Your Thoughts on the upcoming Danny/Lindsay development (SPOILERS!!!)

[melanie33]

Re: Your Thoughts on the upcoming Danny/Lindsay development (SPOILERS!

I never said Lindsay didnt have faults. But IMO in the whole R/R/D arc I found Dannys behaviour way worse than Lindsays. Dannys behaviour was typical of someone that was trying to cover, because he knew deep down what he was doing was wrong. Getting defensive on the phone, when L asked him what was wrong, the whole story about why he forgot her birthday, his body language, his lack of direct eye contact, the nervousnes, the twitching. All typical behaviour of someone thats feeling guilt or shame and of someone trying to cover their wrong doings.

I never got she was only concerned about herself. IMO I think she had just had enough. You mean to tell me that, if your partner did what Danny did, you would just sit there and take it? He wouldnt let her help him. If somone doesnt want your help there isnt much you can do about it.

If Lindsay was self centred...What would you call Danny's behaviour in that arc?

And can somone explain the whole Danny likes being treated badly argument, coz truly I dont get that.

But I do agree ya know. They do need to work through their issues. I just dont want everything to be perfect all of a sudden either. Like I said, a baby isnt a quick fix, but somtimes it makes your own face up to those personal issue and try to reslove them. One thing you cant be when you are a parent is self centred or self involved/self absorbed.

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[PerfectAnomaly]

Re: Your Thoughts on the upcoming Danny/Lindsay development (SPOILERS!

I never said Lindsay didnt have faults. But IMO in the whole R/R/D arc I found Dannys behaviour way worse than Lindsays. Dannys behaviour was typical of someone that was trying to cover, because he knew deep down what he was doing was wrong. Getting defensive on the phone, when L asked him what was wrong, the whole story about why he forgot her birthday, his body language, his lack of direct eye contact, the nervousnes, the twitching. All typical behaviour of someone thats feeling guilt or shame and of someone trying to cover their wrong doings.

To me Danny's behavior was typical of someone who was grieving and not dealing with it very well. He was consumed by grief and guilt about Ruben and, although I didn't see the guilt toward Lindsay, his behavior would likely spill over into other parts of his life and his relationships. People get defensive when people ask them what's wrong. I know Fay mentioned it and I know when I'm on the phone with my mom and she asks if something is wrong I immediately get defensive. I would hardly call forgetting her birthday a "wrong doing" either. Why would he feel shame and guilt over that? Oh that's right, because Lindsay heaped on the guilt and Danny let it get to him. Lindsay was kicking him when he was down and that is far worse behavior, especially when she was allowed to grieve according to her own timetable and specifications.

I never got she was only concerned about herself. IMO I think she had just had enough. You mean to tell me that, if your partner did what Danny did, you would just sit there and take it? He wouldnt let her help him. If somone doesnt want your help there isnt much you can do about it.

She'd had enough of what? Danny grieving and feeling guilty for the death of a child? When did she offer to help him? She didn't. If my partner was grieving and shutting me out I would try and be there for them and let them have their space. I sure as hell wouldn't rip them a new one about my birthday or tell them they're shutting me out when I've never tried to be there for them. You are right about not being able to help if someone doesn't want the help. But Lindsay never tried to help so she had absolutely no reason to go off on Danny for not letting her help him.

If Lindsay was self centred...What would you call Danny's behaviour in that arc?

Danny's behavior was defined by his grief and guilt. He wasn't selfish because he cared about Rikki's pain just as much, if not more, than his own. Lindsay's behavior was defined by her need to have every aspect of Danny's life revolve around her. If she was really concerned she wouldn't have gone from offering no help to getting pissed. She would have tried harder to be understanding and supportive.

And can somone explain the whole Danny likes being treated badly argument, coz truly I dont get that.

Well, my take on it is that he stays in abusive or potentially abusive relationships and even does things to keep the cycle going. In S1 he was constantly defying Mac. He could've stayed on the promotion grid and saved himself a lot of trouble if he had just played by the boss's rules. Instead he repeatedly did his own thing and it had bad consequences and caused fallout between him and Mac. And while he was openly defying Mac he was still looking for his approval. It seems he and Mac got over their issues, but their relationship was very unhealthy and Danny seemed pretty hell bent on getting approval from Mac regardless of how he acted.

He also kept contact with Louie even though he made it clear they had a falling out and that Louie only came to him when he needed something. Granted what he thought about Louie was partially wrong, but he kept that relationship active despite his always being disappointed by Louie's behavior and Louie's seeming disregard for him and his feelings.

