Vartann&Willows #1Vartllows:b/c This Guy..'Can Hit the Bowl'

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So apparently the spoiler is confirmed (well as much as spoilers are confirmed, anything could happen). We'll have some FBI dude entering the picture. Even worse we've had no news on Alex/Vartann this season so we don't even know when/if he'll be back. I know one of the producers? commented on a storyline and mentioned Vartann but that was a long time ago. What if Alex has a new project or something? I hope that's not the case. I'm really not looking forward to this at all.
 
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hiphugger17 said:
So apparently the spoiler is confirmed (well as much as spoilers are confirmed, anything could happen). We'll have some FBI dude entering the picture. Even worse we've had no news on Alex/Vartann this season so we don't even know when/if he'll be back. I know one of the producers? commented on a storyline and mentioned Vartann but that was a long time ago. What if Alex has a new project or something? I hope that's not the case. I'm really not looking forward to this at all.
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Yeah it's a real shame that they've dropped Vartann like this. The character description of the FBI guy's a bit of a slap in the face to Vartann. Dom whathisname mentioned that Cath and Vartann's relationship would become deadly and explosive but i'm guessing they've now substituted Vartann for the FBI agent. Looks like FBI is there for 2 eps and Laura character there for 4, i wanted the exit to involve the people she already knows not 2 new characters. I wonder if they'll even mention Vartann or if it'll be like the end of S6 where he just disappeared. Dissappointed about this but if there's a way for TPTB to screw something up and completely miss the mark then they'll do it :rolleyes:
 
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I'm hoping a lot of that is just blown up, for us fans. I can't imagine Catherine sleeping with someone else when we have no resolution between her and Lou.
Even if she break it off with him, why does she have to sleep with the FBI Guy? Makes her look so bad! Not the way we want to remember Cath is it? And what if Lou finds out? So stupid if you ask me. Come on writers, you can do better for Catherine!
 
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"One of the FBI agents winds up in a steamy encounter with the recently demoted CSI, but does that mean the relationship is over for Catherine and Vartann (Alex Carter)? A source close to the show tells CSI Files there’s been no concrete evidence to prove the two were in an exclusive relationship, and when things left off in “The List,” the status of the relationship was undefined. “Perhaps infuriatingly undefined,” the source says, but “Catherine will not be cheating on Vartann.” In the case of Catherine, the show is trying to display that her life is “in flux and she’s searching for something, but she’s not even sure what that might be.” By the time her departure happens, most of those answers will be explained.

Though he hasn’t appeared in any of the episodes to air so far, Vartann will be making a return to the series. Fans can look forward to his return in episode eight, “and he will be in eleven,” the source confirms. Speculation online currently points to a grim ending for Catherine, but that is fortunately not the case. “The door will be open for her to return,” a source teases. “There may be something in the finale, but for now [episode] twelve is definitely her final episode.” And while Catherine may be exiting, Vartann will “continue to be in future episodes.” "

So i guess that leaves it open for Cath and Vartann to get together 'exclusively' (which is what i thought they were up until 'Wild Life'). FBI guy is in eps 9 and 10 and Vartann 8 and 11 so i'm hoping it's Vartann she'll end up with. I'm also hoping we might get a scene with Cath/Lou/Lindsey/Lily but i know i'm setting myself up for disappointment.

Glad to see that Vartann will still be appearing in future episodes after Cath has gone. Episode 8 is the episode where the 3 old cases were apparently solved 'incorrectly' so there are some familiar faces coming back - nice to see TPTB hadn't completely forgotten the existence of detectives :rolleyes:
 
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Have Catherine & Vartann really broken-up for good? I'm just a casual fan of this couple, so maybe I missed something. :confused: I found their supposed "split" last season to be totally rushed & unconvincing. The whole thing seemed sort of hasty, like TPTB were trying to find a way to end their relationship quickly because Marg is leaving the show at the end of this year. As usual, writers in the CSI franchise just couldn't leave a 'ship between 2 cast-members well enough alone. :rolleyes: It's such a shame, since Cath and Lou really had some awesome chemistry! :adore: Oh, well ... I guess another CSI romance bites the dust (SIGH).

By-the-way, I didn't wrap my post in spoiler tags because it's not based on any spoiler info, but rather, on stuff that has already aired on the show. Mods, please feel free to add spoiler tags to my post if if you think differently!
 
