"All In" Season Finale Discussion *SPOILERS*

[happyharper13]

GNRF Yes Riley could hav been nicer and calmer, that's the point she was disrespectul to him, it's none of her business the talk to her 'elder' in such a manner, he can do what he wants, how he wants to, she's not his boss:alienblush: question what was the point of this episode, other to see a bunch of losers scrambling hiding, ripping off, killing about for these stupid poker chips. and I don't think every season fiinale has to be dismal or deplorable or a cliff hanger, but how about more of the team and what's going on with them especially in a season finals~ Greg's book for instance, and who was Rita, Brass's old time 'friend' or Langston's past, things like that

She is his superior. She gave an order and he didn't follow it. If anyone was being disrespectful, it was Ray. Regardless, Riley's age is totally irrelevant. What is relevant are her credentials -- she has the experience and knowledge and has done the work to earn her position. She deserves his respect based on the work she's put in, not based on her age. And she also deserves Ray's respect based on having saved his butt in 'No Way Out,' when she clearly proved that she knew how to handle situations with guns better than he does.

By that logic (that all "elders" should be "respected" in such a way in a professional setting like that one), Greg would have to be obsequious toward every stubborn suspect that was older than him. It just doesn't make sense. I'm all for being respectful toward people, including people who are older, but Ray being older doesn't preclude him from following the rules. He's going to work as a CSI 1, not as a fifty-whatever-year-old.

he can do what he wants, how he wants to

No, he can't. He's putting everyone at the scene -- including Riley -- in danger when he does something stupid. What if the guy had pulled out his gun and held it to Ray's head, holding him hostage? Then Riley would have been responsible for getting him out. What if Ray had blocked her shot, making it easy for the man to shoot either of them? Riley could have been in danger as well as Ray.

As for whether she should have been "nicer" or "calmer", a) she was just in a dangerous situation and clearly stressed out as a result, and b) the issue she was addressing was important and she wanted to make sure that he actually got the message. Either way, given that he just put both of their lives in danger, I think she has every right to talk to him less than nicely and calmly.

 

[Half]

Riley could hav been nicer and calmer, that's the point she was disrespectul to him, it's none of her business the talk to her 'elder' in such a manner, he can do what he wants, how he wants to, she's not his boss

No, she's not his boss, but she is his superior. It doesn't matter that he's older; he made a very reckless and stupid decision. She's trying to protect him from doing something that could end up getting him hurt. If he doesn't listen to her and does something like that again, he could get seriously injured, if not killed. Riley's tone might have been a bit harsh, but how else should she have talked to him? He wasn't going to listen to "Please don't do that", especially since she's younger than him. She could have shot him, or he could've been shot by the suspect, even though he was hurt. She's more experienced than Ray, and even though he's older she has the right to tell him something when his actions could possibly endanger more than just him.


ETA: Wow, happyharper said basically the same thing as me. Oh well, reinforce it. *laughs*

 

[NickyFan]

So Nick's gonna be the new bug guy, that might be cool. Nice way to get rid of him just send him off to Hawaii! Nick fans welcome to the world we Greg fans deal with on a regular basis, it sucks doesn't it?

Actually I said shortly before the last 4 episodes (or somewhere around then) that I'd be happy if he just made an appearance in each of the remaining episodes. So, as a Nick fan I'll say I'm happy with what we got last night. :bolian: Besides I got the feeling from that RDH interview a couple weeks back that his back was a lot worse than they were letting on.

Susan

Well that might be true but I guess if they really wanted to make George a real part of the finale episode they would have find a way... I mean they could have simply start filming the episode earlier or something... as much as I like that he went to Honolulu for the bugs... I hate the way they simply erased him from that episode...

 

[Desertwind]

I remember when in "Say Uncle" she was also disrespectful to Grissom, with the little boy, he said "Don't ever do that again, and go back to the lab. and she started arguing with him~ when he scolded her out, she seems to have issues with authority and I still think his decision to do what he did was an excellent choice that guy maybe was going to shoot him self, he had an infected leg and Ray said "I'm a doctor first" I thought she say "thank you" he rushed in and took care to the situation as best he could at the moment. Everyone has a different take on this scene, and age doesn't have anything to so with it, but he was already told off once, and she brought it up again, not necessary, and I liked the way he walked away. even Cath just listened and didn't take any particular action~

 

[happyharper13]

