Episode 8x05 - 'Bad Seed' ***CONTAINS SPOILERS***

Horatio sent the guys to the farm without a warrant, so that is on Horatio, not Ryan, not Jesse, not Walter. Ryan was the ONLY one who was saying that they shouldn't be there without a warrant. Why Ryan is getting the blame in that scene is beyond me.

The whole point was, they didn't need a warrant because Horatio knew they could not (no matter what) and would not be able to bring criminal charges against the company or whatever. The only thing they could do was get enough evidence so that the families of those dead could bring a civil lawsuit against the company. You probably don't need to have things obtained by warrants to bring a civil lawsuit against someone.
Because Ryan gets the blame without people actually thinking about it.I however don't see how he could be blamed anymore than the others.Perhaps it's more because of the remark,which was a sterotype and I'm sure he has learned from it. Jesse's question about the fieldworkers immigration status could be seen that way too,fortunately he was correct but he could have easily been wrong.
Ryan's character just can never please some people.I've seen him both praised and damned for the same act .
thought it was established that Eric and Ryan were never --and would never be-- good friends, just co-workers. You don't have to be friends with everyone you work with. It doesn't make you an outsider.
I work with many people that I consider co workers.You can be co workers without being friends and still not have that amount of tension or mistrust.Who would want to work in that environment?
 
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I have to point out right away, any episode that begins with Alexx Woods is a good episode. It was awesome to see her once more, and to see that her concern for Eric was still intact. This is clearly a relationship eight years in the making that sticks, and it's believable. Alexx always conveyed a sort of parent vibe when it concerned her colleagues, and here it is no different. She's never gone overboard with her concern, and just like a mother, she spots out quickly that there's something amiss with Eric and she calls him out on it. Before Eric can explain how he's feeling, the action ramps up, and we don't get to hear his confession of feeling out of sorts. I really would've liked to have seen him express himself to Alexx about this, but we can see as the scene progresses, that Eric's clearly not `with it'. Early on, it's apparent that he's come to a decision about something and it's weighing heavily on him.

With the impending change coming, however, it was nice to see the team assembled again. I don't think there's been a scene with ALL of the team together in the layout room since season one (Golden Parachute). I liked the fact that the team was there , but it was missing one person: Jesse. I don't know if it was because he was the new guy in camp, and this was Delko's swan song, but to me, team means team, and Jesse should've been a part of it. I personally thought it had more to do with the whole changing of the guard situation than anything else, but nevertheless, that didn't take away from the moment. It was refreshing to see Horatio interact with his team and show the effectiveness of his leadership. I would love to see more of this in the future.

Something I don't want to see more of, is Ryan being dumbed down. How am I to believe that someone who was strict enough about protocols to in season three to tell Calleigh that if she was coming on the scene of his investigation of her father to put her hands in her pockets, would just trounce over the most important protocol there is : obtaining a warrant. The line that Ryan gave was not only stupid, but highly stereotypical and turned out to be false. The farmer was very much well aware of his rights and schooled Ryan quite proper. I winced at the fact that Ryan had Jesse and Walter in on it, and Jesse's quick thinking with the illegal workers was the only thing that saved that. Here's a note to TPTB: Stop fooling around with characters, it's not working. Either shape Ryan up, or kick him off, but don't continue to insult the CSI's. His off the wall comment and demeanor just looks bad.

A surprise: Natalia Boa Vista was very visible in this episode, and that's a good thing. My most enjoyable scene was when she was testing the corn and was being pressured by the others to produce. She let them know that as soon as she got the results, they would have them and not a moment sooner. Natalia's become such a strong character, I wish that they would utilize her more. It's a waste if they don't.

A dislike: The whole contaminated food plot. I know it happens, more than I would like to admit, but it grosses me out. After seeing the misadventures of the growers, the transportation and the dolling out of contaminated food, I practically swore off salads, corn and a few more things. I do like, however that they did shed light on the fact that not everything that is said to be organic isn't, and that politics plays a heavy role in just about everything we do in life. Kudos to CSI Miami for shedding that light.