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Your post is fine Delquesne since Marg's departure from the show is public knowledge and not considered a spoiler any longer.

Please remember though, when discussing an episode or anything having to do with an episode that has not yet aired, that's when you need the spoiler tags.

Such as...

Actually I do agree with you about their supposed split as well. I think it's quick and conveinant way to portray Cath struggling with something, hence her sleeping with the FBI guy. In my opinion it makes her look bad, or less than professional regardless of her relationship with Vartann.

The initial storyline is very intriguing and I'm all for it.With her digging into her friends past and having the FBI be involved. But the rest of it (her actually having an affair with one of the agents) seems a bit rushed, and unplanned and also in my opinion very OCC for Catherine.

Cath had lots of me in her life. She told Greg all she wanted was a man she could depend on. They gave her one in Lou, and now? Just seems very out of place and very unlike her to suddenly want something different. We'll have to see how it turns out I guess.
 
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Something that has been bugging me a lot about Cath sleeping with the FBI guy is that a lot of people will think she is cheating on Vartann. That is if things stay the way they are right now. There's a possibility that it is made clear that they are not together since Alex is appearing on episode 8 so I hope that's the case. Things were left very unclear between them and I'm sure some fans think they are still together even though others may have concluded they broke up. There's an article in CSI Files were a source says that they were not exclusive and that she will not be cheating, but how many fans will really get to read that article here or anywhere else? There's still going to be a group of people who still thinks they are together, who never heard they are broken up, and who will think she's cheating. I do not appreciate that because it makes my fave character look really bad. This of course if things are not cleared up before *IT* happens.
 
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hiphugger17 said:
Something that has been bugging me a lot about Cath sleeping with the FBI guy is that a lot of people will think she is cheating on Vartann. That is if things stay the way they are right now. There's a possibility that it is made clear that they are not together since Alex is appearing on episode 8 so I hope that's the case. Things were left very unclear between them and I'm sure some fans think they are still together even though others may have concluded they broke up. There's an article in CSI Files were a source says that they were not exclusive and that she will not be cheating, but how many fans will really get to read that article here or anywhere else? There's still going to be a group of people who still thinks they are together, who never heard they are broken up, and who will think she's cheating. I do not appreciate that because it makes my fave character look really bad. This of course if things are not cleared up before *IT* happens.
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TPTB haven't really handle Cath's exit or her relationship with Vartann that well. Up until Wild Life they appeared to be an exclusive couple, Vartann's comment in The List certainly suggested they were no longer exclusive but still together on a casual basis. If it isn't touched upon in episode 8 then i can certainly see a lot of people wondering what happened to Vartann. I've read the comments on the CSI facebook page after episodes have aired and most of them only have a faint grasp of what's going on (on reality as well it seems sometimes). I'd imagine in between the usual 'Bring Grissom back' and 'Wait!.. Warrick's dead?' comments there will be people confused as to why Cath is suddenly jumping into bed with the FBI agent. I don't imagine many pleasant comments coming Cath's way which is a shame considering it's the build up to Marg's exit. Anyway we'll just see how it goes, i'm looking forward to episode 8 and if they do have Cath and Vartann interact i'm hoping they can have a conversation without arguing.
 
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I guess the problem I'm having with this whole storyline of Cath and the FBI guy is that TPTB said there was never any evidence of Catherine and Lou being exclusive. No, they aren't married like Gil and Sara (which is what their version of exclusive is I guess)
So Catherine and Lou have sex. Very hot steamy sex. They discuss moving in together. He concedes to having them live apart but 'enjoy what they have'. She tells him that she never thought it was about them, why she didn't mention her owning the casino.
And lastly, the convo at the end of The List when she comments to Greg as to how many men she wished she could count on, and Lou all of a sudden appears in her doorway and says "you only need one." I mean what was all that about if Catherine and Lou weren't exclusive?

I can see that they want Catherine to be in conflict and she's searching for something in her life. A way out of crime solving or whatever it is leading up to her departure, but I just don't see how sleeping with an FBI guy would do it. Even more so since he's not going to stick around.

What I can see is her feeling still unfufilled after the FBI guy (Grant Show is a lovely choice though) and wants something more with Lou. Sort of like the end of the show Chase where Annie wound up sleeping with Ben Crawly but left the show with Jimmy. Chase by the way, was also a Jerry Bruckheimer production. ;)
 
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I watched the episode and was very unfulfilled by the Cath/Lou scene.