Then there's Lindsay. She seems interested in him and then when he decides to pursue the relationship she pushes him away without explanation, stands him up and is generally just a bitch to him. Yeah, she was dealing with issues, but Danny didn't know what issues and he still gave her support and let her know he was there if/when she needed him. She continued to blow him off and didn't even bother to say good-bye to him when she left for Montana. So what does Danny do? He flies from NY to Montana to support her during the trial because he thought she needed a friend. Then .0002 seconds after the verdict is read she tries to kiss him with no explanation. They return to NY and he still wants to have a relationship with her even though she still has not talked to him about what she went through and why she treated him badly. There's also the emotional manipulation so Danny takes jobs she doesn't want and tells her he misses her after she told him she had to "let go" of her love for him and twice told him he was "hard to love."

Some part of Danny on some level must think that being treated badly is a sign of caring for him to hold on to so many unhealthy relationships.

 

[cSiNyFrEaK30]

Re: Your Thoughts on the upcoming Danny/Lindsay development (SPOILERS!

You mean to tell me that, if your partner did what Danny did, you would just sit there and take it? He wouldnt let her help him. If somone doesnt want your help there isnt much you can do about it.

My boyfriend's grandfather, who he was extremely close to, died recently. I drove two hours to be there for him at the wake and at the burial. While we were at the funeral home he barely said five sentences to me. I could tell he was in pain and he was having a hard time, and that he appriciated me being there, but I could also tell that this was his way of grieving. He didn't want me following him around the whole time trying to hold his hand and wipe away his tears, because thats not how he wanted to deal with it. He pushed me away when I tried to give him a hug during the service, and chose to cry by himself when the burial finally happened. Yeah, I was hurt by it. I wanted him to know that I was there for him if he needed me, and that I cared about him. And you know what? I know that he knows that. Regardless of his behavior at the funeral, the day I left he told me how much he appriciated me being there for him, even though he wasn't exactly hospitable the whole time.

So, yes, if my partner did to me what Danny did, I would take it. Because its his grief and his pain I am trying to console, not my own selfish need to be needed, which Lindsay seems to have.

Lindsay never approached Danny to even try to console him about Ruben's death. Never. She never told him she was there if she needed him, never told him she was there if he wanted to talk, never told him that she would be there to be the shoulder he cried on or the one he had to lean on. What she did do is come down to the morgue, exclaim, "I just heard what happened!" then tell Mac that she wasn't good at this kind of thing. After that, she doesn't approach Danny, he doesn't approach her...and then she has the audacity to tear him down for not doing so. The only thing Danny is 'guilty' of is not running into Lindsay's arms the minute something bad happens.

But I do agree ya know. They do need to work through their issues. I just dont want everything to be perfect all of a sudden either. Like I said, a baby isnt a quick fix, but somtimes it makes your own face up to those personal issue and try to reslove them. One thing you cant be when you are a parent is self centred or self involved/self absorbed.

Yeah, self-absorbtion and self centeredness are not good qualities in a parent. But based on what we've seen from Lindsay, I have a feeling those qualities are going to outweigh anything else in her up until the actual birth of this child...perhaps then she can finally grow out of that--since she really can't be the most important person in her life anymore, the child has to be it.

 

[louise_dk]

Re: Your Thoughts on the upcoming Danny/Lindsay development (SPOILERS!

I voted NO! I cringe whenever Anna is on the screen and we are only just started on season 4 here (DK).

Lindsay is treating Danny very much like a woman from the local area treats her husband AND son. I don't think you will find very many who says she is nice, but rather - a huge bitch.

She can call home in the middle of her work day and shout at her husband or son on the phone for stuff they should supposedly have done while she was at work.

Once the son spilled ice cream on a new shirt, she shouted at him so loud and so aggressively that he started crying. The lad is 3-4 years old, her husband she yelled at as well and told him to get the f*ck home and have the son change his shirt.

Lindsay and Danny never had good chemistry to begin with. I once read a comment from a girl, who's sister is a psychologist. She (the sis) saw both "sex" scenes with Rikki and Lindsay. Her message was clear: Rikki and Danny had loads of chemistry, Lindsay and Danny had none.

Danny is a wimp for letting Lindsay walk over him like that. Carmine's comments in some interviews could be interpreted as him not being very happy with the way the writers have written it. A cool and handsome cop guy like Danny would probably just move on to the next girl - and not let one girl just walk over him.

The "asian" cop during season 1/2 had a really good chemistry with Danny. Cut Lindsay out of the show (let her transfer to Montana police) and let Danny be with her. There is a couple with great chemistry.