Another dislike: Delko's inability to hold on to his anger in the questioning of the health department agent. Yes, she's was ridiculous and yes, she deserved the dressing down that Horatio gave her, but Delko was treading on thin ice. I know it was done to show how out of touch he was with the job, but his anger bursting out in an interrogation/ questioning is not new. But now that his perception is more askew, I suppose it was what was needed.

I'm going to veer for a second and say that Calleigh was a mixed bag of sorts. Yes, this had nothing to do with the show or the case, but the fact that her lips were turned in a perpetual frown had me distracted. Is she going too far with the botox? Does she not like the story line? WHAT? I happen to go with the botox theory; even when showing emotion, Calleigh's face barely moved. Emily Procter's a very beautiful woman, it's my personal opinion that she should let nature take it's course. She's only forty for cripes sake, she's not going to shrivel up and wither away. That's enough of me being superficial
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The ending of this ep was one that everyone saw coming, but wasn't prepared for it. Eric and Calleigh's scene was nice and demure, and held the right amount of questions and ponders about the future, and finally stakes why he's leaving. I knew from the moment that Delko was shot in Season five, that he was on borrowed time. I was just glad that they chose not to take him out violently, and allowed him to make that decision himself. What was disappointing to me was that there was no face time with Horatio. Yes, it's implied that their relationship is deeper, but for those who don't see their lives away from the lab, it would've been great to see that personal touch to the send off. A letter on the windshield just didn't do it for me.

As always, the team of Jesse and Walter was a knockout. It is my hope that they continue to have this as an occurring theme, it's nice to get a fresh perspective in the grand scheme of things. Walter provides this. What I'm waiting for is Omar's name in the credits, because he really has made a place for himself there. Not to screw over our resident lab techs, but seriously, Walter's had more screen time than Valera in all of her seasons with the show, and it's only five shows into the season! I think there's a message there….

All in all, I give the ep an A. I thought that it was good that they didn't focus on Eric's departure much ( as par for the norm for Miami). It was a good mixture of odd ball humor, seriousness and dedication, and I can only hope that the rest of the season follows suit. Five shows in….and getting better!

I agreed with so much of what you've said. They need to stop making Ryan seem incompetent. He's an extremely clever criminalist, so they need to stop pulling this three stooges act with the guys. Chemistry is good, but honestly?

Overal I thought last nights episode was a good, though. I was glad to see the team work together and solve this case, including Alexx. It felt like home again with Adam in this episode. I was heartbroken to see Eric decide to leave, but really looked at the ending as a new beginning for him... the locker room moment had me teary eyed, also. I don't know how she does it, but Emily is that good of an actress that she makes me tear up every time she tears up. It was really a sad moment. That was hard to watch, and a little confusing, but that's TPTB! I just think they should've saved that for his final episode, though...what will he do when he comes back? Where will he be working?

What I didn't like was when they all solved the case, Jesse was surfing, while the rest of the team pitched in and helped the farmer rid his crops of the e-coli... was he special? He only picked up a can to recycle it.. :wtf:

Eric at his car, finding the note from Horatio was however a nice touch. Super H has special powers and always knows what's happening under his nose, even if you try and hide it :lol:

Edit: I would like to add that I'm officially swearing off salads and corn due to this episode. Thanks! SMH
 
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Because Ryan always gets the blame.I however don't see how he could be blamed anymore than the others.Perhaps it's more because of the remark,which was a sterotype and I'm sure he has learned from it. Jesse's question about the fieldworkers immigration status could be seen that way too,fortunately he was correct but he could have easily been wrong.

As for the stereotype, that was the writers' stereotypical thoughts seeping through and it had no place in the episode. That is not Ryan and it was out of character for him. The comment would have been wrong regardless of who said it. The writers need to stop screwing around with the characters and writing them out of character. If these writers can't get it right, then they shouldn't be writing and should let someone who can get it right write them.

What I didn't like was when they all solved the case, Jesse was surfing, while the rest of the team pitched in and helped the farmer rid his crops of the e-coli...

