Re: Season 8 Spoiler Discussion - There's Nothing You Can't Do In New
Lots of catching up to do.
Jeananne Goossen to play Officer Lauren Cooper (formerly Chambers) ....a two episode arc on CSI: NY as Officer Lauren Cooper, described to me as a young rookie police officer who'll work with Danny (Carmine Giovinazzo). While Lauren will initially be a source of annoyance to Danny, she'll win him over in no time. Good thing, because she doesn't have a lot of time as she's only slated to appear in episodes three and four of the new season.
Hm. Two eps. She'll annoy Danny, put him on the hot seat by screwing up, he publically humilates her as a result, something violent and dramatic happens, she more seriously ratchets up teh pressure with his new promotion in hanging teh balance, with motivations unknown; there are no romantic sparks but flares of a different kind, probably wif Lindsay. All wrapped up by the 4th. Yep, sometimes 10% is all ya need :lol:.
Dunno if I dare to hope Messer's stripes will be seen beyond that or not, if they wanna draw out any question of possibly returning to the labs.
I wonder why they changed the rookie's last name from Chambers to Cooper.
HaylenKayeBecallSullivanMacCarlucciTaylor!!! :lol:. Who knows teh reasonz why. The double or nuthin darts round in the writers' room had one land on a new page within Chapter "C" in teh book o names?
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8.04 - "Officer Involved"
~ "Officer Involved" starts things off immediately with Danny waking up on a NYC street next to a dead body. He has blood on his hand and his ankle holster is empty: the gun's missing. Two officers in civilian clothing (Terrence Foley and George Cates) run up to Danny and it appears they're also injured. As Danny starts to stand up with the officers' assistance, he notices Officer Cooper (from episode 8.03) to his side, with his weapon, and claiming to have shot in the guy on the ground in self-defense.
Sounds like they're writing Messer in an interesting way, in the midst of things beyond his control.
Starting to feel a few misgivings the more tidbits are released though. While it mebbe implies some of his Snow Day action hero type stuff, it also kinda sounds like he's written as a bit of a victim and reactive, unable to do much to influence anything that will follow.
Meaning. I'm wondering how much he'll actually get to do amid the fallout, whereas it sounds like there could be a lot for others to do around him with the investigation, that he might not be able to participate in.
I just don't want him to sit on the sidelines with only DL stuff to do, after the street scenes have set up the story. Hopefully he still gets screentime and something to do in dealing with the IA aspect.
Sounds like Officer Cooper could be an interesting role, for such a short stint on the show. Hope so. Would like this to be messy, complicated and not so easily resolved, and to have some sort of lasting impact, even if crammed into a limited span of time.
~ Adam is out in the field processing the scene.
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That is all.
~ There's a D/L scene where Lindsay wants to take Danny out to dinner, but he doesn't quite feel up to it. She pushes the issue...
...well...
Less necessary than confronting Cooper perhaps, but to be expected, really. Ships passing in the night, and one's run aground, how could NY resist :lol:.
He already got injured once, why would they make him get injured again?
To heighten the question of whether or not the promotion and related obligations are indeed worth it?
This storyline, as short lived as it may be, can be interesting if they do it right.
Certainly agree wif dat.
Not so much spoilers, but if you're in the Los Angeles area Central Casting is looking for "beautiful Burlesque dancers" for an upcoming episode. It's a SAG or Non Union gig.
Of course they are, why wouldn't they be? :lol:. Another club/party ep forthcoming forthwith?
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It's funny how some people are almost going to have a heart attack whenever there is a DL scene or let alone a Lindsay scene. And it's just a spoiler nobody knows what would really happen. Seriously, did Lindsay or Anna Belknap steal your lunch money?:lol:
:rommie:. (Meh, 's just sumthin to talk about
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Has she been paying your drinks tab with all that's been pilfered? :lol:
All the same, when near on
every dang spoiler doled out so far relating to the season has featured DL over and above just about everyone else, and moreover seem to suggest that that the first four eps of the upcoming season will give ample and specific focus to DL over and above other characters, when even
Lucy gets mentioned before the rest of the central roster, well, let's just say that I'm not in the least surprised that talk has centred around such matters :lol:.
Given DL is also the only canon relationship, the only full time relationship & romance on a forensic police procedural, it has inevitably become a polarizing element, and so yeah, it will draw all the more attention, and lord knows TPTB certainly take advantage of that
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Additionally, where ever there might even be a hint of material that might dip a toe into Shipping lanes, whether canon or not, strong feelings do tend to follow, pro and con. Or were ya up an' getting a refill thru all the smack/Jo/Stella bruha too, for example, and so missed out on that?
. I wouldn't blame ya, mind you :lol:.
The storyline seems to have the potential to give Danny some individual focus, something that many have hoped for, so I'm also not surprised that there might be frustration anticipated because it could well find itself seconded to relationship stuff instead.
