Grade 'Point of No Return'

[Ceindreadh]

Just one question though... Where in the world do people get cell phones that ring for so long!?!? I swear those things ring FOREVER! I need a phone like that, badly.

Most phones let you set how long you want the phone to ring for before it goes to voicemail or rejects the call.

As much as I enjoy seeing Stella and Angell in this side story I'd be remiss if I said I wasn't wondering about the safety, and legalities involved in trapping someone in a shipping crate and mailing them to The Republic of Cyprus. I wonder what kind of legislation is on the books for such a situation.

There's plenty of legislation on the books. It's called kidnapping and it's a felony. You could probably add a count of reckless endangerment to it as well, because they've put the guys life at risk (what if they miscalculated the amount of food/water he'd need? what if the ship sinks/runs aground and the container is abandoned, because as far as anyone knows it's empty?). Anything happens to the guy, Stella and Angell would be looking at a felony murder rap.

The whole scenario is just so implausibly ridiculous, it's almost laughable. Unfortunately, TPTB clearly intended for us to take it seriously. The idea that two sworn officers of the law would take it into their own hands like that? This isn't The Wire. The CSI's are supposed to be the good guys.
Colour me unimpressed and voting F

edited to add
I'm not sure which pisses me off more. The fact that Stella was willing to break the law to coerce information out of the guy, or the fact that having threatened him with kidnapping in order to get the information, she then locked him up anyway, even after he spilled his guts. She's a CSI, a sworn officer of the law, and yet she's showing herself to be no more trustworthy than the guy she's after kidnapping. I expected better.

 

[_Hush_]

I liked the episodes for various reasons already mentioned here, but I'm having a few thoughts with the Stella/Angell story. Stella used a heartmeter as a lie detector. Since when is that reliable? If she would've asked me where Diakos was or I'd be shipped off in a container to Cyprus with only limited food supply, hell, my heart rate would've gone up wether I knew where he was or not. Lie detectors consist of a heartmeter, a meter that monitors your breathing rate and vioce stress analysis, and even then still aren't accurate in the least.

Not to mention, they're locking up a man for god knows how many days, in a closed container, with absolutely no light for a journey that can vary from 2 weeks to over a month. Containers can get really hot under direct sunlight, so there's a chance he can suffocate. How is that not a criminal offence?

A lot of what I've read here was how kick ass Stella and Angell were (and they were up to a certain point, I'll admit to that), but there's no way she can get out of this without serious repercussions.

 

[Half]

It might not be a very good defense, but in regards to the shipping container to Cyprus... didn't Stella contact the Greek government about it? I mean, they obviously thought it was a good idea. Maybe they just wanted Kolovos, but you'd think that if it was a completely stupid idea, the Greeks would've come up with a better plan. Who knows... are there express shipping routes?

 

[roximonoxide]

^ There's a lot about that situation that was a potential health risk for the guy they mailed to Cyprus.... but he had light.. at least for a while. They had a lantern in there next to the food and water and blankets.

I'm not suggesting that it's impossible that' he'd survive that journey. Human traffickers have stuffed illegal immigrants into shipping crates with much less to survive on, but it's still a pretty ridiculous situation.

 

[_Hush_]

It might not be a very good defense, but in regards to the shipping container to Cyprus... didn't Stella contact the Greek government about it?

Cyprus isn't a Greek island. It's a country on its own, with their own government and their own police system. She should've contacted them instead of the Greeks.

 

[OldGuise]

Well, I finally got the time to watch the episode today.

• Marty's return. I really liked him, so to see him back was nice, even if it was swiftly revealed that he was a changed man. Jonah Lotan did a fantastic job, especially with his facial expression and body language, although Marty's drug lab made the entire situation seem impossible. It also made me feel like I was watching a bad slasher flick...

• Sid's inability to perform the autopsy on Annabel made me tear up. I was really expecting a manhug from Sheldon, but unfortunately didn't get one. Still, Robert Joy was also amazing; we haven't gotten to see many (any?) very emotional scenes with Sid, so I was quite pleased. At the end, again, I teared up and expected a manhug, but I thought his quiet exit was good. I'm still wondering why/how he was there, though.

• It was nice to see a glimpse of the old Danny, but I was a little disappointed by the lack of retribution there. I was expecting Flack and Mac to tear him a new one (or maybe two), but no. I know I would have, after I was done having a worry-induced heart attack.

• The conversation with Lindsay was telling. I don't see fluffy puppies in their future, and their exchange made me think about how he set aside his ring. I see a lot of symbolism in its being covered in blood, in his taking it off so quickly, in his leaving it on the sink... Also, the fact that he struggled to control his voice (which Lindsay seemed not to notice), and the obvious lie he told, show me that they're still horrible at communicating.

• I just wondered if Danny and Lindsay have matching wedding bands. That thing is so ugly, I doubt even the rough-and-tumble-CSI-girl-from-Montana would wear it.

• Wow. This whole Greek storyline is becoming increasingly implausible, and it didn't even begin very believably. Both Angell and Stella are coming across as careless. The instant I saw food and water in the container, I knew what might happen, but I didn't expect it to actually happen. I can't think of words that can describe exactly how stupid that was.

• I firmly believe that Mac knows Stella is up to something. He seemed to be waiting for her to say something - anything - and she almost did. When she left his office, his smile began to fall.



I had other, less important things to say, but I'm going to be late for work.

 

[Half]

It might not be a very good defense, but in regards to the shipping container to Cyprus... didn't Stella contact the Greek government about it?

Cyprus isn't a Greek island. It's a country on its own, with their own government and their own police system. She should've contacted them instead of the Greeks.