I was a little confused by the Natalia/Calleigh scenes at the end. Were they in their own yards or were they supposed to be helping the farmer? We only know for sure that Ryan and Walter went back to help.- By the way, the fact that Ryan did go back to help should absolve his earlier stereotypical comment. At least they are showing that he learns from his mistakes and tries to make up for them. :)
 
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I think Natalia and Calleigh were working in a community type farm.
All of them were shown helping the environment in some way.
As for the stereotype, that was the writers' stereotypical thoughts seeping through and it had no place in the episode. That is not Ryan and it was out of character for him. The comment would have been wrong regardless of who said it.
I agree.
 
Eric at his car, finding the note from Horatio was however a nice touch. Super H has special powers and always knows what's happening under his nose, even if you try and hide it :lol:
I think by that time H had already known. Eric had on different clothes, the others were doing their thing as well, as if it had been a few days after he walked out of the locker room with his bag, so my impression was that he had already turned in his badge/talked to H -- tptb just didn't show it. I could've gone for a proper goodbye between them, but considering he isn't actually gone yet, I think that's the reason why they didn't have Eric & H share any official goodbyes -- there was really no need - the note was just the right touch.
 
thought it was established that Eric and Ryan were never --and would never be-- good friends, just co-workers. You don't have to be friends with everyone you work with. It doesn't make you an outsider.
I work with many people that I consider co workers.You can be co workers without being friends and still not have that amount of tension or mistrust.Who would want to work in that environment?

I don't know if tension is the right word. Ever since Ryan got reinstated, his relationship with Eric has "improved" and I've only seen that "tension" appear in a bunch of moments, but it was completely justified, like the "It's done" message, or Ryan framing an innocent man in "Wolfe in Sheep's clothing". Like I said, I don't think there's tension between Eric and Ryan, they are just colleagues and their opinions clash from time to time. That doesn't mean that they hate each other or that they don't want to be around each other. That only means IMO, that they are not close friends and tend to disagree.

I agree that the new guys won't judge Ryan for his past actions and it's easier for him to get along with Jesse and Walter for this reason, but I've always found realistic that after all Ryan's missteps the team wouldn't accept him with open arms immediately. Even so, Natalia and Calleigh seem to be good friends with Ryan (remember last season when Ryan and Natalia were gossiping about E/C or when Ryan tried to get the truth from Calleigh about her relationship with Eric) and they would have the same reasons as Eric to mistrust him.
 
- I know I'm the only one but the Jesse/Walter/Ryan trio feels incredibly forced and scripted, like they are trying to give Ryan something nice to do this season. What about Walter with somebody else? I'm getting tired of him always being either with Jesse or Ryan. When this three are together it feels like a different show and while I've seen that a lot of people like it because of that reason, I like Miami to be Miami, not similar to other shows. The reason that I watch Miami and not NCIS for example is because I like Miami's style and not NCIS, so forcing another style into this show, it's only going to make me stop watching. But since I'm aware that I'm probably the only one that doesn't like the trio, there's nothing I can do apart from venting my frustration here. :lol:

I know what you are saying; it seemed to come on all at once and since people seem to like it, they will probably OD us on it.


Even people that don't have dynamics with a large group of people find a few people to bond with.There is nothing really forced,it seems rather realistic.The new guys don't have a history with Ryan,their interactions aren't colored by him replacing Speed or other resentments or mistrust,there's no reason a friendship couldn't develop. Ryan has had fairly good dynamics with Horatio and Calleigh but why restrict it to just them?

I think that is why I like it; there is no preconceived notions with Ryan. It is starting out from scratch. But I can understand too why it isn't a favorite.



Now... I hate the split screens though you can simultaneously watch the expressions on everyone's face, I hate it that you have to focus on many points on the screen! Its just IRRITATING :angryrazz: !!!!!!!!!

They gave me a headache last night.

This proves everyone sees things differently.I never thought the tension left,it was always under the surface and it took next to nothing to make it erupt.I hated it,maybe that's why I'm enjoying the 3 working together.Ryan has had short scenes with the other characters.I'm sure that will continue and at some point in the season perhaps spend more time with them as well.

