"Cello and Goodbye" discussion **Spoilers**

I said this last year, Haskell and Ray feed off each other. Sherlock Holmes to Dr. Moriarty if you will ( to quote Grissom :lol: ) Not a bad plot line in itself. The problem is that it was WAY over done. Way WAY over done.

Haskell has lost all of his creepy manipulative-ness and is now just silly character in an overdrawn out storyline.

Ray who has his own demons to battle has abused the power given to him by the lab. I hope there is some consequences to his actions. And I hope Cath gets in his face.

I love the reference to Keppler. He was one of my favorite guests. His storyline was also dark, but again why did that work? A man running from his demons only to have them find him?

And yet this Ray/Nate storyline isn't working for me or many on this board as well.
 
Keppler worked cause it was only over a few episodes. Haskell/Ray has been dragging on for several seasons. I think that's why the ratings were so low last night. Some viewers are tired of this particular story arc, so they opted not to watch the episode altogether. I also think the working and not working of the two story arcs may be because Keppler was only a temporary fill in for Grissom's short term absence whereas some viewers still resent Ray for "replacing" Grissom, even though Billy chose to leave on his own.
 
Dizzney said:
Funny though that he(David Berman) wasn't in it because he was there along with Jon Wellner for the picture celebrating the 250th episode.
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Yeah that is kinda wierd since they were at the party but not in the ep, BUT they both work behind the scenes doing research for the show

DJRideout said:
Well you all have basically covered all the pros and cons of the episode...so I shall not repeat them all again. But I will say that I was more intrigued then I thought I'd be. For a milestone episode...being the 250th, I was really happy to see more of the team and everyone's involvement, unlike Mascara..the 200th.
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Yeah I think the team involvement is what made the episode even though there was all the Raskell

^Yeah the cell phone thing, he buys a gun w/o serial numbers, a labtop, but he doesn't ditch the phone? And as a CSI for 2 and half years you'd think he'd know better
 
A couple of thoughts.... first, maybe Haskell's father just said that it was a cousin's daughter (or whatever) to throw the scent off of Nate. It could be that the two aren't related at all. Second, I still noticed how it was brought up that Ray wouldn't allow his DNA profile to be put into the system. I understand that it isn't mandatory, but is there another reason for his reluctance? With the note from Nate referring to the 'first one' makes me wonder, 'What if Ray has a darker past that he has kept hidden?' TPTB have made sure that they have woven little bits and pieces throughout the past 2.5 seasons that could really explode at some point. I really would like to see Ray spill a little blood and have Greg put it in to CODIS just to see what the writers would do with the possibility.
 
waiting4summer said:
Second, I still noticed how it was brought up that Ray wouldn't allow his DNA profile to be put into the system. I understand that it isn't mandatory, but is there another reason for his reluctance? With the note from Nate referring to the 'first one' makes me wonder, 'What if Ray has a darker past that he has kept hidden?' TPTB have made sure that they have woven little bits and pieces throughout the past 2.5 seasons that could really explode at some point. I really would like to see Ray spill a little blood and have Greg put it in to CODIS just to see what the writers would do with the possibility.
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If Ray was already in CODIS for something in the past, then wouldn't the LA lab have matched him to the "unknown" DNA found at Tina's murder? His previous reluctance was because he knew he had the MAO-A gene, wasn't it?
 
I agree with pretty much all of the pros and cons above me and think that considering how much I was ready to dismiss this episode, I was pleasantly surprised. It really wasn't as hopeless as I had set it up to be in my head.

The one thing I would have liked, would have been at least a mention of Greg's birthday..
 
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ladybronco said:
Kinda rules out a *Bride* relationship now, doesn't it :lol::lol:
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For those two? Not necessarily.;)
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Oh, so very true!
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This is CSI after all. I know this is only because I watched it recently, but it kind of reminds me of Table Stakes, where the con artists turned out to be brother and sister and were caught doing the nasty. :eek: :p
 
Raynn said:
waiting4summer said:
Second, I still noticed how it was brought up that Ray wouldn't allow his DNA profile to be put into the system. I understand that it isn't mandatory, but is there another reason for his reluctance? With the note from Nate referring to the 'first one' makes me wonder, 'What if Ray has a darker past that he has kept hidden?' TPTB have made sure that they have woven little bits and pieces throughout the past 2.5 seasons that could really explode at some point. I really would like to see Ray spill a little blood and have Greg put it in to CODIS just to see what the writers would do with the possibility.
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If Ray was already in CODIS for something in the past, then wouldn't the LA lab have matched him to the "unknown" DNA found at Tina's murder? His previous reluctance was because he knew he had the MAO-A gene, wasn't it?
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You're right, I forgot that they found DNA on Tina that probably belonged to Ray (unless of course Nate has added an African American male to his list of brides). lol
 
Okay so Ray's DNA wasn't in the system...wouldn't they have taken it once they found him so they could compare it to the DNA under Tina's fingernails? And then I guess they might have found out whatever it is he is hiding and why he wouldn't give his DNA before.
 
I would have thought they would take his DNA sample after finding Tina dead, but I honestly can't remember if they did. They did question why he was not in the system even though he was a CSI. I would have thought that if they did ask Ray for a sample and he said no, the LA team would have tried for a court order to obtain it. If they just accepted Ray's story about what happened when he was with Tina without proof of innocence, then I have a feeling they aren't solving too many cases out in LaLa Land.

<if I missed something please feel free to call me on it, I was a little sleepy last night and might have missed some of the smaller details, lol>
 
I liked the episode but that doesn't mean I'm not sick of Haskell. There were some funny and wtf moments. I like Morgan. Yay that she's a CSI and not a detective!
 
Smokey said:
Okay so Ray's DNA wasn't in the system...wouldn't they have taken it once they found him so they could compare it to the DNA under Tina's fingernails? And then I guess they might have found out whatever it is he is hiding and why he wouldn't give his DNA before.
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Wouldn't they need a warrant to get his DNA because he could refuse otherwise...
 
waiting4summer said:
Second, I still noticed how it was brought up that Ray wouldn't allow his DNA profile to be put into the system. I understand that it isn't mandatory, but is there another reason for his reluctance?
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I always thought it was because he has that gene that can cause a predisposition for aggression and/or violence, and he didn't want the chance of that fact making its way into the system and being made a permanent part of his record, which could then be accessed by others (police, etc.). But you're right, it could be something related to Haskell and his past. Haskell certainly is implying that they are somehow linked (through some school field trip, I thought Haskell said), and that perhaps Ray has blocked his memory of whatever that "first one" was. Which is why Haskell keeps saying that you never forget your first one.

What bugs me is that the writers took something that was creepy in its initial presentation, because it was so vague, and have made it literal to Ray. It was far more effective, IMO, the way it was originally presented.

myfuturecsi said:
Sara's raised eyebrow made me laugh. I'm surprised no one has given it a nickname: The eyebrow of dooooom!
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I also liked her little smirk at Morgan's "chip and dip" comment. That was cute, and seemed so spontaneous that it almost looked improvised.
 
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