I remember when in "Say Uncle" she was also disrespectful to Grissom, with the little boy and he scolded her out, she seems to have issues with authority and I still think his decision to do what he did was an excellent choice that guy maybe was going to shoot him self or them and he rushed in and took care to the situation as best he could at the moment. Everyone has a different take on this scene, and age doesn't have anything to so with it, but he was already told off once and she brought it up again, not necessary, and I liked the way he walked away. even Cath just listened and didn't take any particular action~

Cath didn't take any action because she didn't need to take any action -- because Riley had already taken care of it. As for 'Say Uncle,' what Ray did endangered the case. Riley wasn't just sending a message to Ray; she was also communicating clearly to the father that Ray's actions were unacceptable and that she wouldn't interfere with the father's parenting. They didn't have a warrant to be there in the first place. Riley needed the father's cooperation and she did what she needed to do in order to win him over. If she hadn't chastised Ray, then the father probably would have felt ganged up on -- as if the CSIs thought it was their right to interfere in his parenting -- and he certainly wouldn't have felt so inclined to help them.

she seems to have issues with authority

She was in the position of authority. Ray was the one who ignored the orders of his superiors, making him the one who comes closest to having issues with authority.

 

[Half]

I remember when in "Say Uncle" she was also disrespectful to Grissom, with the little boy and he scolded her out, she seems to have issues with authority

The point is that Langston has absolutely no authority over her.

Plus, at that point she was still new to the team and getting adjusted. I don't really remember the Say Uncle scene being that disrespectful...

ETA: Once again, happyharper and I are responding simultaneously. Maybe I should wait longer before replying. :lol:

 

[happyharper13]

ETA: Once again, happyharper and I are responding simultaneously. Maybe I should wait longer before replying. :lol:

Lol. No worries. The more, the merrier. And Riley certainly needs more supporters

 

[blackflag]

So Nick's gonna be the new bug guy, that might be cool. Nice way to get rid of him just send him off to Hawaii! Nick fans welcome to the world we Greg fans deal with on a regular basis, it sucks doesn't it?

Actually I said shortly before the last 4 episodes (or somewhere around then) that I'd be happy if he just made an appearance in each of the remaining episodes. So, as a Nick fan I'll say I'm happy with what we got last night. :bolian: Besides I got the feeling from that RDH interview a couple weeks back that his back was a lot worse than they were letting on.

Susan

Well that might be true but I guess if they really wanted to make George a real part of the finale episode they would have find a way... I mean they could have simply start filming the episode earlier or something... as much as I like that he went to Honolulu for the bugs... I hate the way they simply erased him from that episode...

You'll notice that I said I was happy with what we got. Not that all Nick fans were happy.

You need to remember also that as they get down towards the end of the season CSI (and probably other shows) are typically filming two episodes at once just to get them finished on time. And I wouldn't disbelieve someone if they told me that George may have been filming his scenes one after the other without care of what episode they were actually in at that time.

I would rather have him miss most of the season finale in a dismal, non-memorable season than miss most of the season premier in the next season, if by missing that episode it gives him a better chance of being closer to 100% when they start filming in July. confused: That confuses me but I don't know how to say it any better than that!)

Susan

 

[myfuturecsi]

My friend and I laughed our heads off when Riley said, "I like guns!" She said in such an excited way like a kid who says, "I like chocolate!!!"

Anyways, that and the small Wedges scene we got when Hodges talked about porn were the only high lights of the show. The rest was a joke!

 

[NickyFan]

You'll notice that I said I was happy with what we got. Not that all Nick fans were happy.

You need to remember also that as they get down towards the end of the season CSI (and probably other shows) are typically filming two episodes at once just to get them finished on time. And I wouldn't disbelieve someone if they told me that George may have been filming his scenes one after the other without care of what episode they were actually in at that time.

I would rather have him miss most of the season finale in a dismal, non-memorable season than miss most of the season premier in the next season, if by missing that episode it gives him a better chance of being closer to 100% when they start filming in July. confused: That confuses me but I don't know how to say it any better than that!)

Susan

Yeah you're right... this episode would have never been a episode where we would have seen much Nick anyway and the last episodes of the season just sucked... so all we can hope for is a great season premier with Nicky back to 100% :thumbsup:

 

[Half]

ETA: Once again, happyharper and I are responding simultaneously. Maybe I should wait longer before replying.

Lol. No worries. The more, the merrier. And Riley certainly needs more supporters

*frowns* I'm not sure I want to be affiliated with a Pittsburgh fan... (Although we're the idiots that missed the puck going into the open net, so... yeah. :lol

I just don't think that Riley was being particularly disrespectful at all. Maybe it's because I have a similar sense of humor, and a similar anger streak, but nothing really seemed wrong about her reaction to me. She made a point to mention it to him, and when he didn't seem to care she went to Catherine. And that's the right way to go about that situation.

