Would You Like Lindsay Better If She'd Been Consistent?

[chaostheory08]

The "dislike" with Danny is again, rooted in the writing. If Stella's victimized all the time -- Danny's a male version of that. The "why me" factor of Danny comes from all around him: why am I a magnet of screw ups and troubles, why am I having a hard time proving myself without looking cocky....

P.S. Around the world and back? And here I thought the only places she's ever been is Montana and New York.

Lol, me too (I know that is taken literally) :lol: . But I think what the poster is gunning for is she has been through a lot (she has?) .

TPTB will never take notice because they either write the show as they go along or they already have a blueprint as to where it'll go.

 

[PerfectAnomaly]

paigeS said:
First off let me say everyone is entitled to their own opinion, it would be a strange old world if we all liked the same thing. And let me state everything I write here is just my opinion, its how I see things doesn't mean I am right or wrong.

A WHY ME CHARACTER!

IMO Danny is the biggest WHY ME character on the show. From his " Why do I feel no one's got my back on this" in ON THE JOB to his "Why should I go, whats it got to do with me" remark to Hawkes in regards to having to attend some sort of work function with Cindy. And most recently his " Why do we do what we do, for what" comment in Comes around. If you are going to find this fault with one character, point should me made that all of the characters have made it about,themselves at one time or another. But oh yeah I forgot, its Danny, Danny never does anything wrong, its always someone else's fault as to why he acts the way he does. And in regards to her behaviour in LRC,OH and SN, IMO they were classic signs of PSTD. From her standing Danny up, to her snapping at Stella, to the hallucinations, to the inconsistant behaviour. IMO that behaviour is consistant of someone suffering from PTSD.

Let me start off by saying that I am perfectly aware that I have a right to my own opinion, and that I've never seen a problem with people who dislike Lindsay stating that anyone else's opinion is invalid or wrong.

I agree that Danny certainly has his issues, but at least TPTB have been somewhat consistent with those issues. The writers have never given me the impression that they had any sort of storyline or personality picked out for Lindsay when AB joined the cast. There were a lot of questions about Lindsay that came out of those personality changes, and TPTB totally missed the boat on resolving them. I realize all the characters have storylines that haven't been resolved, but with Lindsay it appears the trial was meant to reveal why she behaved as she did for almost two seasons. If that's the case, TPTB should've answered the many questions they posed. Why can't Lindsay talk to mothers? Why can Lindsay want to stay at a crime scene where teenagers have been brutally slaughtered and even mention she's seen more blood than what's at the scene, but then run away from a crime scene when she'd have to cross paths with the mother? Why can Lindsay make a casual comment when finding a shotgun at a scene if her friends were gunned down? The writing and portrayal didn't convince me that PTSD was the reason, it is certainly something to speculate about, but it can't be proven. As for Danny "doing no wrong," many of the same people who dislike Lindsay have also made comments about Danny's faults. For me though, TPTB and CG have made the character much deeper than just "why me," and that is why I like the character despite his faults. For the most part, TPTB and CG made him human and have built on his character instead of just changing his personality to fit a particular episode.

To to her part in SD, seeing as though TPTB wanted to have their relationship revealed in the finale, what other role could she have played. To have her taken hostage with Danny would have been D/L overkill, and to have her at the Lab with Hawkes, Stella and Mac IMO have made her look out of character, because I for one, cant see Lindsay going all Rambo with an AK-47.

TPTB could have had her armed and ready to act like the detective she is when she got to the warehouse. TPTB and AB could have convinced me that she actually cared more for Danny in the situation than she would have any other random person. TPTB could have had Lindsay care more about getting Danny to the EMS team than expressing her guilt and angst. I felt Lindsay's only purpose was to make the Danny/CG fangirls "squee" at seeing him shirtless.

I once read a post here, claiming that Lindsay was the most disliked character in the CSI franchise. IMO that claim was ridiculous. What I want to know is how did this person come to that conclusion. And where is the proof to back that up? IMO its fine not to like a character, but to assume most people share your opinion is just absurd.

I once asked what was meant when those who dislike Lindsay and D/L talked about the "majority." The answer I received was that for most the word was not being used literally. It was being used in regard to this MB only, and even then it was admitted that there was no way of telling what the true "majority" felt. Yes, I realize that's not the proper use of the word, but it helped me put it in the context of TalkCSI.

In regards to AB's acting, that comes down to personal preference, what you need to remember is not everyone see's things the same way, for every person that doesn't like her acting style there is one that does. I see the same type of comments made in regards to Emily Proctor and Jorja Fox, doesn't mean they cant act.

I don't really get your point here. Does the fact that there are people here who think AB is a good actress negate the opinion of those who don't? It seems like you're saying people who criticize AB's acting are not aware that others may like her. I've never seen anyone here post that because they don't care for AB's acting it means everyone else should smack their heads and say, "My God, now I see it. You're right! She's the worst actress ever."