It's not? :wtf: Then what the heck were they... I don't... what... oh forget it.

• I just wondered if Danny and Lindsay have matching wedding bands. That thing is so ugly, I doubt even the rough-and-tumble-CSI-girl-from-Montana would wear it.

*laughs* Yeah, I screencapped that for a motivator, and my only thought was "I think my friend has a ring like that. Granted, he's sixteen and it's not a wedding ring." :lol:

• Wow. This whole Greek storyline is becoming increasingly implausible, and it didn't even begin very believably. Both Angell and Stella are coming across as careless. The instant I saw food and water in the container, I knew what might happen, but I didn't expect it to actually happen. I can't think of words that can describe exactly how stupid that was.

I agree. And the sad thing is that we know that Angell and Stella aren't careless. It almost seems like TPTB were rushing to end that part of the storyline as quickly as possible so that they could continue with this new partners aspect. I really can't picture the two of them being this careless... especially Angell, really. Stella at least has the personal revenge aspect. Angell just seems to be going along with it, which is kind of stupid on the part of TPTB, since it doesn't seem in character.

 

[FlackFan01]

Overall, good ep.

Ok, enough of this "no Adam" crap. Seriously.

OK, poor Sid. What, no man-hugs? That man needed a man-hug.

Oh, I remember Marty now....I think we have had a LOT of those AHA moments after last night!

Ashlee and Pete were OK. She was better than he was. Then again, she was an actress before becoming a singer.

Ewww on the bodies. Really ewww. Poor Sid. He didn't know, yet he feels responsible. I love Sid, Sid loves Mac. OK, time for man-hugs.

Poor Sheldon. He's upset, too.

Wait, where's Adam? He shoulda been the lab rat figuring this all out.

Oooh, Stella. You are being bad, Girl. Knock it off.....

Angell, Darling. You be careful.

Wait, still no Adam?

Poor Sid (did I mention that I feel bad for Sid?).

Poor Hawkes.

Damn, still no Adam.

Convenient. Danny's phone rings just as he is realizing what coulda happened.

Where's Adam to give Danny a hug?

Ok, we NEED man-hugs.

Overall, I liked it. Not sure I like where Stella is going, but....she's Stella.

Can't wait for next week!

 

[~Sarah~]

It might not be a very good defense, but in regards to the shipping container to Cyprus... didn't Stella contact the Greek government about it? I mean, they obviously thought it was a good idea. Maybe they just wanted Kolovos, but you'd think that if it was a completely stupid idea, the Greeks would've come up with a better plan. Who knows... are there express shipping routes?

I don't think she contacted the Greek government, it sounded like she said "He's all yours" implying that someone from the Cyprus government was aware that he was going to be loaded on a ship so that they could arrest him.

 

[~Sarah~]

It might not be a very good defense, but in regards to the shipping container to Cyprus... didn't Stella contact the Greek government about it?

Cyprus isn't a Greek island. It's a country on its own, with their own government and their own police system. She should've contacted them instead of the Greeks.

It's not? :wtf: Then what the heck were they... I don't... what... oh forget it.

Yeah, it is its own country, I believe before they were a country they were a British colony and are now part of the commonwealth. Although I think they do speak Greek there.

 

[roximonoxide]

Cyprus isn't a Greek island. It's a country on its own, with their own government and their own police system. She should've contacted them instead of the Greeks.

It's not? :wtf: Then what the heck were they... I don't... what... oh forget it.

Yeah, it is its own country, I believe before they were a country they were a British colony and are now part of the commonwealth. Although I think they do speak Greek there.

Because it's such a small island, and early on this would make it very susceptible to invasion like a lot of other isles in the area, the Republic of Cyprus has changed administration a lot and being a British Colony is just a small part of it's coming to be, considering just how old it's history runs.

Achaean Greeks settled there around 2000 BC, the Phoenicians settled it around 800 BC, Alexander laid claim to it during his reign. It's seen Hellenistic administration and belonged to the Roman Empire, Constantine has taken it making it a part of Byzantium. King Richard took possession of it as well as the Ottoman Empire. Quite literally, it has been marked by nearly every major political and social change that has ever effected antiquity and ancient history. Which I suppose is what helped the writers choose it when thinking of countries rich with valuable historic artifacts to be tampered with and smuggled.

 

[Poppet]

The island of Cyprus is divided into two, well kinda three. There is an area in the North of the island that is owned by Turkey, the south of the island is the country of Cyprus and then there is akind of no mans land separating the two areas - to say they don't get on is an understatement.

 

[Half]

I still want subtitles... I'm pretty sure there was at least a few words of Greek.

Oh, I went back and re-watched that scene, and they said the Cyprus government was contacted. I just assumed that Cyprus was a part of Greece, since that's what's been talked about pretty much through this entire storyline. My bad.

Speaking of the "He's all yours", wasn't she speaking into a radio? Either she was talking to the loading operator, or that's a damn long-distance radio...

 

[FlackFan01]

Speaking of the "He's all yours", wasn't she speaking into a radio? Either she was talking to the loading operator, or that's a damn long-distance radio...

I assumed she was talking to the loading operator, since right after she said that, the cool picker-upper device was used to picker-upper that shipping container with Kolovos in it!

 

[Ghawazee]

Correct me but in the Cost of Living we were told the stolen sartifacts came from Cyprus. Diakos and Koslovos were Greek which it means not inmunity for them in Cyprus where they commited a felony

And we have the chance to know more about Cyprus and Greece because we have People from both places in Talk CSI

Debbs