One only has to watch the end of WISC to see that the tension was never far away. Eric and Ryan are coworkers, nothing more.


I agree w/ both sides actually. I do like the "3-musketeer" bonding, but I also do think that tptb could spare some interaction with Ryan/Calleigh and/or Ryan/H -- those relationships should be built up just as much, if not more considering they've been together as a team longer. While I enjoy the new trio, I don't want it to start feeling like an "overkilled relationship" that's shown in every single episode. I'd like to see eventually that they split them up some more - we can obviously tell that those 3 can work good together, but we haven't got to see how well Jesse or Walter can really mesh one on one with other team members.

I don't want to see the "3-musketeers" to the exclusion of any one of the three of them not working with the others. Ryan seems to work well with Calleigh, Natalia, etc., so does Jesse and Walter seems to have the ability to get along with anyone.


Ryan/Jon looks healthy and in last night's ep he looked gorgeous. He looked (minus the haircut) much like he did last season. I love the casual clothing on him. :thumbsup:

I miss last year's hair.





Something I don't want to see more of, is Ryan being dumbed down. How am I to believe that someone who was strict enough about protocols to in season three to tell Calleigh that if she was coming on the scene of his investigation of her father to put her hands in her pockets, would just trounce over the most important protocol there is : obtaining a warrant. The line that Ryan gave was not only stupid, but highly stereotypical and turned out to be false. The farmer was very much well aware of his rights and schooled Ryan quite proper. I winced at the fact that Ryan had Jesse and Walter in on it, and Jesse's quick thinking with the illegal workers was the only thing that saved that. Here's a note to TPTB: Stop fooling around with characters, it's not working. Either shape Ryan up, or kick him off, but don't continue to insult the CSI's. His off the wall comment and demeanor just looks bad.

As for the stereotype, that was the writers' stereotypical thoughts seeping through and it had no place in the episode. That is not Ryan and it was out of character for him. The comment would have been wrong regardless of who said it. The writers need to stop screwing around with the characters and writing them out of character. If these writers can't get it right, then they shouldn't be writing and should let someone who can get it right write them.

This is my fear with them tinkering with Ryan's character; they are not doing it in a positive way. I am puzzled why they are doing it anyway; he was going in a nice, positive direction at the end of last year, why mess with it, especially in the direction they seem to be taking him this year:confused: He is saying and doing things he would have never done in the past.:(

Because Ryan gets the blame without people actually thinking about it.I however don't see how he could be blamed anymore than the others.Perhaps it's more because of the remark,which was a sterotype and I'm sure he has learned from it. Jesse's question about the fieldworkers immigration status could be seen that way too,fortunately he was correct but he could have easily been wrong.
Ryan's character just can never please some people.I've seen him both praised and damned for the same act .

Ryan has been the scapegoat since he came on. It is getting rather old.
 
A dislike: The whole contaminated food plot. I know it happens, more than I would like to admit, but it grosses me out. After seeing the misadventures of the growers, the transportation and the dolling out of contaminated food, I practically swore off salads, corn and a few more things. I do like, however that they did shed light on the fact that not everything that is said to be organic isn't, and that politics plays a heavy role in just about everything we do in life. Kudos to CSI Miami for shedding that light.

I agree! When I saw how the food got contaminated it grossed me out too!! Though I am glad CSI Miami did an episode like this, it was really good!
 
I just rewatched the episode again, and I love it! I haven't been this happy and excited or laughed and enjoyed the show so much since Speed was killed, it's good to see Miami finding their way back to their roots!

The three musketeers are just WAY TOO CUTE!:lol: They're like three siblings, blaming each other when things go wrong, teasing each other, and they even have the same "WTF" expression when they see something strange!:guffaw:I just find them to be WAY WAY WAY TOO ADORABLE!!!!!!! It's so good to see the boys get along and enjoy each other's company!