And to blame her character for the changes in Danny, again IMO its just ridiculous. Because by doing that you disregard everything that has happened to Danny since season 1. Him shooting the under cover cop in ON THE JOB, Mac losing respect for him at the end of season 1, Aidens firing in Grand Murder at Central Station and subsecquent death in Hero's, him being a murder suspect and Louie getting beaten up and put into a Coma trying to clear him in RSRD, and Flack getting blown up in Charge of this Post, all these things could play a part into why he has changed and not one of them involve Lindsay.

I don't feel TPTB changed Danny that much until they decided to pair up Danny and Lindsay. He was still had a fiery temper and quick wit and everything else I liked about Danny even after all of those episodes aired. When it was decided to go the Lindsay as angsty victim route along with the Danny and Lindsay "like" each other route, Danny's whole demeanor did a 180. If he matured and changed because of all the things he went through, the change would've been much more gradual. As it went, his changes were all about Lindsay and making him fit within her angst ridden storyline.

And in regards to the D/L storyline,(which really IMO this is what this keeps coming back to) I have said it once and I will say it again. To keep coming back to CG doesn't like the storyline is just an assumption. I have never seen him state anything either way. And to make that assumption off one comment he made about Jane Parsons over 12 months ago is ridiculous. We need to remember that there was a intimate scene planned for the finale last season. Maybe at the time CG didn't think it was a great idea, because there had been no build up to it, nothing to show us Danny had any sort of emotional connection to Lindsay. And if that was the case I have to agree with him, it would have seemed rushed, and who knows what was planned for the storyline after that, we will never know. Again if you are going to make claims like this, show people the proof to back them up.

I've never seen anyone flat out state as fact that CG doesn't like the D/L storyline. There's been some speculation and wondering, but no statement of it being a fact. It's no different than the speculation you just made about CG not wanting D/L to happen at the end of S2.

And reading silly comments like "Well at least CG wouldn't have had to worry about getting excited doing the bed scenes in SD", that to me is cruel and uncalled for. I think some of you would like to believe that CG absolutely loathes AB, to the point that he spits in her coffee, and keys her car in the parking lot. If you don't want people thinking jealousy is involved stop posting ludicrous comment like that one and the one about AB's weight in Daze of Wine and Roaches, after just giving birth. What in the heck has her weight got to do with anything. IMO she looked pretty damn fine for some one who had just given birth 3 weeks prior.

I agree with you on this. I've seen multiple negative comments on Lindsay's looks, and they've made me cringe. If AB had to spend 6 hours in the make-up chair to be transformed into Lindsay, then fine, comment on her being unattractive all day long. The bottom line is Lindsay looks the way she does because that's how AB looks. It's one thing to criticize Lindsay's wardrobe, but to actually criticize her physical appearance to me is unnecessary and I don’t really get how it’s not considered inappropriate as comments about other actors on the show are.

Reading stuff like this makes me wonder how much of this dislike has to do with Danny/Carmine. Because something interesting I observed a while ago, was in regards to the"Why Lindsay must go thread". That thread was dormant for a good few months, that was until the spoilers for SOOH came out and there was mention of Danny going to Montana. Coincidence maybe,I am not so sure, because now here we are with a new thread about liking Lindsay more if she was more consistant, not two weeks after the big reveal on the finale.

The thread died down because the conversation went through the spoilers for the season finale. Other threads, like the grade the episode threads, still talked about Lindsay and AB’s portrayal up through the end of the season. This thread was started to see the ratio of who liked what as far as Lindsay's character and because many said they liked the "tough, funny chick" it was asked if she were returned to that personality would those who dislike her now be able to put that aside and enjoy the character. To say the dislike of Lindsay is all about Danny doesn't hold any water considering the amount of posts with specific reasons that have nothing to do with Danny as to why she is disliked

If the point of this thread was to make the TPTB take notice,IMO it will fall on deaf ears. From my years working in this buisness, their attitude seems to be one of Shutup, stop over analyzing and enjoy.

On the DVD commentaries it has been noted by several that message boards are looked at. I don't think anyone who dislikes Lindsay has kidded themselves that posting will make TPTB change the show's course dramatically; but I think we feel it's good to express our honest opinion instead of just kissing ass and saying everything about the show is wonderful. I know I'd do that even if TPTB said they don't look online at what fans are saying. Just because I like the show overall doesn't mean I will just "Shutup, stop over analyzing and enjoy." Last time I checked I didn't have a lobotomy. I actually have an opinion about things, even if it is just a TV show, and I enjoy having an outlet for those opinions. What's the point of having a message board if everyone just posts "We love everything and everyone on CSI: NY! Don't change a thing?"

 

[Faylinn]

paigeS said:
And let me state everything I write here is just my opinion, its how I see things doesn't mean I am right or wrong.

Well, it seems like the majority of your posts are meant to inform other people that they're wrong in some form or another. Granted, I tend to skim...

IMO Danny is the biggest WHY ME character on the show.

Danny has his issues, which people have discussed since season one and continue to discuss even now. And yet, this is a thread about Lindsay, so I don't think it needs to turn into 'well, Danny is totally worse!' I like Danny, but even I don't want every damn thread to be all about him.

To to her part in SD, seeing as though TPTB wanted to have their relationship revealed in the finale, what other role could she have played.

