PerfectAnomaly
Resident Smart Ass
Springmoon said:
ETA: Damn you, PA!! :lol:
Hey, look at the times of the posts! It was a tie! :lol: :lol:
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Springmoon said:
ETA: Damn you, PA!! :lol:
Snickyfen said:
Why doesn't anyone get it? Ruben was already shot by the time Danny arrived at the bodega. Ruben would still have died on the way home, and Danny being there wouldn't have changed anything!
dutch_treat said:
Was Danny responsible for Ruben's death?
No! The only one responsible for that poor boy's death was that stupid girl who decided to fire a gun in the direction of a crowded street.
MrsGiovinazzo said:
Funny, the legal part of my brain starts going through various offenses of which Danny might be guilty here. I landed on reckless endangerment (which wouldn't even result in a conviction given the circumstances), which is a far cry from responsibility for Reuben's death. But that's not really what I think, on a moral level.
Once Danny heard shots, his immediate obligation was to insure Reuben's safety. Did he really think Reuben's mother would entrust her kid to someone who would completely neglect his responsibility to the child in a time of crisis? Danny's obligation was to take the kid to get his bike blessed and return him home safely. For a cop, this shouldn't be asking too much.
He should have gone after Reuben and called 911. His choice here was interesting. He didn't even go after the suspect. He went to check on the shooting victim. Why? There's not a whole lot he could do there aside from calling for medical personnel.
I sympathize with Danny because I could see how torn up he was, but he should feel badly. Very, very badly. He was wrong and there's nothing in the world he can ever do to make it right.
rhythmbutterfly said:
By the way, how much blame should Ruben's mother get? Why didn't she go with them to church? I'm sure Ruben asked Danny to go, and maybe he wanted it to be only Danny. But trusting your child with a neighbor on the streets of New York City? Where was her judgement?
I'm sorry, but when picking up a gun and firing it becomes instinctual that is all the more reason for people not to have guns lying around. Quite another discussion I know, but the initial question was whether Danny was responsible for Ruben's death, and I still feel very strongy that although he was responsible for the boy, there's unfortunately nothing you can do to keep a child (or anyone) from being hit by a flying bullit.Top41 said:
she was firing at someone who had a gun and had just beat up her brother. Granted, she was firing at him while he was fleeing, so that was a mistake, but I definitely think that was somewhat instinctual.
I'm not blaming Ruben, he was after all doing exactly what Danny told him. But if I got shot, I would say something
Absolutely! The problem she'd face is that I'm pretty sure he could get the case dismissed using governmental immunity for acts of a police officer undertaken in furtherance of his job duties.Top41 said:
I was kind of wondering about the legality of the situation. Wouldn't he be wide open for a civil suit from Ruben's mother?
He made some bad choices. But let's not forget this is Danny. Naive and innocent Danny!He saw Ruben standing and he really thought he was fine.
What i find completely unforgivable in this situation though, is Danny's reaction after the incident was over. Once he knew the people in the bodega were safe and help was on the way, the very first thing he should have done was call Rikki or go straight to his apartment, and make sure Rueben got home safely. Sending him home to be away from the danger would have been a totally plausible plan, if he had made sure the boy was safe once he got there. But he didn't. There is no mention that Danny even thought to travel to the apartment or call Ruben's mother, and the first time he is reminded of the boy is when he sees his lifeless body in the morgue. The fact that he let Rueben ride ahead of him, the fact that he told Rueben to go home as quickly as possible after the shot instead of keeping him close, the fact that he didn't realize the boy was shot, were all a tragic series of events, but in the grand scheme of things, they all could be seen as Danny's attempt to keep him safe and be a reponsible protector, IMO. But not making sure the boy was safe, and instead staying with the victim who was obviously alive and going to make it and processing the crime scene....that i can't justify. In that sense...I do believe Danny was responsible for Rueben's tragic death.