 

[Top41]

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I never got she was only concerned about herself. IMO I think she had just had enough. You mean to tell me that, if your partner did what Danny did, you would just sit there and take it? He wouldnt let her help him. If somone doesnt want your help there isnt much you can do about it.

She'd had enough of what? Danny grieving and feeling guilty for the death of a child? When did she offer to help him? She didn't. If my partner was grieving and shutting me out I would try and be there for them and let them have their space. I sure as hell wouldn't rip them a new one about my birthday or tell them they're shutting me out when I've never tried to be there for them. You are right about not being able to help if someone doesn't want the help. But Lindsay never tried to help so she had absolutely no reason to go off on Danny for not letting her help him.

Yeah, I fail to see how Lindsay was being treated poorly by Danny not turning to her when she didn't even make an attempt to be there for him in the first place. Oh wait--Danny forgot her birthday! How dare he forget Lindsay Monroe's birthday when he's grieving for the death of a child. :scream: Priorities, Danny, priorities!

Well, my take on it is that he stays in abusive or potentially abusive relationships and even does things to keep the cycle going. In S1 he was constantly defying Mac. He could've stayed on the promotion grid and saved himself a lot of trouble if he had just played by the boss's rules. Instead he repeatedly did his own thing and it had bad consequences and caused fallout between him and Mac. And while he was openly defying Mac he was still looking for his approval. It seems he and Mac got over their issues, but their relationship was very unhealthy and Danny seemed pretty hell bent on getting approval from Mac regardless of how he acted.

He also kept contact with Louie even though he made it clear they had a falling out and that Louie only came to him when he needed something. Granted what he thought about Louie was partially wrong, but he kept that relationship active despite his always being disappointed by Louie's behavior and Louie's seeming disregard for him and his feelings.

Then there's Lindsay. She seems interested in him and then when he decides to pursue the relationship she pushes him away without explanation, stands him up and is generally just a bitch to him. Yeah, she was dealing with issues, but Danny didn't know what issues and he still gave her support and let her know he was there if/when she needed him. She continued to blow him off and didn't even bother to say good-bye to him when she left for Montana. So what does Danny do? He flies from NY to Montana to support her during the trial because he thought she needed a friend. Then .0002 seconds after the verdict is read she tries to kiss him with no explanation. They return to NY and he still wants to have a relationship with her even though she still has not talked to him about what she went through and why she treated him badly. There's also the emotional manipulation so Danny takes jobs she doesn't want and tells her he misses her after she told him she had to "let go" of her love for him and twice told him he was "hard to love."

Some part of Danny on some level must think that being treated badly is a sign of caring for him to hold on to so many unhealthy relationships.

That's my take on Danny as well. Danny seeks out unhealthy relationships and seems to respond when someone is treating him like crap. Hardly the sign of a healthy guy.

 

[JellyBelly]

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Lindsay and Danny never had good chemistry to begin with. I once read a comment from a girl, who's sister is a psychologist. She (the sis) saw both "sex" scenes with Rikki and Lindsay. Her message was clear: Rikki and Danny had loads of chemistry, Lindsay and Danny had none.

I am qualified in both person centred and cognitive behavioural therapies, yet I don't think I am any more qualified than anyone else on this board to determine who does and who doesn't have chemistry. I know what I like, I know which pairings I enjoy together and which one's I don't. It all boils down to personal preference at the end of the day. I like the chemistry between Danny and Lindsay as a romantic couple (although admittedly I preferred their chemistry before they got 'together' and in the lighter moments since). I even 'liked' the chemistry between Danny and Rikki, but I didn't see it as romantic chemistry, I saw it as raw and painful, a desperate attempt to seek absolution on the part of Danny and a desperate attempt to seek comfort on the part of Rikki. That's just my view though and I see little point in bringing in a professional opinion (either mine or anyone else's) to try and convince anyone that my view is the right one.

 

[snickerdoodle]

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I voted no. The only way this storyline will be good for the show in my eyes is if Lindsay decides that she can't work in the lab and be a mom and they either put her way, way, way into the background only to be seen once in a while or she goes away all together.

For the writers to go from the spoilers we were getting after the last season ended and what is coming out now, I fear plot decisions were done too hastily and will not be written well. I think we can all agree, regardless of what your personal feelings are regarding various characters, poorly written stories are not what we watch CSI:NY for.

 

[virginia-hell]

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Oh my gash, i'm not sure. Work colleagues falling in love and having kids is realistic enough but is it crime show material ?
Also..Lindsay with Danny? Totally punching above her weight..jog on love..