They wrote the episode--they could have created a place for her. She didn't have to fit into some existing role in the episode to be given something to do. For me, it seemed like they made sure to include her and Danny getting their freak on but didn't bother to spend time on her otherwise.

IMO its fine not to like a character, but to assume most people share your opinion is just absurd.

O RLY? Then I really wish people would stop telling me that other people like something and that other message boards are filled with people who love this-or-that.

In regards to AB's acting, that comes down to personal preference

Duh. Doesn't change how I feel about it.

I see the same type of comments made in regards to Emily Proctor and Jorja Fox, doesn't mean they cant act.

Yeah, I've seen people say that Emily is a bad actress and Calleigh is a bad character--I don't agree, but I also don't sit there and tell them that not everybody agrees with them. I assume that they know this--they aren't idiots, after all.

To keep coming back to CG doesn't like the storyline is just an assumption.

Let's change a few little words to make my point here:

To keep coming back to CG liking the storyline is just an assumption.

Everything you said regarding the D/L stuff and how Carmine may or may not feel is no more accurate or inaccurate than anything else anybody has said.

If you don't want people thinking jealousy is involved stop posting ludicrous comment like that one and the one about AB's weight in Daze of Wine and Roaches, after just giving birth.

Hey! Here's a thought: if I want to avoid people thinking that I'm jealous, I should discuss the characters and the episodes and put time and thought into my responses.

Oh wait, I already do that.

If people want to read "I don't like Lindsay" as "OMG LINDSAY IS TAKING CARMINE FROM ME!" then they're going to see that regardless of anything else a person says. I can and have given (what I believe to be) intelligent and in-depth contributions to various discussions, and yet people still assume that I'm just jealous of Lindsay?

You'll also kindly notice that the people who discussed baby weight were not just those who don't like Lindsay, so don't generalize.

That thread was dormant for a good few months, that was until the spoilers for SOOH came out and there was mention of Danny going to Montana.

Threads like that are active in spurts--such as when spoilers come out, and "Sleight Out of Hand" was Lindsay's first episode after Anna's maternity leave. See it how you wish. *shrug*

now here we are with a new thread about liking Lindsay more if she was more consistant, not two weeks after the big reveal on the finale.

This thread is about having some discussion during the hiatus, when things usually die down in the forum. Are we only supposed to discuss certain characters at certain times?

If the point of this thread was to make the TPTB take notice,IMO it will fall on deaf ears.

No shit, Sherlock.

If I came here trying to influence the writers, I would have given up long before Danny and Lindsay were boinking on the pool table. Sometimes, people just like to have discussion for discussion's sake.

Shutup, stop over analyzing and enjoy.

No thanks. If I want mindless entertainment, I'll go play that game with the paint blobs on the Neopets site.

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To actually answer the questions that the thread is about:

I don't know that I'll ever really like Lindsay, but I think the writers have the chance to keep me from actively disliking her. Consistency would be nice, and tailoring the character to the actress's strengths would be even better. At this point, I don't forsee joining the legions of Lindsay fans, but hey, never say never, right?

 

[Top41]

paigeS, it seems to me that this thread wasn't really about Danny at all before your post. To me, your argument simply seems like a rehash of your one in the spoiler thread, but if you'd read the opening post in this thread and the ones that followed, you'd see that's not really what we're discussing here. Moving back on topic...

dl_shipper34, I think Lindsay storming out of an interrogation in "All Access" made her actions more about her drama than Stella in that episode. If she'd really been focused on Stella, she would have quietly expressed her concerns to Mac or Danny at an appropriate point and asked how she could have helped, not gone all Drama Queen and interrupted their work and basically put Danny in a situation where he was forced to chase after her and figure out what was wrong. I really detested her in that moment because it was wretchedly self-centered behavior. Why not show Lindsay visiting Stella in the hospital if they wanted to show how concerned she was? The whole thing kind of came out of left field anyway.

As for would I like her if she went back to being the funny, tough chick...I'm not sure. The character has really grated on my nerves for so long, and I feel like the cool things about her--her tackling suspects and getting excited about nerdy science stuff--are in the distant past. I don't know if the writers can just go back and make her palatable. But, I'm an optimist so I'll wait and see in season four. I think no matter what, given the inconsistencies and Anna's limited acting abilities, she'll remain the show's weakest link.

 

[althea]

I voted that I don't like the character at all. Part of the problem for me with Lindsay is Anna Belknap I just don't think she is a great actor or even a good one for that matter. I find her utterly unbelievable when she's little miss perfect or brown nosing or having fun she tries to sell that but I'm not buying. Lindsay has been working on my nerves ever since she wandered into that zoo scene and well nothing much has changed for me where she is concerned.

 

[Top41]

Anna is honestly a big part of the problem for me, too. She's just been so awful in some of her scenes, like the one where she yelled at Stella and then cried in the morgue in "Silent Night." I've never seen an actress on a primetime show less capable of handling dramatic scenes. That really takes me out of the moment and makes it hard for me to believe in Lindsay as a character, period.