I know we are suppose to believe they are not that serious or something to that effect, but I think it was odd. I mean, they didn't even talk or argue or anything. He just asked her if she was okay and then talked about the case. It seems to me they still care about each other. It's just very unnerving to have them in a wonderful relationship then suddenly, it's not.
 
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ladyhunter said:
I watched the episode and was very unfulfilled by the Cath/Lou scene.

I know we are suppose to believe they are not that serious or something to that effect, but I think it was odd. I mean, they didn't even talk or argue or anything. He just asked her if she was okay and then talked about the case. It seems to me they still care about each other. It's just very unnerving to have them in a wonderful relationship then suddenly, it's not.
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I mentioned in the episode thread how standoffish Cath was with Vartann. It really reminded me of scenes that they had together in earlier seasons where it seemed as though Cath didn't really like Vartann. Brief eye contact and then barely reacting to anything he said.

They are really making it obvious that Vartann wants more in the relationship and Catherine either isn't interested or can't decide. Hopefully they'll have some better scenes in next weeks episode.
 
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Their scene was just sad. I think it was very weird to have Vartann there at all in this episode because he wasn't even the detective and had just the one scene were NOTHING was acknowledged or resolved with Cath. I agree that Cath had a little bit of an attitude with him which I did not appreciate. It's so sad that the writers have decided to go down this route with them.
 
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I didn't like their scene last night either, or at least the tone of it. The writers know good and well that most fans of Cath want her with Vartann. Why they decided that they "weren't exclusive" is beyond me. They apparently don't give a care about what the fans want. They could have Cath take some other kind of job (teaching forensics or something) in Vegas and stay with Vartann. For years fans were all "Cath and Vartann should get together" and then they finally put them together and it was great... but now this? I'm sorry, but I'm very disappointed by this. That's like giving a kid who loves video games a new game system but telling him "oh you can only play it once a year". :sigh:
 
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I miss Vartann being more light-hearted and relaxed, the way they have the Cath/Lou relationship has made everything tense and forced. I don't know whether the writers were hoping for GSR take 2 cos that was never going to happen. They couldn't just leave it with Cath finally being happy, they had to make her depressed to fit in with this new leaving storyline.

The thing that most irks me is the FBI guy, it's just going to create a whole lot more hurt. Considering where the FBI HQ and DC field office are based it makes me wonder whether the writers will combine Cath's job offer in DC with her leaving with the FBI guy. With Vartann appearing after Cath leaves i'm not too sure how that would work were Cath and Lou to reconnect as a couple.

43 minutes doesn't seem like a lot of time to fit in a decent Cath/Lou resolution and everything else that is meant to happen in this 3 story arc. Anyway, considering i didn't think Vartann was going to be in Marg's last ep, Alex being in ep 12 is better than nothing.
 
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First off there are some really nice quotes from Alex about his relationship with Marg which you could really see in last nights ep.

"When I play scenes with Marg, I have nothing but really great chemistry with her. Personally, like when we’re on set, we get along really well and we combine a lot of little nuances into those scenes. Sometimes the scene will ask you to have a conflict, but I can’t really have a lot of conflict with her. [Laughs.] I feel like just maybe kissing her. [Laughs.]"

I wish he'd just kiss her last night lol.

"When you like somebody, everything’s fun."

Makes me wish we'd had the blood moon scene back in Season 4, they'd be married with kids by now :lol:

Back to last nights scenes...i didn't mind that there weren't any fluffy moments, it was just nice to seem them getting along again and there was a playful tone to their second scene. Vartann crumbled under The Look.

We also got a little more about Vartann's background, it would appear that he's either a recovering alcoholic or stopped drinking before he ended up an alcoholic. Part of me was hoping that Vartann would be at the scene at the lake given Vega and Vartann would have worked together for a long time, maybe even a scene of Cath coming to see if Vartann was ok with a friend/colleague turning out to be a dirty cop.

I'd never thought of Vartann being in Vegas for so long so my mind went straight to fanfic of Cath and Vartann meeting 20 years ago when Cath was starting out as a CSI :)

Looking ahead it's going to be along wait till January, there are parts of Alex's interview that make me both hopeful and nervous about how Cath and Vartann will be dealt with.

And finally on a completely shallow level how great did Alex and Marg look in last nights ep :drool: Screencaps
 
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