I'm glad we even got mention of a 9/11 ep in the face of it all :lol:
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When we start to be given indication that NY is writing for more than just DL, when others start being mentioned, when NY and media sites chance that spoilers other than romance related teases might generate interest, I'm sure focus of conversation will duly shift :lol:.
*clears throat* Ahem.
What gets me about this site is that it is really, I mean really anti-Lindsay. I mean, seriously. .... Usually I would say that the mod just missed the post about Lindsay or whatever but it happens all the time so...
Anyhoo...I really hope we get spoilers about Flack as well. He needs some love too.
What gets me about this site is that it feels like one of the very few that encourage folk to speak their opinion, whatever it happens to be, and to chat about the differences.
As for Lindsay, I'm "anti" how she's been used within the show over the years, let's say :lol:. For me, she started off well enough, but the manner of writing undertaken, and yeah, some of AB's performances, have combined to mean she's earned her current state of regard all on her own.
I ever retain the open offer for NY/AB to win me over with Lindsay. Hit and miss is all I can say though. Glad to have a forum available to say it in. Also happy to debate with others of differing opinions, usually makes for very interesting convo. Happier to chat than to label, but that's just me
For teh record, Jo got a very mixed reception, and people weren't in the least shy about letting their feelings be known :lol:. Mac gets slammed periodically, Danny's path over the years generates strong feelings, Stella, despite allegations of such, was not universally loved, Sheldon seems to generate mixed response, etc etc. Flack, Adam, and Sid seem to generate less contrast somehow
, but essentially, it seems there's not one character that doesn't have both fans and detractors. I think the site demo also reflects that.
I hope we get spoilers about everyone. Wee tidbits I'm holding onto at the moment are the 9/11 ep, that Sid gets a flashback, and the implication that each of them will, Danny in a position of responsibility, Adam outside the labs, Mac getting closure and new evolution; ie. stuff what sounds different from teh norm.
I hope we'll get hints of other storylines coming up soon. I hope they think we'd be bloody well interested in hearing of them
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I also hope we get some spoilers for Flack in upcoming episodes. Hawkes, too.
And Jo, pwettieee pweease...
Yes plz.
Having taken a glance at the spoilers, including some that vegaslights presumably hadn't seen when he posted about the episode last night, here's another version:8.04 "Officer Involved":
~ The episode seems to pick up where episode 8.03 left off.
Continuity, two eps in a row, awesome :lol:
Two of Danny's other rookies, Officer Cates and Officer Foley, tell him what happened: a couple of guys started a fight, and they hit Danny over the head with a bottle. One of the guys pulled a gun and shot at Lauren, and she took Danny's gun and fired back. She killed the man in self-defense
Rather interesting to see that Danny seems to have a squad filled to brimming with rookies. *shrug* Makes the hot seat hotter, I suppose.
~It looks like Lauren, Cates and Foley are hiding something, and the CSIs need to figure out exactly what happened because Danny was unconscious during the shooting. The search for the gun gets more urgent when it is used to kill someone.
...a squad full of !Conspiring rookies, no less :lol:.
Sounds like a very good ep though.
Later in the episode, Lindsay confronts Lauren about whatever she's hiding, pointing out that Danny's career could be ruined.
Ah. So this would be the Flares of a Different Kind, I presume.
I'm betting she won't confront any of the other conspiring squad members, just the most gorgeous of them.
I hope it turns out that Cooper is a super solid and interesting character, and well written and well played. The whole mystery increasingly sounds like it'll pivot on her, and therefore to a certain extent, Danny's Sgt arc.
As for the interpersonal/character angle, hope it's about Danny and his career and Cooper's similarly imperiled career, and not about self-righteousness from any involved.
Oh, of course Lindsay has to rush to Danny's rescue because Danny is too weak and ineffectual to look out for himself. And I'm sure that scene won't read like jealous, territorial clit-jousting at ALL.
Lol.
All I'm really hoping for is that Danny's role in this isn't written overly passive.
This has vague unsettling echoes of the Shane Casey stalking arc, in that it first seemed to be centered around Danny but became a Lindsay arc. Hope this one doesn't end similarly.
My question was aimed that those that were implying that Lindsay would be impeding an investigation by talking to Officer Cooper. What I was trying to figure out was if Lindsay was swapped for Flack would those people be just as critical and accuse him of impeding an investigation?
I'm not sure anyone just talking to Cooper would be impeding an investigation. I also got the impression that "the CSIs," as one spoiler bit called them, were the ones investigating the assault & shootings, wherein they'd certainly talk to Cooper as well as IA.
That Lindsay is married to the guy the incident surrounds might seem to preclude her from participating in the investigation, however, whereas Flack or any of the others would not have that conflict of interest implied. Don't know if her confrontation is undertaken in personal or professional capacity, but I'm betting it's personal.