 

[Top41]

Re: Your Thoughts on the upcoming Danny/Lindsay development (SPOILERS!

Figured I'd bring this over here since it's pertinent to this discussion:

Information in TVGuide about the November sweeps says:

CSI: NY
The show celebrates it's 100th episode November 19 with guest stars Chris Daughtry, Rumer Willis, Scott Wolf and Julia Ormond as Mac's new boss. But November 26 offers the biggest bombshell: Lindsay tells Danny she's pregnant. "What happens is told through Danny's eyes," says exec producer Pam Veasey. "This is the beginning of the tough kid's change of character."

You can see a scan of the article in the link below (which was posted in the CSI spoiler thread). Be aware, the article contains spoilers for all three CSI shows.

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d167/Lilmissmulder/00006870.jpg

So it seems that this storyline is going to be more about Danny than Lindsay. How does that make you feel? More confident or less confident in the storyline?

Personally, it makes me feel a little better about it. It shows that TPTB know exactly who is the more interesting character and the more compelling actor, so they're placing the weight of the storyline on Danny/Carmine's shoulders rather than Lindsay/Anna's. It shows me that the writers are being savvy and smart about this.

What about you guys?

 

[Elsie]

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Yeah, I'm with you Top. I don't doubt that Carmine can do a great job with this storyline. I even quite like the idea of the 101st episode, I'm thinking it could be a great Danny episode.

 

[jolein]

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I`m much more relieved to read that they do make it more Danny`s storyline.
Maybe the writers do realise that Anna is the weakest link in the cast and they give her a bit less.
It could be a win-win situation for both Anna and the writers.

 

[melanie33]

Re: Your Thoughts on the upcoming Danny/Lindsay development (SPOILERS!

Personally, it makes me feel a little better about it. It shows that TPTB know exactly who is the more interesting character and the more compelling actor, so they're placing the weight of the storyline on Danny/Carmine's shoulders rather than Lindsay/Anna's. It shows me that the writers are being savvy and smart about this.

Really. I dont think it has anything to do with that. The fact is it makes sense to see it from Danny's side. Think about it. Lindsay cant suddenly make herself un pregnant..(well she can, but we know the show isn't going there) Where as Danny can walk away if he wants. And IMO I think thats the angle they were going for. Lindsays feelings for Danny have been made clear, Danny's really havent and I think thats more why its seen from his perspective. I doubt it had anything to do with whom is the apparent better actor.

 

[Elsie]

Re: Your Thoughts on the upcoming Danny/Lindsay development (SPOILERS!

Personally, it makes me feel a little better about it. It shows that TPTB know exactly who is the more interesting character and the more compelling actor, so they're placing the weight of the storyline on Danny/Carmine's shoulders rather than Lindsay/Anna's. It shows me that the writers are being savvy and smart about this.

Really. I dont think it has anything to do with that. The fact is it makes sense to see it from Danny's side. Think about it. Lindsay cant suddenly make herself un pregnant..(well she can, but we know the show isn't going there) Where as Danny can walk away if he wants. And IMO I think thats the angle they were going for. Lindsays feelings for Danny have been made clear, Danny's really havent and I think thats more why its seen from his perspective. I doubt it had anything to do with whom is the apparent better actor.

I actually don't think it is conventional to show this type of storyline from the man's perspective. Pregnancy usually seems to be about the woman, so the fact that NY are showing it from Danny's point of view is interesting, in my opinion. You could be right, perhaps it's about Danny's feelings for Lindsay and that will be made clearer through it, and Danny is (arguably) the better (definitely in terms of development) and more interesting character, so focusing on him seems like a good choice and a sensible one. That said, I think that if this storyline was being told from Lindsay's point of view it would have been dire, and I don't think Anna could have carried it herself. I'm sure (I hope) TPTB thought long and hard about this storyline and I think it's quite possible that there may be multiple reasons why it's being told from Danny's perspective.

 

[Corazon]

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I think it's going to be interesting to see a pregnancy storyline from the father's point of view for a change. And I'm really looking forward to see how all this will affect Danny.
But i was also hoping that they'd give more depth to Lindsay's character with this story. I hope they won't leave this out of the picture entirely. I personally think Anna is a good actress and I would have liked to see how both characters deal with this situation.

 

[Dragonfly]

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I actually don't think it is conventional to show this type of storyline from the man's perspective. Pregnancy usually seems to be about the woman, so the fact that NY are showing it from Danny's point of view is interesting, in my opinion.

I agree. While I'm not thrilled about this story line in general (I don't think it belongs in a crime drama), it will be interesting to see it from Danny's perspective.