save a ship? IE a tv Ship? Dare I offer an alternate take, that Stella jumped over of her own accord after 3 very mediocre seasons, and that the show has now begun to right itself due changes it was obliged to make?
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Jo's entrance into NY was boldly made. Understandable. While unsubtle, it was also not without fun. For me, she also had a curve of improvement and integration. It took some time for her to wholly win me over. She still did. (I could say the same of Stella).
I think SW also mentioned that her first days on set were filming 2 eps at the same time (?). My point being that she and the show were damn near to improvising in figuring out how to present her character early on. I'd say they did pretty well.
she wasn't wanted in the first place and she isn't now.
Sure she was. Sure she is. I was keen to see a new character come on board. And I'm glad she's now a part of the show.
but take a look at the fanfic on Fanfic.net since last september there are roughly 312 new fics re: Smacked and a princely sum of roughly 12 fics mentioning Jo in any sort of main capacity at all doesn't take a mathematical genius to workout who the lion's share of the audience wants to see back come S8 now does it?
I might suggest that there's overmuch significance ascribed.
It doesn't take a mathematical genius to work out that Stella's 140 eps over six years ensures her greater general prevalence over that of Jo, who has 22 eps to her name, starting in, oh, September; nor that the princely sum of Smack FF is most likely written by those who may (a) have a general predisposition to romance and ship based fics, (b) have an interest in exploring this particular ship and/or these specific characters involved, (c) possibly pursue certain scenarios as wish fulfillment, or by some who may even view or use them as a kind of catharsis, (d) simply be interested foremost in writing, perhaps even undertaking requests and/or challenges from others to produce stories along certain themes in certain realms, etc; it is also probable that there were not 312 different authors. That's about all I'd conclude.
FF authors and their preferences are not necessarily proportionally representative of those within any show's larger viewing audience, nor are fans who may be among those more vocal in the brave new-media world.
It would seem that quiet millions of folk, perhaps that lion's share, were happy enough to tune in and see Jo as part of NY in S7.
I might go so far as to say that FF authors are a certain demo in themselves, but comprised from a derivation that crosses several others. FF submissions in general are not a litmus test for a show's success. FF.net may profit. Prime time does not.
I think I can speak for us all
No, you cannot. Thanks all the same.
since even the loyalst fan must admit to being suprised at a S8 being commisioned at all
Yes and no.
Surprised because seven years is a very long time for a show to run, and I believe most contracts were built around that lifespan. If ever there was a time when a network would be likely to not renew a show, it would be where there were the fewest penalties in doing so.
Surprised because Friday is a tough night to air on for any show.
Surprised because NY has been an underdog from day one as a second spin off, and third in a franchise, and there are no guarantees.
Less surprised because CSI as a franchise remains a big cash earner for CBS, and NY is still helping the network make money. Also because S7 was a reasonable performer despite the move. It also helped to launch Blue Bloods, and outlasted a CM spin-off & the show it was bumped to make room for, Defenders. Some combo of business & intangibles earned NY another round.
and the onlu way to do that is to re-introduce our Stella/Smacked asap.
Hard to "reintroduce" a relationship that never was.
I think NY is fine without Stella. MK would also seem to be of the same opinion, given she chose to move on. The producers also seemed happy to keep looking forward.
I'm not anti-ship, nor am I anti-smack.
I do take issue with the likes of "let's blatantly contrive to put certain interests ahead of any & all others in the pursuit of rectifying a perceived omission, by campaigning to insert a never previously romantic relationship into a show that's not a soap drama but a forensic crime procedural, where one character within said pairing is no longer available, in a move that would ultimately close doors on various opportunities for the leading character who remains, and usurp scant screen time available, also thereby shortchanging the current roster, because a handful among a ship demo still refuse, a year after the fact, to accept that Stella is gone & that smack may never be made canon."
TPTB did themselves no favours by omitting Stella from EXIT STRATEGY which at the time was thought to be the final episode
I don't see what the issue is. Stella was mentioned in an ep aired just earlier. She is alive, still contributing to the shared law enforcement endeavor. Aiden was lost to it.