 

[GregNickRyanFan]

I totally get that Ray is a doctor, so he went with his instinct, but he was still reckless and still could have gotten the both of them shot.

Ray should have said: "I'm a doctor, I can help you, but first I need you to put down your gun." I mean, isn't that basically how he handled the boy in "No Way Out"? Why should it be any different here?

I don't think every season fiinale has to be dismal or deplorable or a cliff hanger, but how about more of the team and what's going on with them especially in a season finals~ Greg's book for instance, and who was Rita, Brass's old time 'friend' or Langston's past, things like that

I agree there should have been more of a team moment in the episode. I too would like to see more about Greg's book. As for Rita, that was the biker's wife, right? They told who she was. She was someone who was intimate with Brass. I don't think he knew she was married. But, she was angry with her husband cause he beat her, so she went out, met Brass and hooked up with him. As for Langston's past, personally I think it's too soon for that. They need to tell us more about his personality before the delve into his past. Just my opinion though.

I think Riley was in the right concerning her Ray/gun dispute. The guy had a gun in his hand. His hand was still twitching with the gun even as Ray went down to grab it. Plus, he really put Riley in an awkward position as she had her gun aimed at the guy when he jumped there. His sudden action could have triggered a reaction from her and instinctually firing.

I liked the fact that Riley talked with Ray about it, then when he ingnored her, she went to Catherine with her problem. I liked the way they played that out.

I agree. Everything was happening so fast, Riley could have acted in reflex and pulled her trigger thinking the guy was about to shoot Ray.

She's trying to protect him from doing something that could end up getting him hurt. If he doesn't listen to her and does something like that again, he could get seriously injured, if not killed.

Very true. I saw it more as a "tough love" kind of speech rather than a "disrespectful" one.

I remember when in "Say Uncle" she was also disrespectful to Grissom, with the little boy

I don't believe she was disrespectful to Grissom. She just stated that she didn't believe what she did was wrong. And I have to agree with her. The boy at that time was not a suspect. And suspects are supposed to be questioned with lawyers present, or advocates if they are minors. Most of the time, witnesses aren't required to have a lawyer present. But, it's not like she was grilling the boy. She was just saying "do you remember what happened to your mom and your uncle?" to see if he knew anything to (as she stated) help the case. I don't understand why anyone would need to be there for that. No one was with Cassie in Gumdrops when Nick questioned her about what happened to her family. So, why should someone have had to be there with Park when he was questioned about what happened to his family?

that guy maybe was going to shoot him self or them and he rushed in and took care to the situation as best he could at the moment

That guy was already aggitated. He could have very well have seen Ray's action (in coming forward) as threatening and could have shot either Ray or Riley in reaction. Ray didn't even give the guy time to drop the gun. He should have (as I stated above) told the guy he could help him, but he needed him to drop the weapon first.

My friend and I laughed our heads off when Riley said, "I like guns!" She said in such an excited way like a kid who says, "I like chocolate!!!"

Yeah, that was cute/funny.

all we can hope for is a great season premier with Nicky back to 100% :thumbsup:

Here, here!

 

[ladyhunter]

Yeah it was nothing stellar. It was okay but not a great season finale.

The storyline was interesting. A good way to bring back Old Vegas and some back story. But it just lacked something. The usual CSI spark that the show has, this episode did not. :wtf:

As for Riley, she's not my ALL TIME favorite but she's a good addition. I thought she did cross the line with Ray supervisor or not. Maybe it was just the way she said it???

Second, I think Ray has too many 'pots in the fire' if you will. First he's a doctor, then a professor, now a CSI??? If you are going to be a CSI, be a CSI don't go back to being a doctor. Why would a hospital let some random doctor take care of patients??? I didn't get that.

As for Cath, I like her new supervisor role. She seems very down to earth and involved. I'm not complaining about her having more screen time either.

The rest of it was just.. MEH! Not a great CSI episode.

 

[happyharper13]

Can someone please explain why Ray was working at a hospital in the first scene? I just don't get it. Was it supposed to be a flashback or something? The guy there wasn't even tied in to the case, was he?

 

[Desertwind]

UH, he's still a doctor, and why he was there, is because he's a doctor, and the guy with all the wounds and was running amok was someone they brought in, and then he got called out on the case.~