As for swapping. It kinda seems to me that if Flack, for example, were the one confronting Cooper, it might be read foremost as a cop drama, with the Job and case being the focus. It might be about what happened. It might be about Cooper having to decide what she wants her future to be, not just Messer's.
That NY has written Lindsay to be the one to approach her seems to further the notion this promotion and squad drama is indeed a DL arc. Suggests that it's not really about Cooper. That it's not really about what it's like to be a rookie or a sergeant. That it's not about the Job. That it's not even about what they're hiding. That what happened is not really the point. It sounds like it's about jeopardizing the promotion Danny undertook in consideration for the future of his family. It sounds like either vindicating him or knocking him back down a peg or both. It sounds like part and parcel of an arc that NY has written to create relationship drama above all.
Two-fer-one coasting. It would have been fair game to write any team member tapping Cooper's shoulder, even if the implication is they cross a line in doing so. But why write anyone else in. DL are already conjoined, after all
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This was tweeted three hours ago.
@ csi ny filming 9/11 memorial scene w real familes of people involved
Source: http://twitter.com/ericlommel
Would make for a very charged atmosphere, no doubt. Nice that NY are involving them
. I'm liking what's been described of the show's overall approach to this.
From Gary's twitter:
"Hey folks. Shooting in Coney Island."
Thanks for reposting. Nice pic
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Also love that they went to NYC to film for this one in particular.
From E! Online
Tricia: In the season premiere are we going to see where all the CSI: New York team was on 9/11?
Executive producer Pam Veasey tells us: "We wanted to make it not a memory show but a tribute show, but we wanted to reflect what people will be saying in September. Where was I? For example, Jo Danville (Sela Ward) wasn't in New York City, but we will see her perspective. Jo was in Washington D.C. so her point of view was from the Pentagon and we have people who worked down on the street, [and] people were in buildings
Well, at least a question about the 9/11 aspect made it thru to being answered
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Looking forward to this one. I'm sure mebbe I said that already :lol:
RhyleeS: How is Danny's new job going to affect his and Lindsay's relationship? #csiny
Danny's (Carmine Giovinazzo) going to learn a valuable lesson as Sergeant: Not all teams are as loyal and close knit as our beloved crime lab crew. Luckily Lindsay (Anna Belknap) will have her husband's back when his career is at risk. Awwwww.
Information we already knew, but I thought I should post it anyways.
...Hey. Just curious here. And I know it's early days yet. But. Any DL spoilers come out yet? Has anyone heard anything about Danny and Lindsay's relationship? Lucy? Do they have a dog yet? What about a pet hamster? Did they have salad on Tuesday? Any news released? Anyone. ...Anyone? ...Anything at all? ...HelloOOoOo?
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What this seems to confirm is
Faylinn's theory that there are No Good Cops outside teh Team
. Conspiring Screw Up Rookies are Not to be Trusted.
Support, well an' good I suppose, but I'm not liking the sinking pit in my stomach that Lindsay somehow saves the situation and right wrongs yada.
Not bloody keen. Where teh hell is Messer in all this??? Besides trying to beg off dinner?
Plz to tell me this isn't really gonna turn into another Lindsay-centric resolution like the Casey arc turned out to be?
Noo0oOO0o :shifty:
hmmm, I read it as she'll have his back when he and the rookies he's in charge of get into trouble... but why do I get the feeling that she'll simply come across as flatly indignant and "how dare you!"
Well, in a way I might be happy if that's
all it is... :lol:. So long as Danny doesn't need saving cos he can't save hisowndangself
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As for the premiere, yeah, I can see the ep going either way about him ID'ing Claire, but I'm curious why he's back at the lab if he doesn't... spending a few months at the DNA lab without anything to "show" for it makes for a very weak storyline.
Identifying Claire was something I hadn't considered too much. It's something I'd rather hoped would be left undetermined, if that makes sense; I tend to agree with
talkingtocactus here.
I guess the framework I've mulled in my head is that Mac took a temporary leave to pursue a project for the tenth anniversary, wanted to contribute more directly than his NYPD position would permit; that any solace and closure he finds in doing so are found more internally, not from having anything to "show" for the time devoted, or any one catalyst discovery.
Still also wondering about this tech (Hannah, was it?) and how she'll be used in prodding him for revelations, etc.
I actually think him identifying someone other than Claire and bringing the family the news, and that being what brings him a final measure of peace, would be incredibly touching and far more appropriate and sad than like talkingtocactus said, a convenient hollywood ending.
That sort of thing could work, and would be something I'd find acceptable. That could be very moving.
I guess it ultimately comes down to that I implicitly trust GS (considering how personal 9/11 is to him) to make whatever they're doing the most appropriate, respectful and incredible as it can be.
Agree.