Given that the finale was in part about the risks & cost suffered in the course of all their service, perhaps it was more profound to have a small nod to Aiden in the finale, indicating her involvement in that one unsolved case, thereby getting some additional closure for her too?
Perhaps not everything is about Stella.
It was a massive insult to everyone who has watched since the beginning
I don't see it that way. I felt the focus was appropriate, both in the approach the show took with the City Never Sleeps, and in Mac being the emblem and vehicle in presenting what they have all managed to contribute in "doing their part."
the viewers who GS claims to care about not to mention both charater and actress whom GS insists is his friend and who without there would be no show at all nevermind a S8. Think on Mr Sinise you have let an already hugely disenchanted audience down very badly on this
Disenchantment in the face of change is understandable. Perpetually looking for somewhere to lash out and hurl some sense of blame & judgement because there was change in the show to be accomodated, less so.
First it was MK, then PV, then CBS and the whole show, SW was facing an uphill battle at best with some, now Gary's hauled forward. I do not doubt that GS cares about his fans and viewers of the show; he seems quite gracious in how he interacts when meeting them in person, in his endeavors within the digital realm, in promoting the show as best he can. As for GS and MK, I will take each at their word, that they are friends and continue to support one another. Neither MK nor GS have "let anyone down." Neither have the producers.
It's a tv show. I don't recall Vanessa Ferlito suffering abuse for her choice to leave. People come, people go. Especially on a show that's been on for so many years. Melina left of her own accord. Last word I read was that a wage freeze was a consideration but that it ultimately came down to her feeling that it was "just time." Sela Ward was approached on extremely short notice, decided the timing was right for her too, took on the challenge, mostly blindly, of accepting a substantial assignment with no small risk attached. The show had to re-visit scripts and stories that had been in the works for weeks if not months. S7 was a pleasant surprise, all things considered.
I think it's ridiculous to hold GS, MK, SW, or any other cast member responsible for unrealized ship desires. The producers also didn't just shove Stella out the door or kill her, they wrote her up the ladder in a place still struggling to rebuild. Not a bad out.
The sense of entitlement, not to mention the serial pursuit of unwarranted scapegoats, seems grossly misplaced.
Might I also suggest the new Sergeant Messer becoming Mac's no2 since he now presumably as the seniority
If Messer accepts the promotion to Sergeant, it would presumably require his being transferred in order to accomodate an appropriate assignment in being one.
Sgt. Messer was also created as a DL conundrum. Yet one more avenue wherein it'd be great if Danny got some individual attention but will be likely be used in service of the only relationship on the show that is canon.
Not likely how a frustrated Smack fan can look to oust Jo, sry :lol:.
and quite frankly if Ward doesn't go then the show will.
Quite frankly, Ward is one reason the show managed to carry on into S7, and is part of a show that got itself a S8.
I would also love to see Louie again
So would I. But methinks he might be dead.
just what would Danny sacrifice to protect his brother? His career? His friends?His marrige?
I'd be happy to see Danny get some material that doesn't somehow shortchange him in favor of catering to DL. It would seem to nearly be a case of how the show is sacrificing Danny
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Then there is Flack it's about time he had someone to spar with again we all miss Jess don't we? How about having Don Flack Snr visit
It would be great to meet Flack Sr. at some point. Looks like Hawkes is the latest on the romance merry-go-round, and so I guess we'll have Don as single awhile longer. I'd be happy to see Sam back too, if there's a way to integrate that into a case.
Adam is getting to long in the tooth to be the baby how about a mini me for him, someone for the team to train up like they did with Aiden/Danny/Lindsay in the past.
...Cos Haylen Kaye Sullivan Becall worked out so well in that vein for the show... :lol:
I don't think Adam's presented as the baby, but as an "atypical" NYPD tech to counter the others. I think Sid is similarly an unconventional personality.
That brings me back to Stella three little words here people CSI:New Orleans you would have 'em queing around the block for that (hint to TPTB:If ever a spinoff show was crying to be made then this it folks)
Three little words, Melina Kanakaredes Left.
Who knows, offer her up the lead on another spin-off, perhaps she'd be interested - or perhaps she's really and truly happy pursuing the projects that she decided to leave CSI:NY for.