Now seeing it a second time, Jesse certainly wasn't displaying super abilities when he reacted to the gun-toting farmer. He knew that he had to be extra vigilant and careful when he was testing just in case if someone found him, if people watch closely, both Walter and Ryan were all looking around and making sure that no one saw them too since it was an illegal search and all that. Besides, Jesse only went for his gun when the farmer stepped on some leaves or something and made that crunching sound, that alerted to Jesse that someone's there, hence why he had the gun ready when he turned around, although it was rather unfair to pit Jesse's little handgun against that farmer's big rifle....:lol:

And did anyone notice Horatio called Natalia "Ms. Boa Vista", I'm starting to think H is calling them that by habit or something.....though he still calls Eric, Calleigh, Alexx, Frank, and Jesse by their first names.....maybe this is just a newbie thing.....

The ending was kinda cute...really really fitting music......

I think I figured out where each member was.....Walter and Ryan were at that gun-toting farmer's corn farm to help them with the corns......Calleigh and Natalia were at a community garden taking care of plants and flowers it seems.....Horatio was doing his signature pose in front of the crime lab building.....guess Eric was still inside when these scenes were being played.....and Jesse was out enjoying the Miami waves and recycling, hey at least now we know what Jesse does during his off times, yay for sneaking in a bit of character development!!;)

I did have one question though, anyone catch what kind of necklace Jesse was wearing at the end when he was on the beach? I couldn't tell if that was just some silver necklace or military dogtags.....

And I think I figured out the whole no-promo thing too! According to the site, next week is a re-run.......does anyone know why? Is there gonna be some event?
 
If I'm not mistaken, it looked as if Jesse were wearing dogtags. In Bolt Action, you can see he has a silver chain on as well. I wonder if and when he was in the military. as they possibly could not be his, maybe his fathers?

Not sure what's going on next week, though I'm annoyed there's already a break in the season.
 
If I'm not mistaken, it looked as if Jesse were wearing dogtags. In Bolt Action, you can see he has a silver chain on as well. I wonder if and when he was in the military. as they possibly could not be his, maybe his fathers?

Not sure what's going on next week, though I'm annoyed there's already a break in the season.

Or maybe it's something that Eddie himself wears so they just kept it for Jesse's character?

And if not dogtags...maybe it could be something that Jesse's mysterious "girl" made for him?

I just checked out Hostile Takeover, and Jesse certainly wasn't wearing it then.....so maybe it's something new...

And the whole break-thing annoys me too.....this is why I'm glad I don't have to deal with breaks when I'm watching 24, they air uninterrupted....thank god!
 
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Not sure what's going on next week, though I'm annoyed there's already a break in the season.

About every other year they run a repeat towards the end of October, before November sweeps, as do most of the procedurals.

I guess it's to make sure all their new shows start in November on time.....

personally though, it really annoys me.....breaks always cause me to go haywire without any new shows to watch......boredom....
 
I hope the genetically manipulated corn was only a plot device, not something that has really happened. Even so, I doubt I'll ever eat corn again.
 
I enjoyed this one. It was great to see Alexx again, even if her character will be on only once in a while.

It's nice to see tptb make judicious use of the techs. Walter's a keeper. Okay guys, don't overdo it with him. Balance! Balance!

Oh goodie. Another shot of Jesse's boobs. :rolleyes: One, two, three...FANGURL SQUEAL!!

The last few scenes with Eric were tastefully done. I for one am more likely to respect the E/C relationship if that was one of many reasons Eric was leaving CSI.

A side to tptb. Whoever's making those stupid split screens, KICK HIM OR HER IN THE REAREND FOR ME!! :scream: That gets really annoying, and for us middle age folks, the picture is sometimes so small we can't really tell what's happening. KNOCK IT OFF WITH THE SPLIT SCREENS ALREADY!!

Rick Stetler really :drool:could have been in this one since a corporate litigation attorney was involved. Oh well, guess we can't have everything.

And in the end, everybody did something to help our planet. AWWWW, PITTER PATTER, I FEEL SO GOOD INSIDE. And they all still drive those big Hummers. :guffaw: Do us all a favor, CBS. Don't try to get political. You don't do a very good job of it.
 
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