Other words: Zuiker pretty much stated that NY would be it. Other thoughts: given how CBS' latest effort at a spin-off went, and how the other CSI shows are also faring, I'd not be hopeful of anything else happening in the franchise realm anytime soon
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not to mention her mysterieous past. What was her mother called? Was her death an accident? What happened to her father? How is Professor P involved in it all? There is enough there to keep her busy with Mac's help ofcourse indefinately never mind just S8.
So, not so much CSI:NO, a forensic crime procedural set in the Big Easy, as CSI:Bonasera, back-story mining, will we ever discover her truths ?
. Yep, perfectly fits the mandate of the franchise :lol:. What would happen should the spin-off have Stella enlist the aid of someone other than Mac...?
Failing all else if nothing but dragging MK back by the curls and handcuffing her to the set will get her to return
...cos nothing says "I hugely appreciate all your work over the years and sincerely respect and fully support your decision to leave and pursue other avenues in your life and career" like abducting one by the hair and restraint thru handcuffs :lol:
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You can't replace the irreplacable and TPTB need to stop trying to,nobody can hold a candle to our Stella and it's idiotic not to mention pointless to keep trying.
Stella was certainly replaceable. So was Aiden, Warrick, Grissom, Speed, et al.
When a cast shifts, it's not idiotic or pointless for a show to have the creativity and wherewithal to address the transition. Exactly what else is a show supposed to do?
For me, Jo easily holds her own. No candles required.
Jo doesnot have the hearts and minds of the audience and never will
This royal we again begs to differ. My heart an' mind have come to like her dandyo.
It is too bad that she'll apparently never be given a fair chance by some.
Like it or not Smacked/Stella is a gigantic part of CSI:NY and therefore MK/Stella has massive influence over the show's audience and what it chooses on a Friday night. A massive influence CSI:NY badly needs just to continue to survive,
Smack is a ship identifier, Stella a fictional character, MK an actor formerly on the show. They don't have direct sway over anyone. People choose what they want to watch or DVR. All on their own.
Viewers and fans will definitely have some connection and feelings about the actors and characters, but all of them, not just Stella. Plz to note that not everyone is by default a Smack shipper, nor necessarily a shipper of anyone at all.
To survive will require good writing, promotion, support, and would regardless of where slotted in the schedule.
If any element of the Smack-based ship/fan demo truly had as much sway as repeatedly proffered, Smack would be a canon based debate, not an FF one.
(An aside, thank teh freakin' gads that NY never put their leads together. Look what's to befall House, and Huddy fans).
Ever wonder why shows like NCIS, LAW & ORDER SVU or CSI :VEGAS continue to prosper the way they do?
The L&O franchise has made it's own mark on tv history, just as CSI has. But NCIS is the only show that has flourished in recent years. SVU and Vegas have both had their own issues to battle.
SVU fans will additionally be facing their own changes/challenges with Hargitay asking for her ep count to be reduced. Ditto Vegas with Helgenberger.
NCIS has managed to maintain a balance in humor, character material, and cases, within a certain set of parameters, and did so not without it's own drama behind the scenes. The show and what it has achieved is really quite unique, especially as it has increased it's viewers and ratings over time, where shows generally tend to wane.
It's because their writing and producing staff bother to listen to what it is their audience wants to achieve, they treat the audience with some respect, they do everything in their power to work with us viewers not against them like CSI:NY has done for the best part of the last 2 seasons
Which opinions of their respective audience members do they listen to? Some people like Vegas' Ray, some people don't, for example.
NY did treat their viewers with respect. In getting someone of SW's caliber to join the show, in creating a fun character for her, in shaking up the labs and poking everyone, in the guests they enlisted, in how they approached the S7 (and at the time possible series) finale, and not least in where they wrote Stella as having moved on to, and in what capacity.
no-one wants to see the show cancelled and I do firmly believe this is one pheonix that cam be reborn from the ashes if TPTB do what they should have done all along and listens to it's audience.
About the only thing we'll apparently agree on is that we don't wish to see the show cancelled. Beyond that, we're at YMMV
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